My Self Esteem Has Never Been Lower

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now THAT! is a purty woman! Wow!

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Yep.[/quote]

Concur. [/quote]

Well, that was a REALLY old picture but thank you, sincerely. I’m pretty sure I peaked about 25 years ago. :wink: I was wondering how many people here got my Mary Ann and Ginger, and Flock of Seagulls Hair references. HA!!
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I wonder how many people here got that you just dropped the best humble brag this website has ever seen!

Btw, I also concur.

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now THAT! is a purty woman! Wow!

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Yep.[/quote]

Concur. [/quote]

Well, that was a REALLY old picture but thank you, sincerely. I’m pretty sure I peaked about 25 years ago. :wink: I was wondering how many people here got my Mary Ann and Ginger, and Flock of Seagulls Hair references. HA!!
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I wonder how many people here got that you just dropped the best humble brag this website has ever seen!

Btw, I also concur.[/quote]

I don’t think it matters hahaha. I’m 20 and didn’t understand any of her references. After seeing her picture it’s clear she broke many Boys hearts.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now THAT! is a purty woman! Wow!

[/quote]

Yep.[/quote]

Concur. [/quote]

Well, that was a REALLY old picture but thank you, sincerely. I’m pretty sure I peaked about 25 years ago. :wink: I was wondering how many people here got my Mary Ann and Ginger, and Flock of Seagulls Hair references. HA!!
[/quote]

I wonder how many people here got that you just dropped the best humble brag this website has ever seen!

Btw, I also concur.[/quote]

I don’t think it matters hahaha. I’m 20 and didn’t understand any of her references. After seeing her picture it’s clear she broke many Boys hearts.
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yup…

She breathed… IN HER SWEATER!!!

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Oh crap this is a long reply, alright ill try to number my remarks:

  1. What I was trying to say is that entitlement is more common today. I remember when I was 18-19 women were generally nicer. A lot has changed in the last 7 years. That was just an example, Ive been on many similar dates. It is getting annoying.

2)If you are looking for something beyond my anecdotes, I am not sure what to tell you. I don’t meticulously record the details of my life so what you are going to get is general statements. I don’t think citing sources makes sense for this kind of conversation either, honestly, because how would one quantify observing a sense of entitlement unless a researcher were to conduct a series of surveys asking whether or not men believed this answer was true. I just notice most of the women I meet tend to expect a level of respect they didn’t earn.

3)By liability of being a man, I mean it is much more beneficial to act passive (say you have a problem at work, you cant confront to person directly and resolve it, you go to your boss, which I look at as running to mommy), then to be assertive (doing this might get you written up). Another example, this guy was being a huge dickhead to this waitress at a coffee shop I was sitting in, so I told him to stop acting like one. He literally did not know what to do or say, his wife at their quietly, and the kids behind me were like “Oh shit.” People don’t stand up for eachother today. Yes, the politically correct action would have been to approach the guy nicely and ask him if he was ok, or be as polite as possible. Fuck that, I enjoyed embarrassing him and he walked out like a little bitch and the woman thanked me for saying something to this guy who was completely out of line. How many guys will step up to the plate today? Not many, most people would rather watch or film it on their phone and put it on facebook/instagram.

  1. In your second last comment, did you do exactly what you accused me of - asserting generalizations based on your experience? Regardless, I think this is more common among people my age. I don’t know too many people 10 years older than me though. I wasn’t talking about leadership though, I was talking about being a wimp. You can not be a leader and still be a strong person.

  2. As far as women who are married or taken hitting on me vs my success with single women, Id say it is a very high ratio. It is high enough where I have gone home depressed wondering if something is wrong with me or there is something about me I don’t notice. I don’t even entertain women who do that anymore and I stopped going out because of it. I cant tell you the numbe of women I have gone out with, danced with, flirted with, only to find they have a boyfriend. Then they give you this line of bullshit “Oh youll find someone someday” and I reply “Dump your boyfriend then and meet me this Friday.” but what I really want to say is “I would have been better off watching porn than spending the time with you.”

EDIt:
I don’t know why the keyboard doesn’t work on this computer. Deal with the typos.[/quote]
Dude, I’ll tell you the truth.

YOU ARE A BETA. Women can smell it.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Also i’ll be going to a Caribbean medical school in about two years because I won’t be able to get into any here and will eventually become a doctor despite failing my equivalency exam 3 times.
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Fixed.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now THAT! is a purty woman! Wow!

