Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike

Sure it was. Blame me - I had hopes, just this once to reach someone with facts and reason. The last page or so showed me once again not to expect that.

I think I’ve had enough. Let the morons win. If they’re on the web at least they can’t burn books or people.

I guess that’s good bye.

Signing off.

Makkun

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Jesus fuck man, take some midol. I didn’t say you were a homophobe. If I wanted to insult you I’d say something about you being British. I was just trying to understand why it mattered whether someone with AIDS got it because they were gay or straight. Up until you pointed out why it mattered, I thought everyone was simply gay bashing. Apparently you guys were not – as you pointed out. I learned something. I’d thank you for the insight, but apparently you are a hypersensitive douche.

mike

EDIT: Post Retracted.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike

Sure it was. Blame me - I had hopes, just this once to reach someone with facts and reason. The last page or so showed me once again not to expect that.

I think I’ve had enough. Let the morons win. If they’re on the web at least they can’t burn books or people.

I guess that’s good bye.

Signing off.

Makkun

Jesus fuck man, take some midol. I didn’t say you were a homophobe. If I wanted to insult you I’d say something about you being British. I was just trying to understand why it mattered whether someone with AIDS got it because they were gay or straight. Up until you pointed out why it mattered, I thought everyone was simply gay bashing. Apparently you guys were not – as you pointed out. I learned something. I’d thank you for the insight, but apparently you are a hypersensitive douche.

mike[/quote]

Well most people were gay bashing. Somehow I doubt Makkun was in that group though…

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Mick, I think you’re right that in the gay community there is a lot of irresponsible sexual behavior. That’s true in the straight community as well, especially among younger people.

My point was that there are also millions of gays and lesbians who are living normal, responsible lives. People like us aren’t marching in Pride parades, so we are often ignored. I think it is a mistake to look at these fringe groups, and conclude that all gays must be like that.

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15 years ago, more people were in the closet than today. It’s not accurate to take self-reported statistics as an indication of the true population of gays, especially when there are significant cultural/religious pressures not to be honest about your sexuality.

Even if you go with 1.5% though, that means 102 million people are gay.

Honestly, I think the “problem” is with males in general. It’s not that surprising if you think about it. Men have a higher sex drive, and are more willing to take sexual risks than women. People rarely consider lesbians when talking about sexual promiscuity or risky behaviors. The statistics are always limited to gay men.

It’s pretty simple. If you are sexually promiscuous, you are more likely to give/receive STDs. You can be gay or straight without being sexually promiscuous.

The problem is not with sexual orientation, but with sexual promiscuity.

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Dude, if you want to have a respectful discussion let’s do it. If you continue attacking me, I’m not going to waste my time talking with you.

I was referring to the population of gays in the world, not to the population of gays in the U.S.

Again, it’s not just gay men who take chances. Straight men do too. Women, whether lesbian or straight, tend to have more common sense. I think we could learn from them.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

I agree, that’s the one reason why homosexual men constantly take chances…and since they usually want to take them with other men there is no one to say NO. They are over sexed…Sticking you cock up some strange guys ass is not what I’d call “healthy”. This just proves my point that the gay lifestyle is sick and out of control in deed and frequency.

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This has always been my sticking problem with utlimately accepting homosexuality - and I mean accepting it at a philosophical level, because casually, I don’t give a phuck what you do, as long as I’m not subject to it or don’t have to witness it.

Between man and woman, there is a natural “filter” - a woman to put up resistance, to say no, a yin to our yang, estrogen to our testosterone, a usual need for an emotional bond competing against our desire for immediate physical gratification. Among men, no such filter exists. There is only physical lust and no one to say “no”, “stop”, “wait”. You don’t hear about men and women hooking up randomly at a rest stop bathroom or anywhere else for that matter - except in Penthouse letters :slight_smile: Yes, men and women do hookup for one night stands - it happens, we all know this, but not with the frequency and randomness that occurs among gay men. The planets pretty much have to line up for the male/female one night stand; however, between gay men, the sun pretty much just has to rise that morning.

