[quote]tw0scoops2 wrote:
Is detox ever really necessary?[/quote]
Only if you are doing it via dialysis because your kidneys are failing.
She needs more fats and oils, I bet her joints will start to hurt in a few more weeks/month.
[quote]AlteredState wrote:
tw0scoops2 wrote:
Is detox ever really necessary?
Possibly, if you consume a diet high in mercury or pesticides and do it for long enough.[/quote]
Your liver and kidneys will already be filtering out these chemicals. Thats what they do. There is some truth in eating/drinking/breathing “toxins”, but the idea that you can “detox” or “cleanse” your body by eating this or drinking that is just misguided.
If you were honestly in a state of toxicity, a trip to the ER would be in order, not a lemon-maple syrup-cayenne pepper booster shot.
Speaking of the rise of the “cleansing diets,” there is now another movement on the rise, propagated by select few naturopaths: Small amounts of hydrogen peroxide to water to encourage O2 absorption… excuse me as I puke out my guts from laughter.
I read some folks taking about it on another forum. Cleansing diets do one thing, especially the cayehne pepper special:
Shit copious amounts of water.
Tell her to eat lots of avocadoes
[quote]Duke wrote:
Even cavemen were smart enough to figure out how to get a BBQ started and cook some dead animals on it[/quote]
Lol yeah and then they started dieing of cancer
[quote]elih8er wrote:
Speaking of the rise of the “cleansing diets,” there is now another movement on the rise, propagated by select few naturopaths: Small amounts of hydrogen peroxide to water to encourage O2 absorption… excuse me as I puke out my guts from laughter.
I read some folks taking about it on another forum. Cleansing diets do one thing, especially the cayehne pepper special:
Shit copious amounts of water. [/quote]
Even more ridiculous is stuff like Homeopathy, accupuncture, and a bunch of other woo that N.D.'s practice.
In fact, Naturopaths can now practice as Primary Care Providers in many states. Go look up their curriculum if your interested in seeing what they are “educated” in by the time they have a degree.
www.ScienceBasedMedicine.com has a good write up on the issue.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
elih8er wrote:
Speaking of the rise of the “cleansing diets,” there is now another movement on the rise, propagated by select few naturopaths: Small amounts of hydrogen peroxide to water to encourage O2 absorption… excuse me as I puke out my guts from laughter.
I read some folks taking about it on another forum. Cleansing diets do one thing, especially the cayehne pepper special:
Shit copious amounts of water.
Even more ridiculous is stuff like Homeopathy, accupuncture, and a bunch of other woo that N.D.'s practice.
In fact, Naturopaths can now practice as Primary Care Providers in many states. Go look up their curriculum if your interested in seeing what they are “educated” in by the time they have a degree.
www.ScienceBasedMedicine.com has a good write up on the issue.[/quote]
I know a number of people who swear by ayurvedic medicine.
Please explain what exactly you find so ridiculous about naturopathic medicine
One thing I have always wondered is how many vegans/raw foodist have no acne. I mean they are esentially eating just carbs, and many simple sugars in fruits so, should there insulin not be rising often? causing over secretion of sebum and therefore acne?
maybe their digestion is better on that raw diet so they absorb nutrients better to improve their skin
[quote]PittMania wrote:
I know a number of people who swear by ayurvedic medicine.
Please explain what exactly you find so ridiculous about naturopathic medicine [/quote]
Just becomes someone thinks something works doesnt mean that it does, no matter how strongly they believe in it. As far as what I find so ridiculous about “alternative” medicine:
Many of the claims have been proven to be false, or have never been shown to be effective at all. The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine(NCCAM) has not established one of the claims by CAM to be fruitful.
“Alternative Medicine” is simply treatments that are not based on science, because the minute something has scientific evidence behind it, it becomes just “medicine.”
Alternative medicine folks like to make a distinction between “natural” medicines and man made medicines(which are often times just standardized versions of their natural counterparts), when there really isnt any. If a substance interacts with your body, it is a drug, pure and simple.
Not to mention the fact that just because something is natural has no bearing on whether or not it will be good for you. In fact, since natural plants and animals have a vested interest in staying alive, it is actually quite rare that we find a chemical they produce to be beneficial instead of harmful. Many of them will kill us.
As far as particularly dubious claims go:
Homeopathy has been shown ineffective, which makes sense when you realize what it is - Begin with a medication that causes the illness, then dilute it down so far that none of the chemical remains in the final product.
