My Self Esteem Has Never Been Lower

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I hate to admit it, but I did this quite a bit, mostly because I didn’t know how to honestly communicate in a nice way. [/quote]

I don’t doubt you left a trail of broken Mormon boys hearts from one end of the BYU campus to the other.[/quote]

Wel… Not so much. There was an awkward year where I cut my hair off so I looked like Alice from Dilbert, then there was some trouble with my contacts so I had to wear some really thick glasses, then there was the unfortunate spiral perm… :slight_smile:

It’s pretty hard to be a big fish in that pond. It’s a huge school with a lot of really beautiful women. One of the girls I was close friends with had been a runner up in the Miss California pageant. Pic of me from back then with my BIG late 1980’s hair and boxy sweater. At least I never went through a Flock of Seagulls phase.
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Ha. I was right. You were a babe in the tight sweaters and knit Bible-cover sort of way.

Poor boys.

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You look like the hot HS girl in every 80s movie, the one who always dated Billy Zabka.

Like, if Lea Thompson or Elizabeth Shue had a cuter sister that would be you.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
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You look like the hot HS girl in every 80s movie, the one who always dated Billy Zabka.

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Well, you can’t see the monster calves or the chiclet teeth in that picture Doc but thanks. That Billy Zabka always played such a jerk, right? Funny. I was definitely a Mary Ann around a lot of Gingers in college. When I met my husband I was wearing some big baggy sweats (80’s clothes were not the friend of the petite chick), and I had some big thick glasses on, hair up in a ponytail, and no makeup. He didn’t give me a second look. I’m pretty sure that’s when I knew I had to have him. :wink:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
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You look like the hot HS girl in every 80s movie, the one who always dated Billy Zabka.

Like, if Lea Thompson or Elizabeth Shue had a cuter sister that would be you.

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I just saw your edit, cross posting. I had people tell me I looked like Elizabeth Shue back then which was a great compliment. As a little girl, I had the long braids and freckles. People told me I looked like Laura Ingalls which I wasn’t so happy about.

There’s a bunch of over-analysis in this thread. Some dork ask the number of a women he doesn’t know, she doesn’t say yes but still respond just for the heck of it and all womens are entitled. Do you think you are entitled to someone making space in their life for you just because you asked for the number?

Gtfo with that my self-esteem has never been lower stuff fucking pussy.

Find someone hotter, she was probably looking for attention or looking for a backup.

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
That girl just lacks the social skills to politely but frankly decline. This happens a lot. She doesn’t want to be rude, so she’ll make up excuses, invent a boyfriend, or friend-zone you. I hate to admit it, but I did this quite a bit, mostly because I didn’t know how to honestly communicate in a nice way. Don’t take it personally. You gave a perfectly nice offer, and the little joke about Starbucks was funny. She’s just not interested for whatever reason. She might have a crush on somebody else right now. It can be that simple.

If she were really interested when you suggested coffee, she would have said she was working, but was free on Thursday or whenever. And if she really has a boyfriend, she should have brought that up right out of the box when you asked for her number. She could have easily said, “Thanks, and I would but I’m dating someone right now.” [/quote]

I don’t get it then. Why do that? All she had to do was say she had a bf. When she agreed to get coffee with me she said, “yeah sure why not”. Hmmm why not? She already knew the answer to that question. Do some women live such boring lives that they have to take advantage of any form of drama they can to help spice things up? I mean it’s one thing to cheat on your bf, it’s another to toy with the emotions of a complete stranger. Women can be so cruel holy phuck.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
That girl just lacks the social skills to politely but frankly decline. This happens a lot. She doesn’t want to be rude, so she’ll make up excuses, invent a boyfriend, or friend-zone you. I hate to admit it, but I did this quite a bit, mostly because I didn’t know how to honestly communicate in a nice way. Don’t take it personally. You gave a perfectly nice offer, and the little joke about Starbucks was funny. She’s just not interested for whatever reason. She might have a crush on somebody else right now. It can be that simple.

If she were really interested when you suggested coffee, she would have said she was working, but was free on Thursday or whenever. And if she really has a boyfriend, she should have brought that up right out of the box when you asked for her number. She could have easily said, “Thanks, and I would but I’m dating someone right now.” [/quote]

I don’t get it then. Why do that? All she had to do was say she had a bf. When she agreed to get coffee with me she said, “yeah sure why not”. Hmmm why not? She already knew the answer to that question. Do some women live such boring lives that they have to take advantage of any form of drama they can to help spice things up? I mean it’s one thing to cheat on your bf, it’s another to toy with the emotions of a complete stranger. Women can be so cruel holy phuck. [/quote]

Homie… She is in college.