There is simply no one to say “stop” “no” or “don’t” and fellas, I don’t care if you lean left or right, that just aint natural. And if it aint natural, it only makes sense that nature herself is not lifting a finger to protect the behavior - and I think Mother Nature’s very indifference to gays is evidenced by the extraordinary higher transmission rates among gays. Forget religious arguments against homosexuality, Mother Nature herself is being heard on the subject. If homosexuality was “natural”, men could procreate with one another. If the planet was reduced to a gay population, there would be no life after a single generation. Need stronger evidence than that? So what do gays expect when you engage in unnatural behavior? If and when the riddle of HIV/AIDS is solved, I guarantee you something else will come along to plague them and rebuke their disgusting unnatural behavior.

Take this as homophobic if you will, but it’s not. Quite frankly, I don’t give gays much thought - like I said, as long as it doesn’t affect me, go right ahead and knock each other’s rectums out - I could care less.

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By your logic, lesbians are superior and more natural than straight couples, because they have risky sex even less often than straight couples do.

There’s nothing wrong with not being able to relate to homosexuality. If you could relate to it, you would be gay yourself, or at least bisexual. I’ve never been wired to understand heterosexuality, but that’s ok too.

The point is that you can practice safe, responsible sex regardless of your sexual orientation. It’s about responsibility, not about who you find attractive.

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No Mick, you didn’t mention the U.S. until after my comment about there being millions of sexually responsible gays. In fact, my comment was in direct response to your post about the “gay community”. Where in the following post did you limit the “gay community” to the U.S. only? Who is twisting the facts here?

Now if you want to stop calling names and have a mature discussion, I’m all for it.

I’m not trying to put a happy face on the high incidence of STDs among gay men. I think it’s tragic. All people, male or female, gay or straight, would be better off living sexually responsible lives.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
By your logic, lesbians are superior and more natural than straight couples, because they have risky sex even less often than straight couples do.

There’s nothing wrong with not being able to relate to homosexuality. If you could relate to it, you would be gay yourself, or at least bisexual. I’ve never been wired to understand heterosexuality, but that’s ok too.

The point is that you can practice safe, responsible sex regardless of your sexual orientation. It’s about responsibility, not about who you find attractive. [/quote]

LOL didn’t realize you were gay. Gay in Texas, that must be a real bitch.

Anyway, I wasn’t using “logic” - I was stating simple facts. Among men, there is no natural “filter” as I described - none of the social behaviors that were necessary for humanity and survival, just two guys getting off. That’s not logic, it’s a simple fact. You’re attempting to make conclusions about the unnatural behavior and apply them to lesbians. It’s not a failure of my statement, but of YOUR logic. But continuing my analysis, with women, there are two filters at work and thus they avoid those horrendous outcomes that you male gays experience. You don’t hear of gay women hooking up randomly in bathrooms, rest stops, parks, movie theaters, etc. Even if they could, they don’t trade bodily fluids like blood and semen. Their risk are lower sure, but their behavior is also different and there is no denying that.

Please don’t flatter yourself - I have no need to “relate” to homosexuality and neither does any other straight person. Homosexuality is not something anyone needs to “relate” to or “understand” any more than anyone else needs to relate to my heterosexuality. Sexuality should be private - you gays seem preoccupied with making people accept you, instead of keeping your sexuality private where it belongs - at home, not in a public place like a rest stop.

We all understand that anyone can practice safe sex. Unfortunately for you male gays, the majority does not. There is nothing safe about glory holes, anonymous trysting in parks, rest stops, clubs, etc. And there is no denying that HIV transmission is highest in your group and if all the straight people went to Mars, you would all perish in a single lifetime.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
forlife wrote:

I’m not trying to put a happy face on the high incidence of STDs among gay men. I think it’s tragic. All people, male or female, gay or straight, would be better off living sexually responsible lives.

But…THEY DON’T! Instead of hanging around a bb web site trying to promote the gay agenda why don’t you talk to some of your gay brothers and straighten them out (no pun intended).

Personally…I don’t see an end to this epidemic. As long as homosexuality is handled with kid gloves in a politically correct way the truth will be hidden and the spread of HIV and other gay related disease will continue to spread.

There’s no amount of fact twisting from anyone that can solve this.

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I was going to stay quiet, but when i read this provocative statement I thought I’d educate you about a few things.

