Myth of Heterosexual AIDS

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
clip11 wrote:
forlife wrote:
It’s not about sexual orientation, it’s about safe sexual behavior. People in a committed monogamous relationship are at zero risk of catching HIV, regardless of whether they are straight or gay.

But that doesnt address the concern of HIV being a primarily gay disease, which is like the pink elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. Did you know that it was once called the gay plague?

When I was at school in the 80s, the kind of jokes that went round were that AIDS stood for Arse Injected Death Sentence.

When Aids and HIV first hit the news, most people talked about it as just a gay issue. The large amount of propeganda about hetrosexual risk was a reaction to the initial view.

Books like the one mentioned are just the pendulum swinging back.

I’m not sure which book you are referring to, but it appears that Michael Fumento’s book was published in 1990.

In other words, around the same time period that Oprah Winfrey was telling her audience, ‘Research studies now project that one in five – listen to me, hard to believe – one in five heterosexuals could be dead from AIDS at the end of the next three years.’

[/quote]

OK, I thought the OP was talking about a new book. The rest of what I posted still stands though.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
I never said heterosexual contact wasnt a risk factor, but dont try to put it on par with homosaexuality as being just as much of a risk factor…thats all Im saying and lying to the public about it. Its just a move to be politically correct and not offend homosexuals.[/quote]

The thread title is the ‘Myth of heterosexual AIDS’ - but let’s not be too detail focused. What I think happened - and I lived through the 80s and saw this unravel - was not that people lied to be politically correct (that PC bullshit came later anyway), but that we just didn’t know better.

And people were really scared - AIDS was a death sentence, and what made people really scared was how very long the infection lay dormant. Coming out of the sexual revolution with condom free pill-enabled shagging about, people were suddenly confronted with a sure death sentence based on their acts up to ten years earlier. Imagine a silly thing you did aged 13 might cost you your life in a very dreadful way suffering terribly for the next 5 years - it wouldn’t be easy not to panic.

As I said earlier, I would argue that the panic and the attempts at safer sex that ensued, saved a lot of lives. Did they overshoot - probably, but just see what happened in countries that didn’t react in that way in sub-saharan Africa. What’s frustrating here is that people are idiots and forget about the dangers - and also that being socio-economically deprived and caught in certain cultural norms doesn’t help with developing risk averse behaviour. Just like Forlife wrote - it’s all about accountability.

[quote]Its like if you were a security officer at an airport and you saw a group of young arab males and an old white couple in their 70s or 80s. To be politically correct, you would have to say “Well that old white couple can commit a suicide bombing just as much as those young arab males, so ill keep just as much of an eye on them.” But realistically, how many suicide bombings have been committed by a 70 or 80 year old white couple? Someone trying to be pc might say “Well 100 years ago an old white couple rode a horse drawn carriage full of dynamite into a saloon, so that proves they are just as capable of doing a suicide bombing.” When in reality, that one isolated incidence means nothing at all.

Its the same with HIV. To be pc, the media wants to make it seem like everyone is at equal risk and that homosexual behavior is no more likely to spread disease, when in fact, its disease infested! HIV is just one of many diseases that plague practicing homosexuals.

And im not saying all arabs are suicide bombers, before someone starts whining about that. I was just trying to make a vivid example we all could picture.[/quote]

I don’t really follow that logic - but I’ve got no problem with what you say as I don’t think it’s distorting the facts too much.

Makkun

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Dammit! Will someone please tell me why any of this matters?

mike[/quote]

When someone dies of AIDS, it matters.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Dammit! Will someone please tell me why any of this matters?

mike

When someone dies of AIDS, it matters.[/quote]

No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike[/quote]

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

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Gay people just don;t want top own up to the fact that they are for the most part very promiscuous and their number of and style of sexual encounters DO INDEED MAKE THEM MORE LIKELY TO GE AIDS.

AIDS is an equal opportunity infection, that’s true, but the gay lifestyle is largely to blame.

Just look at the gay pride parade. What do they parade on and advertise? Sexuality thrown into the open like crazy. They outfits worn are all about fucking. They main image is that of debauchery and sexual promiscuity. Can anyone seriously argue? It’s not a family affair that’s for sure.

Sure there are “some” gay couples in good committed relationships but that is the distant exception.