That boyfriend might be as good as gone next week. Maybe he blows in bed? Who the fuck knows, but point is, she is young and not looking to start a family here. She gave you her actual number, that’s half the fucking battle.

Leave it in your phone and look for hotter chicks. If you end up hitting it later, bonus. If not, fuck it, stop thinking about it.

[quote]Cherrybomb wrote:
Edit: Because seriously, what kind of stupid bitch (aside from a stripper trying to reel in customers) gives her phone number to a guy she met at work just to fuck with him?[/quote]

It’s pretty normal nowadays, actually.

But it isn’t to fuck with him; she just enjoys the attention and enjoys having another conversation-via-text going (plus all the incoming text notifications that that entails)

OP should embrace this fact.

OP should also be more forward, less friendly in future text exchanges.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Dude, move on. The chick you were talking to is dumb. It is obvious you were trying to ask you out and she wasn’t grown up enough to tell you right away. [/quote]

I disagree. Most women play the margins. She was establishing him as a Plan B or at least a Beta Orbiter. [/quote]

Yes.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Gotta be cocky in situations like that, OP. Cocky with class.[/quote]

Yes.

[quote]Cherrybomb wrote:
Edit: Because seriously, what kind of stupid bitch (aside from a stripper trying to reel in customers) gives her phone number to a guy she met at work just to fuck with him?[/quote]

It’s pretty normal nowadays, actually.

But it isn’t to fuck with him; she just enjoys the attention and enjoys having another conversation-via-text going (plus all the incoming text notifications that that entails)

OP should embrace this fact.

OP should also be more forward, less friendly in future text exchanges.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Cherrybomb wrote:
Edit: Because seriously, what kind of stupid bitch (aside from a stripper trying to reel in customers) gives her phone number to a guy she met at work just to fuck with him?[/quote]

It’s pretty normal nowadays, actually.

But it isn’t to fuck with him; she just enjoys the attention and enjoys having another conversation-via-text going (plus all the incoming text notifications that that entails)

OP should embrace this fact.

OP should also be more forward, less friendly in future text exchanges. [/quote]

wait I thought being confident and getting straight to the point is what real men do? I was upfront with what my intentions were. How could I have possibly been more forward? Either way you’re right. She just wanted another text message in her inbox to bring some excitement into her life. I mentioned that earlier when I said she probably has a boring life. If she does have a bf I feel sorry for him.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Now THAT! is a purty woman! Wow!

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Concur.

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
If she does have a bf I feel sorry for him.
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Sour grapes. If you really thought that, why would you whine about her so much and make a whole thread about it?

In this context, the bf was more than likely an excuse to shoo you away. Your neediness is showing, put that shit back in your pants or something. Pestering a girl you just met with texts asking her if she’s free on 3 consecutive weekend days is not endearing, it’s creepy. Especially after bringing up the idea of a date in a rather stilted way.

It basically communicates to her that you are desperate for her affection and are either a loser with nothing to do in his spare time or a loser who will drop whatever he is doing to spend time with her, i.e. A GIRL HE JUST MET. TBH, the bf thing might’ve just resulted from you creeping her out while texting.

Out of curiosity, why bother repeatedly shooting specific dates at her by text like that? Why not just ask her what her schedule is like next week and pick the date/time most convenient for you? SMH…

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
I cold approached this girl at the uni library. I got her number and texted her later that day. The entire Conversation went like this

Me: This is a VIP# store with care
-Jack
Her: LOL! Hey I’m sorry for being so rude when giving you my number my manager isn’t the nicest person on earth so I didn’t know how she would feel about it.

Me:No worries I understand she seems to be in a bad mood most of the time from what I noticed

Her: yeah idk what her deal is! I was like oh no :frowning: i’m usually not that mean.

Me: Do you drink coffee?

Her: haha yeah I do! why?

Me: Rumor has it this place called starbucks serves coffee, we should go verify this rumor.

Her: Yeah why no! when do you want to go

Me: What about saturday at 6?

Her: I have work! 2 jobs so i’m always busy.

Me: Wow hard worker! what about friday at 11am?

Her: I work on Friday too!! lol i’m working 9-2 Friday and 5-10 Saturday.

Me: What about sunday?

Her: Nope that’s family day LOL, You shuld know that

Me: Oh! well now I know

Her: I mean don’t you have family day on sunday’s hahaha

Me. I guess? I always assumed family day was every day?

Her: aww that’s swwet! do you have a big family?

Me: Hmm not rly! we’re a family of 6 wbu?

Her: I see :slight_smile: just 4 my parents my brother and I :slight_smile:

Me: It was nice chatting lmk when you’re so we can get some coffee!

Her: Thanks you too.

