[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .[/quote]
Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.
[quote]forlife wrote:
It seems then that your criticism is exclusive to gay men, but you have no issue with lesbians. It’s not homosexuality that you’re criticizing, but irresponsible sexual behavior.
It’s easy to make a “pact of silence” when society de facto accepts your sexuality, and grants you all the rights and privileges accordingly. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case yet with gay rights. I don’t march in Pride parades, but I do believe in educating people and advocating equality.[/quote]
I have no criticism as I have no “dog in this fight”. My observations are relative to the topic of higher HIV transmission rates among gay men and why. Lesbians do not spread HIV. Lesbians are therefore not part of the discussion although apparently you’d like to include them so you can entertain your tortured logic. Yes, I am criticizing homosexuality for the reasons already outlined. It is not natural, especially among men, and is not subject to any natural behavior, as I outlined previously and illustrated by my break downstairs.
What rights and privileges do you believe you’re entitled to? You have the right to tear into whatever rectum you desire, in the privacy of your own home. What more do you desire? Oh, you want benefits and healthcare? Hmmm. You want marriage? Hmmm. Why should I finance the gay lifestyle and all the health risks inherent with that? Marriage is contemplated between man and woman, in anticipation (usually) of a family unit consisting of children - not two men engaged in an “alternative” lifestyle.
You have the right to engage in that lifestyle should you choose, but you do not have the right to shove what is undeniably “alternative” down the throats of the majority and natural hetero population. When you engage in conduct that is outside the norm, you cannot expect to be “accepted” - the best you can hope for is that you’re “tolerated” and tolerated your group is. Stop acting as if your behavior is mainstream, normal, natural and that you are some new minority fighting for rights. You have all the same rights I do, except when you want to marry another man. Too bad.
You’re equal to any other man, until you want to marry another man. Get over it.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .
Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.[/quote]
Aaaahh, I see, you’re a bottom.
“Natural” in the sense that it occurs? You’re trying to rely upon technicalities when you damn well understand what I’m saying. If something ocurs in nature, well of course it’s “natural”. There are always outliers in any organism and all manner of feak occurrence; two heads, extra digits, missing limbs - shall I continue? Just because nature “permitted” it, doesn’t mean it will survive. Following your reasoning, homosexuality is indeed “natural”, but as “natural” as murder, incest, bestiality, child abuse, and all manner of other “natural” deviant behavior. Yeah, good argument!
If you were gay, do you think you would feel the same way? Would people calling you “unnatural” make any difference in who you love and commit to spending your life with? Would you be satisfied being treated as a second class citizen because people found your sexuality “disgusting”?
[quote]forlife wrote:
If you were gay, do you think you would feel the same way? Would people calling you “unnatural” make any difference in who you love and commit to spending your life with? Would you be satisfied being treated as a second class citizen because people found your sexuality “disgusting”?[/quote]
You’re missing my point. But to answer your question, you love who you love. Nothing would make a difference to me. Second class citizen? Hmmm. I’m not sure I agree. Why are you a second class citizen? Because you cannot marry another male? Because your “alternative” lifestyle is not mainstream?
I’m not sure how I feel about gay marriage. I haven’t thought it thru. I’m assuming this is what we’re talking about. I think you can probably marry whoever the hell you choose as far as I’m concerned. I’m not sure what “rights” that act confers to you because you can assign property rights and such as you deem fit. As it concerns gay couples getting benefits, I’m not sure I support that. As I said, I’m not sure I want to partially fund any benefits to a group of people who engage in a risky lifestyle. I would love to see some heath statistics relative to gays.
That said, I’m not sure the lack of the above renders you a second class citizen. You’ll never be the majority so why are you so unhappy with being the minority that you are? What are we supposed to do, openly embrace something that is an outlier of human behavior? We’re not permitted under law to discriminate against you; what more do you ask?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was just outside in the courtyard of our building, taking a break. And something occurred that probably occurs hundreds of times each week. A nice looking woman walked by, sat down, our eyes met, and there was a slight smile. Now, if she said, hi, my name is _______ , why don’t you follow me over to the parking garage stairwell for a quickie, I’d probably comply - albeit with some suspicion - but I’m making a point.
Now, if I’m a gay male, another gay males approaches, sits, eyes meet, smile, etc. - a few moments later we’re both walking over to the parking garage and my only worry is getting back to work on time and not getting caught in the act.
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. I’m sure murder, incest, bestiality and all manner of perversities were around since the dawn of man - there truly is nothing new within the spectrum of human behavior, but it don’t make it natural, moral or acceptable.
I think heteros and homos should make a pact. We heteros will continue to keep our sexuality private and we ask that you do the same. Is that such a hard thing to ask? …When I’m King of the World, the next time the heteros throw their hetero-day parade, I’ll issue the permit for your gay parade. The foregoing logic is not limited to homosexuality, lest you think you’re being singled out.[/quote]
I like it how effortless natural, moral and acceptable become synonyms.
That this is part of an Internet post is an additional nice touch.