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  • ORAL SEX: Homosexuals fellate almost all of their sexual :
    : contacts (and ingest semen from about half of these). Semen contains :
    : many of the germs carried in the blood. Because of this, gays who :
    : practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood, with all its :
    : medical risks. Since the penis often has tiny lesions (and often will :
    : have been in unsanitary places such as a rectum), individuals so :
    : involved may become infected with hepatitis A or gonorrhea (and even :
    : HIV and hepatitis B). Since many contacts occur between strangers :
    : (70% of gays estimated that they had had sex only once with over half :
    : of their partners17,27), and gays average somewhere between 10 6 and :
    : 110 5 different partners/year, the potential for infection is :
    : considerable. :
    : :
    : * RECTAL SEX: Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have :
    : engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. :
    : In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,3 gays averaged 110 :
    : sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year. :
    : :
    : Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse the rectum :
    : becomes a mixing bowl for: 1) saliva and its germs and/or an artificial :
    : lubricant, 2) the recipient’s own feces, 3) whatever germs, infections :
    : or substances the penis has on it, and 4) the seminal fluid of the :
    : inserter. Since sperm readily penetrate the rectal wall (which is only :
    : one cell thick) causing immunologic damage, and tearing or bruising of :
    : the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex, these substances :
    : gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual :
    : intercourse (in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina :
    : and no feces are present),7 rectal intercourse is probably the most :
    : sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV syphilis and a host :
    : of other blood-borne diseases. :
    : :
    : Tearing or ripping of the anal wall is especially likely with :
    : “fisting,” where the hand and arm is inserted into the rectum. It is :
    : also common when “toys” are employed (homosexual lingo for objects :
    : which are inserted into the rectum–bottles, carrots, even gerbils8). :
    : The risk of contamination and/or having to wear a colostomy bag from :
    : such “sport” is very real. Fisting was apparently so rare in Kinsey’s :
    : time that he didn’t think to talk about it. By 1977, well over a third :
    : of gays admitted to doing it. The rectum was not designed to :
    : accommodate the fist, and those who do so can find themselves consigned :
    : to diapers for life. :
    : :
    : * FECAL SEX: About 80% of gays (see Table) admit to licking :
    : and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus :
    : ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or :
    : wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,5 :
    : 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity–half regularly over 6 :
    : months. Result? --the “annual incidence of hepatitis A :
    : in…homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men :
    : acquired hepatitis A.” In 1992,26 it was noted that the proportion of :
    : London gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined since 1984. :
    : :
    : While the body has defenses against fecal germs, exposure to the :
    : fecal discharge of dozens of strangers each year is extremely :
    : unhealthy. Ingestion of human waste is the major route of contracting :
    : hepatitis A and the enteric parasites collectively known as the Gay :
    : Bowel Syndrome. Consumption of feces has also been implicated in the :
    : transmission of typhoid fever,9 herpes, and cancer.27 About 10% of :
    : gays have eaten or played with [e.g., enemas, wallowing in] feces. The :
    : San Francisco Department of Public Health saw 75,000 patients per year, :
    : of whom 70 to 80 per cent are homosexual men…An average of 10 per :
    : cent of all patients and asymptomatic contacts reported…because of :
    : positive fecal samples or cultures for amoeba, giardia, and shigella :
    : infections were employed as food handlers in public establishments; :
    : almost 5 per cent of those with hepatitis A were similarly employed."10 :
    : In 1976, a rare airborne scarlet fever broke out among gays and just :
    : missed sweeping through San Francisco.10 The U.S. Centers for Disease :
    : Control reported that 29% of the hepatitis A cases in Denver, 66% in :
    : New York, 50% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal and 26% :
    : in Melbourne in the first six months of 1991 were among gays.11 A 1982 :
    : study "suggested that some transmission from the homosexual group to :
    : the general population may have occurred."12 :
    : :
    : * URINE SEX: About 10% of Kinsey’s gays reported having engaged :
    : in “golden showers” [drinking or being splashed with urine]. In the :
    : largest survey of gays ever conducted,13 23% admitted to urine-sex. In :
    : the largest random survey of gays,6 29% reported urine-sex. In a San :
    : Francisco study of 655 gays,14 only 24% claimed to have been monogamous :
    : in the past year. Of these monogamous gays, 5% drank urine, 7% :
    : practiced “fisting,” 33% ingested feces via anal/oral contact, 53% :
    : swallowed semen, and 59% received semen in their rectum during the :
    : previous month. :
    :
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The typical sexual practices of homosexuals are a medical horror :
: story --imagine exchanging saliva, feces, semen and/or blood with :
: dozens of different men each year. Imagine drinking urine, ingesting :
: feces and experiencing rectal trauma on a regular basis. Often these :
: encounters occur while the participants are drunk, high, and/or in an :
: orgy setting. Further, many of them occur in extremely unsanitary :
: places (bathrooms, dirty peep shows), or, because homosexuals travel :
: so frequently, in other parts of the world. :
: :
: Every year, a quarter or more of homosexuals visit another :
: country.20 Fresh American germs get taken to Europe, Africa and Asia. :
: And fresh pathogens from these continents come here. Foreign homo- :
: sexuals regularly visit the U.S. and participate in this biological :
: swapmeet.

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Gregus, that is interesting…and disgusting! i didnt know homosexuals are so nasty. Alot of that stuff is filthy, its no way to get around it…and I never even heard of fecal sex! I really didnt even want to read it, since im eating, when I saw the term but I did anyway. I see why HIV is just one of many in a litany of diseases carried and spread by gays. I mean you cant help but spread disease when you eat doo doo!