The better the control of the study, the less of an effect the remedy produces, all the way down to being no better than placebo.
Acupuncture has been proven to be nothing but placebo, and there is yet to be evidence of the “human life force” that it claims to manipulate, nor can different schools agree on where the “meridians” of this force are located. In fact, here is a study done recently showing that injections of sterile water(placebo) were more effective: Sterile Water Injections for Pain Relief | Science-Based Medicine
Chiropractic - Depending on what kind of practitioner you get, you may get someone who thinks that ALL disease is caused by something called a subluxation, which is essentially a pinched nerve, and fixing this will cure whatever you have. While this was the core belief of the practice when it began, I understand that most Chiros do not subscribe to this idea now. Buyer beware though.
Some practitioners that think chelation therapy can cure autism. Total garbage.
Seriously, just look up the claims of whatever it is that the treatment says it can do and do the research. Is there any good reason to suspect that it can do it? Are their large scale, randomly assigned, double blinded, well controlled trials that support the claim? Most CAM therapies come back with no answers to these Q’s.
[quote]PittMania wrote:
I know a number of people who swear by ayurvedic medicine.
Please explain what exactly you find so ridiculous about naturopathic medicine [/quote]
And I have met plenty of people who think praying to Jesus/Allah is going to cure them of their diseases…
Do me a favor. Give me an article from a peer reviewed journal to back your claims. Not just one, but several. Show me clinical trials. Show me double blind studies.
Homeopathic medicine is based on this amount of science:
Did you see that? Let me show you again:
In case you missed it, that was nothing.
Biochem, biology, human phys > whatever the fuck naturopaths do.
[quote]elih8er wrote:
PittMania wrote:
I know a number of people who swear by ayurvedic medicine.
Please explain what exactly you find so ridiculous about naturopathic medicine
And I have met plenty of people who think praying to Jesus/Allah is going to cure them of their diseases…
Do me a favor. Give me an article from a peer reviewed journal to back your claims. Not just one, but several. Show me clinical trials. Show me double blind studies.
Homeopathic medicine is based on this amount of science:
Did you see that? Let me show you again:
In case you missed it, that was nothing.
Biochem, biology, human phys > whatever the fuck naturopaths do.[/quote]
The token “joke” about praying being an effective means of treatment is that God has never cured an amputee. Science is actually closing in on that puzzle(it was a main story in most of the science mags last month), and I’ve no doubt that when they do people will attribute it to Gods will.
The actual science blunder that homeopaths and most CAM practitioners make is falsely linking correlation with causation. This logical fallacy can probably account for why they think most of their treatments are effective.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
When a diet is very low in fat, the skin loses its suppleness. It would not surprise me that this could be the case with her. Healthy fats have not only calories but nutrients for cell integrity. This is why fish oil is so vital, it literally improves the movement of nutrients within the cell walls. [/quote]
How can raw food diet be LOW in fat? Have you got any idea how much oil nuts and seeds have?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Post pics of her skin.[/quote]
lulz
or maybe…
her skin is dry because of the drier air associated with winter ?
(not sure how it works out your way , but here EVERYBODY has dry skin here)
Yeah man it is fats.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
I find it funny that people who release toxins tend to be hippie stoners or goth stoner cutters
Don’t associate stoners with hippies.[/quote]
however some hippies are indeed stoners.
She’s not an idiot (I assume), but is getting advice from people who may be semi-religiously biased. Raw food devotees use the “detox” excuse way too much.
More likely your sister needs to make minor adjustments to correct a deficiency. You or your sister might want to check out this discussion about the psychology of raw food fans, from a former devotee:
It’s part of a large article that discusses raw foods, veganism, paleo diets, etc. quite rationally. It should not be offensive to your sister, and might help her out.
being a whole foods employee i know a lot of people who are raw vegans. ive heard stories about things like cancer/other serious illnesses literally disappearing, allergies clearing up completely etc.
the people i know who are raw vegans eat a lot of raw foods every day to obtain proper nutrition. ive seen results of this diet first hand.
skin clearing up, eyes completely white and clean looking, complexion improvements, and of course weight loss and health improvements. i back a raw vegan diet, though i could/would not ever do it myself.
I don’t have a problem with vegan/vegetarian diets. I commend people standing up for something they believe in…but it is not healthier than a diet based around eating meat.