[/quote]

Yep.[/quote]

Concur. [/quote]

Well, that was a REALLY old picture but thank you, sincerely. I’m pretty sure I peaked about 25 years ago. :wink: I was wondering how many people here got my Mary Ann and Ginger, and Flock of Seagulls Hair references. HA!!
[/quote]

I wonder how many people here got that you just dropped the best humble brag this website has ever seen!

Btw, I also concur.[/quote]

I don’t think it matters hahaha. I’m 20 and didn’t understand any of her references. After seeing her picture it’s clear she broke many Boys hearts.
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yup…

She breathed… IN HER SWEATER!!![/quote]

GAH!!! Now you’re just embarrassing me.

Note to self: If I ever find myself single and need to go on one of those dating sites, use picture from 1987. Maybe with my GI Joe arms and big traps photoshopped on, to keep things honest. :slight_smile: You guys are nice. Thank you. And now lets talk more about… anything else.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
That girl just lacks the social skills to politely but frankly decline. This happens a lot. She doesn’t want to be rude, so she’ll make up excuses, invent a boyfriend, or friend-zone you. I hate to admit it, but I did this quite a bit, mostly because I didn’t know how to honestly communicate in a nice way. Don’t take it personally. You gave a perfectly nice offer, and the little joke about Starbucks was funny. She’s just not interested for whatever reason. She might have a crush on somebody else right now. It can be that simple.

If she were really interested when you suggested coffee, she would have said she was working, but was free on Thursday or whenever. And if she really has a boyfriend, she should have brought that up right out of the box when you asked for her number. She could have easily said, “Thanks, and I would but I’m dating someone right now.” [/quote]

I don’t get it then. Why do that? All she had to do was say she had a bf. When she agreed to get coffee with me she said, “yeah sure why not”. Hmmm why not? She already knew the answer to that question. Do some women live such boring lives that they have to take advantage of any form of drama they can to help spice things up? I mean it’s one thing to cheat on your bf, it’s another to toy with the emotions of a complete stranger. Women can be so cruel holy phuck. [/quote]

I don’t know why she said “Yeah sure why not.” You’ll never know. You’d think it would have been easier for her to quickly sidestep you by text when she can think through her responses without the face-to-face pressure. Just a guess here, but she gave you her number - Maybe because she didn’t know how to gracefully say no to your face. The unexpected face to face thing can catch a girl like a deer in the headlights. She was thinking all along that she was going to answer a text or two from you if you contacted her, and then make an excuse if you asked her out. There is no boyfriend. That’s my guess.

What Apoklyps said about not continuing to suggest times to meet up is spot on. If she says “Sorry, I have to work,” and you say “What’s your schedule like next week?”, and she comes back with something about how she’s slammed with work, and needs to write a big paper, and already has plans with her roommates - Then she’s trying to politely blow you off. So, you politely say, “Well, I’m on my way out but it was nice to meet you. TTYL” Forget about trying to make her “regret you.” That’s just silly.

If you were some total stranger who hit on me at the 7-11, no way I’d have given you my number, but it’s always easier to say, “Sorry, I have a boyfriend”, than to say “No, you’re a total stranger and you seem creepy.” :slight_smile: If the guy seemed normal, was friendly and was about my age, and from my school, I might have given him my number thinking I’d either find a nice way to brush him off later, or MAYBE that it would turn into some kind of friendship.

Lots of women will sometimes hang out with guys, or even accept dates when they are pretty sure there’s no romantic interest on their part at all. It generally not premeditated or mean-spiritied. They are unlikely to be thinking “Score! I’ve turned him into my beta-orbiter, stand-in for if I have no better plans! I’ll use him!” We may sometimes be in denial about accepting that the young man wouldn’t hang around just to be a friend, but we’re not usually doing it on purpose to be cruel.

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I agree with most of what you said and thank you for your response. I don’t think she has a bf either, I’ve stated that from the beginning. However if you read our conversation, her telling me it’s family day and that she’s sorry she’s usually not that mean and yadda yadda.

It just seems like she’s looking for some type of validation or attention. It’s one thing if you don’t have enough courage to reject someone when they’re right in front of you. It’s a whole different ball game whhil texting, she had more than enough opportunities to be straight up with me. She was under no pressure and it was weird because she would respond like 30 seconds after I texted her. So this made me think she was interested.