I’m just wondering how you would feel if you were actually gay. I realize it’s hard to relate, but try looking at it from my perspective. My partner and I have been together for two years, and have done all the paperwork currently allowed under Texas law. However, I’m not able to be covered under his health insurance despite losing my job a couple weeks ago. We still have to file our taxes as if we were single. If he were to die, I wouldn’t have survivorship benefits. It’s not just a political issue for us, these are real concerns that have consequences for our lives.
This book is very old news. It’s very clear that anal sex is most conducive to transmitting HIV/AIDS. It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.
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It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.[/quote]
Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.
If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.
I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.
Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.
If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.
I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs. [/quote]
Why don’t you take a look at the continent of Africa?!? In most African countries homosexuality is not even recognized and is completely underground. Meanwhile in some places half the population contracts the disease from unprotected heterosexual sex. That’s a pretty obvious point…
And don’t be ridiculous, no doctor in his right fucking mind will tell you that " so you say you’ve had unprotected sex with hundreds of women… you’ve got nothing to worry about". You know why your friends didn’t get HIV? Because they were probably white, educated, and of a relatively high socioeconomic status. Take away those factors and your chances of getting HIV go WAY up.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .
Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.
Aaaahh, I see, you’re a bottom.
“Natural” in the sense that it occurs? You’re trying to rely upon technicalities when you damn well understand what I’m saying. If something ocurs in nature, well of course it’s “natural”. There are always outliers in any organism and all manner of feak occurrence; two heads, extra digits, missing limbs - shall I continue? Just because nature “permitted” it, doesn’t mean it will survive. Following your reasoning, homosexuality is indeed “natural”, but as “natural” as murder, incest, bestiality, child abuse, and all manner of other “natural” deviant behavior. Yeah, good argument![/quote]
When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.
Homosexuality is not a crime. Crimes can be reduced and mitigated in severity while Homosexuality is natural and consistent. You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.
Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.
If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.
I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs.
Why don’t you take a look at the continent of Africa?!? In most African countries homosexuality is not even recognized and is completely underground.
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Ready for the contradiction?
There it is. It’s interesting to watch these mental gymnastics.
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Because they were probably white, educated, and of a relatively high socioeconomic status. [/quote]
False, false, and false.
[quote]orion wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was just outside in the courtyard of our building, taking a break. And something occurred that probably occurs hundreds of times each week. A nice looking woman walked by, sat down, our eyes met, and there was a slight smile. Now, if she said, hi, my name is _______ , why don’t you follow me over to the parking garage stairwell for a quickie, I’d probably comply - albeit with some suspicion - but I’m making a point.
Now, if I’m a gay male, another gay males approaches, sits, eyes meet, smile, etc. - a few moments later we’re both walking over to the parking garage and my only worry is getting back to work on time and not getting caught in the act.
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. I’m sure murder, incest, bestiality and all manner of perversities were around since the dawn of man - there truly is nothing new within the spectrum of human behavior, but it don’t make it natural, moral or acceptable.
I think heteros and homos should make a pact. We heteros will continue to keep our sexuality private and we ask that you do the same. Is that such a hard thing to ask? …When I’m King of the World, the next time the heteros throw their hetero-day parade, I’ll issue the permit for your gay parade. The foregoing logic is not limited to homosexuality, lest you think you’re being singled out.
I like it how effortless natural, moral and acceptable become synonyms.
That this is part of an Internet post is an additional nice touch.
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I also like how how we live in a sitcom where every woman is chaste and every man has absolutely zero self-control.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .
Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.[/quote]
But you have to keep in mind that their views are influenced by political correctness. Like my previous post about the airport security guard, the young arab males, and the old white couple. Everyone knows young arab males are the cause of most suicide bombings and not old white couples.
But if the airport security guard was to randomly search the young arab males and not randomly search old white couples, he would be accused of racism and being a bigot and may very well lose his job. Yet we all know that a 70 year old white couple aint about to blow shit up!
Its the same with the medical community, they could be risking their careers and the way they make their living if the spoke the non politically correct truth about homosexuality!
The same system that made the airport security guard randomly search the old white couple in order not to be labled a racist, even though he knows theyre not a threat to anyone, is the same system that keeps the medical community from saying the truth on homosexuality.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
It’s equally clear that HIV/AIDS is readily transmitted among heterosexual partners who engage in unprotected vaginal sex.
Proof? Give at least some of your own anecdotal evidence. I have friends who’ve slept with hundreds of women unprotected. Whenever they’ve walked into the clinic to get tested for HIV, they’re told they don’t have anything to worry about unless they’ve slept with other men. Their tests have all come back negative.
If “readily transmitted” means “prostitutes readily transmit,” I might agree, but the fact is that we’d have seen heterosexuals contracting this disease at a significant rate in this country if your assertion is true.
I remember public health authorities trying to scare us with this back in the 90s when I was in sex ed in junior high. 20 years later, where’s the proof? It’s all in the heads of the “equal outcome” libs.