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I put it like this…some say you are born gay, others say you choose to be that way. I dont know. Some may be born that way, some men just grow up liking other men, at least thats what they claim, and may have had happy childhods w/o being molested or anything. Others, like say a man who ends up in prison for years, become gay by choice, maybe because its no women around.

But homosexuals can choose to be celibate. They can choose not to eat shit and wash it down with a piss and semen milkshake!

Seriously though, there are sex addicts classes or therapist that can help.

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In 1976, a rare airborne scarlet fever broke out among gays and just :
: missed sweeping through San Francisco.

I thought scarlet fever was something in the 1800’s? No wonder the media keeps this stuff under wraps!!!

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The gay lifestyle is also one of America’s Great exports.

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[quote]makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun[/quote]

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike

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Amazing how low reading comprehension becomes when emotion becomes involved. Noone blames Gays for starting AIDS, just for being in the majority of those who spread it.

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[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
clip11 wrote:
forlife wrote:
It’s not about sexual orientation, it’s about safe sexual behavior. People in a committed monogamous relationship are at zero risk of catching HIV, regardless of whether they are straight or gay.

But that doesnt address the concern of HIV being a primarily gay disease, which is like the pink elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. Did you know that it was once called the gay plague?

When I was at school in the 80s, the kind of jokes that went round were that AIDS stood for Arse Injected Death Sentence.

When Aids and HIV first hit the news, most people talked about it as just a gay issue. The large amount of propeganda about hetrosexual risk was a reaction to the initial view.

Books like the one mentioned are just the pendulum swinging back.

I’m not sure which book you are referring to, but it appears that Michael Fumento’s book was published in 1990.

In other words, around the same time period that Oprah Winfrey was telling her audience, ‘Research studies now project that one in five – listen to me, hard to believe – one in five heterosexuals could be dead from AIDS at the end of the next three years.’

[/quote]

I think most of that amounts to wishful thinking on the part of the MSM. It turns out that Michael Fumento was right.

The reality is that AIDS is not an equal-opportunity infector. Vaginal intercourse has a much lower probability of resulting in blood-to-blood contact than anal intercourse. Vaginal cells are much more layered, much thicker, and round in shape so it is much harder to break through them to draw blood, except for prostitutes who have multiple partners a day and thus much more chafing of their vaginal walls. In contrast, the lining of the rectum is thin - only a few cells thick - and the cells are squarish and much easier to dislodge.

But the promiscuity mentioned by Gregus is also a huge factor.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike[/quote]

Why is it homophobia for simply telling the truth? If you read my suicide bomber example, thats like accusing the security guard of racism if he watches a group of arab males walking through the airport.

Its not homophobia if they are doing these things. Because if they werent doing them, it wouldnt be anything to talk about. But in this whole forum, you see very little of my personal feeling on homosexuality, im trying to stick with the facts.

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[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike[/quote]

Sure it was. Blame me - I had hopes, just this once to reach someone with facts and reason. The last page or so showed me once again not to expect that.

I think I’ve had enough. Let the morons win. If they’re on the web at least they can’t burn books or people.

I guess that’s good bye.

Signing off.

Makkun

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[quote]makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
makkun wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
[…] No knucklehead, why does it matter whether or not the person who dies of AIDS is gay or straight?

mike

It matters only in the context of how and where to channel the resources on prevention and information. Especially with the introduction of anti-viral drugs, there has been a growing complacency with regards to prevention. And it’s indeed hitting MSM especially who used to spearhead the original move towards safer sex - and that needs to be targeted.

Makkun

ohhh, now I see. So far for the most part what I’ve seen seemed to make it look primarily like simple homophobia and finger pointing for the existence of AIDS.

mike

Sure it was. Blame me - I had hopes, just this once to reach someone with facts and reason. The last page or so showed me once again not to expect that.

I think I’ve had enough. Let the morons win. If they’re on the web at least they can’t burn books or people.

I guess that’s good bye.

Signing off.

Makkun

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Makkun, To be fair, I didnt even know about the rest of that stuff mentioned such as fecal sex. Thats nasty no matter who does it, gay or straight, not just because its a gay couple. It just so happens that gay couples are the chief ones that practice this stuff.

Even you have to admit, if you have any standards of hygeine at all, that urine, fecal, and various forms of rectal sex are filthy. I admit I did make a few jokes, but that stuff and people that practice it are filthy, its no other way to say it. And that kind of behavior is going to breed disease, whether HIV or hepatitis A or scarlet fever.

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http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_Hepatitis

This is from a conservative website, bt they get their info from the CDC website.

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Clip, don’t fall for the hype about gays being into all these bizarre forms of sex. There is a fringe in both gay and straight communities that are into this stuff, but it’s not descriptive of what I’ve seen as a gay man.

Again, it’s not about a person’s sexual orientation. It’s about using common sense, and ideally (imho) committing yourself to a monogamous relationship. Both gay and straight people can do that.