Me on the other had, I would average almost 15 mins per text (this was not on purpose) Beside the coffee offer, I was actually the passive one in the covno. I even ended the convo first before it became a texting marathon. She ‘allegedly’ works two minimum wage jobs to help support her family. I felt bad for her, if things went further I could have helped her get a job with my current employer (the starting pay is $20hr).

Also i’ll be going to medical school in about two years and will eventually become a doctor. I never mentioned where I worked or what i’m going to school for. She probably sees me as some low class loser but little does she know it’s the opposite. This would be the last time I cold approach a girl. My friend told me to never ask out a library girl because they’re all batchit crazy, I guess he was right haha.
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The Butthurt is so deep in this post. Girls aren’t attracted to guys because they can set them up with $20/hr jobs. Being an undergrad who plans to go to medical school also doesn’t bump you up many notches. You don’t feel bad for her. You wanted her and are frustrated that she didn’t want you and that she’ll never know what a great catch you are.

The reality is there are dozens of explanations as to why she ended up acting the way she did. But thinking about it more won’t let you know which explanation is correct, and knowing which explanation is correct wouldn’t help you. It doesn’t appear you screwed up horribly in the interaction, but there are things you could have done better (there always are).

Move on.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
That girl just lacks the social skills to politely but frankly decline. This happens a lot. She doesn’t want to be rude, so she’ll make up excuses, invent a boyfriend, or friend-zone you. I hate to admit it, but I did this quite a bit, mostly because I didn’t know how to honestly communicate in a nice way. Don’t take it personally. You gave a perfectly nice offer, and the little joke about Starbucks was funny. She’s just not interested for whatever reason. She might have a crush on somebody else right now. It can be that simple.

If she were really interested when you suggested coffee, she would have said she was working, but was free on Thursday or whenever. And if she really has a boyfriend, she should have brought that up right out of the box when you asked for her number. She could have easily said, “Thanks, and I would but I’m dating someone right now.” [/quote]

I don’t get it then. Why do that? All she had to do was say she had a bf. When she agreed to get coffee with me she said, “yeah sure why not”. Hmmm why not? She already knew the answer to that question. Do some women live such boring lives that they have to take advantage of any form of drama they can to help spice things up? I mean it’s one thing to cheat on your bf, it’s another to toy with the emotions of a complete stranger. Women can be so cruel holy phuck. [/quote]

If you have some overwhelming, burning desire to figure out the behavior of everyone on this earth, then you have a huge wakeup call waiting for you when you get out of college. And it’s going to be a huge wakeup call considering that there are likely more distasteful people out there than this country has seen before. Wait til you get to the working world or have to travel about in your town or city, state, or city more, and have to meet and work and travel alongside people whose behavior you can not make sense of at all.

I live and work in Queens, NYC, and have been to all the other four boroughs, and worked, regularly visited or socialized in three others, Brooklyn, Bronx, and Manhattan. Maybe I can make a list here of behavior I see or have observed on a near daily basis, out and about, or while working. This city has no shortage of degenerates.

  1. At almost any given hour, I can walk down the avenue where my workplace is and hear someone mumbling to HIMSELF or his buddy, stuff like, “F— dat ______,” F— dis _______," "I’m gonna f— dat motherf----r up!,“Dat bitch…”, “Dat _____ is bitch-made,” and so on.

  2. With the same frequency, I can witness people literally YELLING in public into the thin air, with hardly anyone around. Usually this type has headphones on and is repeating rap lyrics he is hearing from his headphones. I have walked right past such people, with both of us looking each other in the face, and they continued to bark and bellow rap diddies as if it is normal.

  3. Bosses who reprimand their employees for the same things they do!

  4. Bosses and administrators that bark at employees.

  5. People that don’t understand what you are saying even though you are speaking clearly with kindergarten-level literacy.

  6. People littering in front of your face.

  7. Able-bodied people aged 20 to 50 years old who refuse to work and would rather spend their lives in nursing homes and shelters and high on drugs.

  8. Stories of women flaking on and screwing over men.

  9. Stories of men flaking on and screwing over women.

OP: How do I figure all these people and behaviors out? I mean I really want to.

In all this discussion of women flaking on men, has anyone ever considered how many men lead on or mess with women?!

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
In all this discussion of women flaking on men, has anyone ever considered how many men lead on or mess with women?![/quote]
What the world really needs is another internet thread bashing non-specific men anecdotally.