Why don’t you take a look at the continent of Africa?!? In most African countries homosexuality is not even recognized and is completely underground.
Ready for the contradiction?
Meanwhile in some places half the population contracts the disease from unprotected heterosexual sex. That’s a pretty obvious point…
There it is. It’s interesting to watch these mental gymnastics.
Because they were probably white, educated, and of a relatively high socioeconomic status.
False, false, and false.
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I know your wrong, because I know people that help aids orphans in Africa (that is children of heterosexual parents who have died of aids). I plan to do it myself one day. What mental gymnastics do you speak of?
And actually I’m right, right, right. I can support that fact with referenced sociological data, while all you can do is sputter.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. . .
Sociologists, psychologists, and members of the medical community will disagree with that statement 100%.
Aaaahh, I see, you’re a bottom.
“Natural” in the sense that it occurs? You’re trying to rely upon technicalities when you damn well understand what I’m saying. If something ocurs in nature, well of course it’s “natural”. There are always outliers in any organism and all manner of feak occurrence; two heads, extra digits, missing limbs - shall I continue? Just because nature “permitted” it, doesn’t mean it will survive. Following your reasoning, homosexuality is indeed “natural”, but as “natural” as murder, incest, bestiality, child abuse, and all manner of other “natural” deviant behavior. Yeah, good argument!
When I was 7 years old I went to summer camp for the first time. At this camp i hiked, looked at wildlife, and experienced the outdoors in a lot of new ways. One day I found a wildly colored caterpillar covered in spines marching on top of a leaf. “Poison” I said, and smashed it under a rock. I thought I had done something good, because the caterpillar wasn’t natural or good in my eye. But my counselor told me that what I did was wrong, because even Caterpillars exist for a reason.
Homosexuality is not a crime. Crimes can be reduced and mitigated in severity while Homosexuality is natural and consistent. You can’t tell a gay person to stop being gay, or smash them under a rock, so let them march along in there own life and just live yours. [/quote]
Yeah, that was cute…and a bit dramatic. No one wants to smash them under a rock but at the same time, I don’t want to suffer deviant behavior under the guise that it is “natural” - on the sole basis that it merely occurs, therefore it’s “natural”. You and other gays can do what they want in the privacy of your own home - just don’t expect my support for marriage, benefits or child rearing.
By the way, did you get turned out on the camping trip by an older camp counselor? I"m just wondering.
[quote]TBT4ver wrote:
orion wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
I was just outside in the courtyard of our building, taking a break. And something occurred that probably occurs hundreds of times each week. A nice looking woman walked by, sat down, our eyes met, and there was a slight smile. Now, if she said, hi, my name is _______ , why don’t you follow me over to the parking garage stairwell for a quickie, I’d probably comply - albeit with some suspicion - but I’m making a point.
Now, if I’m a gay male, another gay males approaches, sits, eyes meet, smile, etc. - a few moments later we’re both walking over to the parking garage and my only worry is getting back to work on time and not getting caught in the act.
Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. I’m sure murder, incest, bestiality and all manner of perversities were around since the dawn of man - there truly is nothing new within the spectrum of human behavior, but it don’t make it natural, moral or acceptable.
I think heteros and homos should make a pact. We heteros will continue to keep our sexuality private and we ask that you do the same. Is that such a hard thing to ask? …When I’m King of the World, the next time the heteros throw their hetero-day parade, I’ll issue the permit for your gay parade. The foregoing logic is not limited to homosexuality, lest you think you’re being singled out.
I like it how effortless natural, moral and acceptable become synonyms.
That this is part of an Internet post is an additional nice touch.
I also like how how we live in a sitcom where every woman is chaste and every man has absolutely zero self-control.
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I’m talking and comparing generalities which obviously flew over your head at about 20,000 feet cruising altitude. Thanks for nitting up the post. Nit.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I’m just wondering how you would feel if you were actually gay. I realize it’s hard to relate, but try looking at it from my perspective. My partner and I have been together for two years, and have done all the paperwork currently allowed under Texas law. However, I’m not able to be covered under his health insurance despite losing my job a couple weeks ago. We still have to file our taxes as if we were single. If he were to die, I wouldn’t have survivorship benefits. It’s not just a political issue for us, these are real concerns that have consequences for our lives.[/quote]
Can I be honest with you? I’m going to be anyway…
I really don’t care about your perspective. You engage in an alternative lifestyle and you should not expect the benefits and entitlements given to the mainstream. I mean, where does it end? Which deviant behavior do we accept and which do we reject?
Let’s say a group of rabbit fuckers emerges because hey, rabbit pussy is good pussy. Do we accept them? Do we issue permits for thier parades? Or do we protect the rabbits, like we protect society from the burden of having to finance your risky lifestyle or, like we protect children from coming under your joint care? Too bad you lost your job - seriously.
But I have no sympathy for your not being able to leach off your “partner’s” benefits. If he wants to leave you property that’s fine - hell people leave significant sums to animals. But now you’re talking pooled money by all those that participate in SS. Not on my watch.