Firstly, homosexuality is not an attack on straight lifestyles or the general well being of civilization. Wether it is a choice or a genetic predisposition, homosexuality has existed since the dawn of man and is a functional aspect of society. You literally sound as if you wish to exterminate or at least reeducate homosexuals in some way.

Also, which is it: do homosexuals have a large effect on society or are they strictly a minority as was inferred in the 1% statistic. This is a very obvious logical error, because you seem to be saying that homosexuals are causing huge problems like HIV yet they are also a tiny subculture. A fraction of 1% of the population simply can not sustain HIV in the U.S., especially when those people only have sex with each other…

Lastly, you use the word “they” quite frequently as if you believe all homosexuals can be bundled up nicely into one degenerative sack of crap. There are all kinds of homosexuals in America, including ones that refrain from sex, have a steady relationship, or are educated about the dangers of unprotected sex. Perhaps many within the gay community do have issues with safe sex, but these issues can be dealt with by MD’s.

If you can’t accept homosexuality, than just tolerate it. They aren’t out to ruin the world, so get your head straight and think about how issues like HIV can be helped.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:

I was going to stay quiet, but when i read this provocative statement I thought I’d educate you about a few things.

Firstly, homosexuality is not an attack on straight lifestyles or the general well being of civilization. Wether it is a choice or a genetic predisposition, homosexuality has existed since the dawn of man and is a functional aspect of society. You literally sound as if you wish to exterminate or at least reeducate homosexuals in some way.

Also, which is it: do homosexuals have a large effect on society or are they strictly a minority as was inferred in the 1% statistic. This is a very obvious logical error, because you seem to be saying that homosexuals are causing huge problems like HIV yet they are also a tiny subculture. A fraction of 1% of the population simply can not sustain HIV in the U.S., especially when those people only have sex with each other…

Lastly, you use the word “they” quite frequently as if you believe all homosexuals can be bundled up nicely into one degenerative sack of crap. There are all kinds of homosexuals in America, including ones that refrain from sex, have a steady relationship, or are educated about the dangers of unprotected sex. Perhaps many within the gay community do have issues with safe sex, but these issues can be dealt with by MD’s.

If you can’t accept homosexuality, than just tolerate it. They aren’t out to ruin the world, so get your head straight and think about how issues like HIV can be helped.[/quote]

So are you a top or bottom?

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I was just outside in the courtyard of our building, taking a break. And something occurred that probably occurs hundreds of times each week. A nice looking woman walked by, sat down, our eyes met, and there was a slight smile. Now, if she said, hi, my name is _______ , why don’t you follow me over to the parking garage stairwell for a quickie, I’d probably comply - albeit with some suspicion - but I’m making a point.

Now, if I’m a gay male, another gay males approaches, sits, eyes meet, smile, etc. - a few moments later we’re both walking over to the parking garage and my only worry is getting back to work on time and not getting caught in the act.

Just thought I’d share, because I was actually thinking this downstairs. Homosexuality may have been around since the beginning of time, but it aint natural. I’m sure murder, incest, bestiality and all manner of perversities were around since the dawn of man - there truly is nothing new within the spectrum of human behavior, but it don’t make it natural, moral or acceptable.

I think heteros and homos should make a pact. We heteros will continue to keep our sexuality private and we ask that you do the same. Is that such a hard thing to ask? …When I’m King of the World, the next time the heteros throw their hetero-day parade, I’ll issue the permit for your gay parade. The foregoing logic is not limited to homosexuality, lest you think you’re being singled out.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I then immediately mentioned the CDC. Did you think that the CDC facts included the entire world? Ha…okay…[/quote]

You mentioned the CDC after my post. You never limited your comments about the gay community to the U.S. only.

I do talk to my gay friends. Most of them are in monogamous relationships like me, but those that aren’t, I encourage to make smart choices.

Again, there are millions of gays in the world (and hundreds of thousands here in the U.S.) that ARE living healthy, responsible lives in same sex relationships.

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It seems then that your criticism is exclusive to gay men, but you have no issue with lesbians. It’s not homosexuality that you’re criticizing, but irresponsible sexual behavior.

It’s easy to make a “pact of silence” when society de facto accepts your sexuality, and grants you all the rights and privileges accordingly. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case yet with gay rights. I don’t march in Pride parades, but I do believe in educating people and advocating equality.