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
In all this discussion of women flaking on men, has anyone ever considered how many men lead on or mess with women?![/quote]
What the world really needs is another internet thread bashing non-specific men anecdotally. [/quote]

My point was that both sexes do this sort of flaky crap to each other.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
In all this discussion of women flaking on men, has anyone ever considered how many men lead on or mess with women?![/quote]

Considered it - found it relevant to the discussion but decided where this thread is headed is a lot more fun

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Silyak wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
In all this discussion of women flaking on men, has anyone ever considered how many men lead on or mess with women?![/quote]
What the world really needs is another internet thread bashing non-specific men anecdotally. [/quote]

My point was that both sexes do this sort of flaky crap to each other. [/quote]

Bullshit. I’ve never lead a girl on or flake out on one…

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Pic of me from back then with my BIG late 1980’s hair and boxy sweater.
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Wow, you are the epitome of shiksappeal.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

It just seems like she’s looking for some type of validation or attention. … going to medical school in about two years and will eventually become a doctor. I never mentioned where I worked or what i’m going to school for. She probably sees me as some low class loser but little does she know it’s the opposite. This would be the last time I cold approach a girl. My friend told me to never ask out a library girl because they’re all batchit crazy, I guess he was right haha.
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And this explains why most of the other doctors my wife works with are insecure douches.

Seriously, get a life. This girl did nothing worth worry about.

There is some solid advice on this thread. Follow it.

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Oh crap this is a long reply, alright ill try to number my remarks:

  1. What I was trying to say is that entitlement is more common today. I remember when I was 18-19 women were generally nicer. A lot has changed in the last 7 years. That was just an example, Ive been on many similar dates. It is getting annoying.

2)If you are looking for something beyond my anecdotes, I am not sure what to tell you. I don’t meticulously record the details of my life so what you are going to get is general statements. I don’t think citing sources makes sense for this kind of conversation either, honestly, because how would one quantify observing a sense of entitlement unless a researcher were to conduct a series of surveys asking whether or not men believed this answer was true. I just notice most of the women I meet tend to expect a level of respect they didn’t earn.

3)By liability of being a man, I mean it is much more beneficial to act passive (say you have a problem at work, you cant confront to person directly and resolve it, you go to your boss, which I look at as running to mommy), then to be assertive (doing this might get you written up). Another example, this guy was being a huge dickhead to this waitress at a coffee shop I was sitting in, so I told him to stop acting like one. He literally did not know what to do or say, his wife at their quietly, and the kids behind me were like “Oh shit.” People don’t stand up for eachother today. Yes, the politically correct action would have been to approach the guy nicely and ask him if he was ok, or be as polite as possible. Fuck that, I enjoyed embarrassing him and he walked out like a little bitch and the woman thanked me for saying something to this guy who was completely out of line. How many guys will step up to the plate today? Not many, most people would rather watch or film it on their phone and put it on facebook/instagram.

  1. In your second last comment, did you do exactly what you accused me of - asserting generalizations based on your experience? Regardless, I think this is more common among people my age. I don’t know too many people 10 years older than me though. I wasn’t talking about leadership though, I was talking about being a wimp. You can not be a leader and still be a strong person.

  2. As far as women who are married or taken hitting on me vs my success with single women, Id say it is a very high ratio. It is high enough where I have gone home depressed wondering if something is wrong with me or there is something about me I don’t notice. I don’t even entertain women who do that anymore and I stopped going out because of it. I cant tell you the numbe of women I have gone out with, danced with, flirted with, only to find they have a boyfriend. Then they give you this line of bullshit “Oh youll find someone someday” and I reply “Dump your boyfriend then and meet me this Friday.” but what I really want to say is “I would have been better off watching porn than spending the time with you.”

EDIt:
I don’t know why the keyboard doesn’t work on this computer. Deal with the typos.[/quote]
Dude, I’ll tell you the truth.

YOU ARE A BETA. Women can smell it.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.[/quote]

Isnt that alpha/beta shit teenagers say on bodybuilding.com?

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
And this explains why most of the other doctors my wife works with are insecure douches.
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Awwwww man… Really?

Your wife’s a psychiatrist, right? I know that the culture varies a bit between specialties, so is it more of a psychiatry thing or more of a doctors-in-general thing?

From the educational process onward, it’s not a normal lifestyle so I wasn’t surprised that most people in the field are a little strange. But if it’s that bad, that would’ve been nice to know beforehand…