So now i’m a bit skeptical because she’s giving me sign that’s she’s interested but I just have a weird feeling about things So I text her 4 days later on sunday.

me: Hey! so how was family day?

For 12 hours I get no response. There’s a read receipt so I know she read it. I them begin getting paranoid until I give in and send a another text

me: is everything ok?

she texts back in two mins

Her: Yeah i’m good! I was with my bf all and didn’t have a chance to reply. I’m sorry :frowning:

That’s just sucked the air right out of me. I’d rather she denied me in the beginning but leading me on like that? really?

I send a message back

me: No worries

Her: :slight_smile:

and that’s the end of it. What would you guys do in this situation?

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This silly scenario from some woman you don’t even know crushed your self-esteem? Are you serious? If that’s the case, then you might indeed have crippled self-esteem.

A few key points here:

  1. This is a cold approach, and cold approaches have absolutely NOTHING invested in them! The woman doesn’t know you from a hole in the wall. Even if she thinks you are physically attractive, this one attribute in a man usually doesn’t do the job in a woman having strong interest in spending time with a guy if she does not know him from a hole in the wall. So there is no reason to even care about this event much considering that.

  2. Text conversations with prospective women are all asinine! Sending cute and jokey text messages should be reserved for serious girlfriends or wives. Sending texts, waiting for a response, sitting there thinking of this person while you’re doing daily activities and working and awaiting the next message - all of this is distracting and make a guy feel desperate and out of sorts, especially if he has low self esteem and is trying to figure out how to handle women, ESPECIALLY a modern woman who, like almost everyone else, is cooped up with cell phones and social media.

  3. From my observations throughout life, the men who can pull off goofy shenanigans like flirtatious text message conversations are men who have good self-images and past positive experiences with women and are thereby impervious to rejection and annoying and flaky female behaviors in meeting and dating. They simply do not care and also understand that not everyone likes them. Mature men know that there are people, men and women, that don’t like them, for whatever reason. The quicker a man comes to grip with this, the quicker his self-image will be intact.

  4. What would I do in a situation like that? Forget about this STRANGER! I am married now, but there was a time in life in which my own self-respect and self-image were in question. So it is easier said than done for men with that problem–which can be a serious problem! I recommend a cold approach only if there is some type of connection or excitement in a conversation, like if you really have some common interests or happen to know the same people and it is obvious she is physically attracted to you, which can be noticed by how she looks at or touches you.

Most “cold approaches” are a waste of time and will go nowhere. Even the men I knew who we might call "players’ in their younger days, did not take any cold approaching seriously. They didn’t know it was called cold approaching because that sort of stuff was part of who they were (eg, men who are VERY comfortable with women) and they had no idea what the heck all this internet PUA stuff was. Most men with serious girlfriends did not meet them from cold approaches.

  1. Many young women do not take dating seriously at all. Actually many do not take men seriously at all, which is not surprising considering the current social climate today and what people have pumped in their heads and what their priorities are. It’s also not surprising considering what many young men look and act like. Keep this in mind if you must in order not to personalize such situations.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Cherrybomb wrote:
Edit: Because seriously, what kind of stupid bitch (aside from a stripper trying to reel in customers) gives her phone number to a guy she met at work just to fuck with him?[/quote]

It’s pretty normal nowadays, actually.

But it isn’t to fuck with him; she just enjoys the attention and enjoys having another conversation-via-text going (plus all the incoming text notifications that that entails)

OP should embrace this fact.

OP should also be more forward, less friendly in future text exchanges.

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It is common, trust me. I think they do it to boost their ego or something, I don’t know. That is why I stopped being polite and just say something like “You know, you could have acted like an adult and just told me you weren’t single. I wouldn’t have wasted your time if I was taken.” Man does that piss them off!

Did you send her a dick pic? Most women today like to know what kind of equipment they are dealing with right away. If a guy doesn’t send me a dick pic in the first 3 texts, I can only assume he has a small cock and I am not going to waste my time.

It is also important to include an item in the pic for size comparison so that the woman can properly assess length and girth. The weisenheimers on here will tell you that holding a shoe up is the best way to show a woman you are a man to be reckoned with, but that is a classic rookie move. The only acceptable item for size comparison is an American Express Black Card.

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“You know, you could have acted like an adult and just told me you were single. I wouldn’t have wasted your time if I was taken.” Man does that piss them off!
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I actually think a woman like that would not be pissed off or sorry at all. I think she would be stumbled for a few seconds at most, hit delete, and then move on with her day very quickly. To wit: she wouldn’t care at all. She’s the one with the partner and if she is an attractive woman she likely will never run out of prospects, which is different than some guy with low self esteem trying to land a chic.