My Self Esteem Has Never Been Lower

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Look I agree with everything you’re saying. I feel embarrassed that I even wrote that. I’m not normally like that, you can call it sour grapes. As far as her working two jobs to support her family, I never bashed her for it. I said I felt bad for (assuming it’s even true) that I wanted to help her. Either way it doesn’t matter. I too worked two job in high school to help support my family. I worked my way up to the point I didn’t have to work two jobs anymore. I get where you’re coming from because I did sound like an entitled brat. I do need to mature. This is just a live and you learn interaction. btw wbu? How far have you gotten? Taken the MCAT yet?[/quote]

Hey, thanks. That definitely grew my respect for ya a little bit because it definitely takes a bigger man to be able to admit when he’s being a dummy. Especially over the internet. You’re 20, you still have a couple of years, but I will say one thing: once you get in, you’re expected to behave as a professional. It doesn’t mean you won’t ever screw it up, but it does mean that a lot more eyes will be on you all the time.

I’m in my second year right now. I wrote the MCAT a little over 2 years ago, right after they eliminated the writing portion, but right before they added the new section (lucky!). Still, I set aside a month to study for it. It wasn’t a very fun month.[/quote]

Lucky bastard haha. Congrats on getting into medical school. I hear second year is the toughest so i’m sure you’re probably drained and stressed. Unfortunately for me I have to take the new beast, i’ve heard horror stories already. Btw is it MD or DO? I’m only asking because if it were DO I wanted some insight on it. So how hard is medical school? Is it just the volume that keeps you up every night or difficulty grasping concepts? [/quote]

“Luck?” How is he “lucky?” I suppose he is lucky to be smart, but 95% of getting into med school and being successful there is just hard work.

Your posts read like a typical self-centered guy with delusions of how grand he is, coupled with anger at the world for not seeing you as a special snow flake.

In fact, I am reminded of that loser in LA (?) that went on a shooting/knife/car killing spree because he couldn’t get laid and the manifesto of black guy in Oregon who just went on a shooting spree, apparently because he was super cool, but no one recognized his greatness.

Work hard, disregard females and status, and females and status (and real self worth) will come.[/quote]

I didn’t say he was lucky because he got into medical school. I called him lucky because he ‘luckily’ dodged the new MCAT. The new MCAT is longer and requires a lot more memorization. Of course he didn’t get into medical school by simple luck. As far as me coming off as self centered, I already mentioned that it’s just sour grapes.

I find it odd that you’re comparing me to a mass murderer simply because of the way I responded to a girl rejecting me. Isn’t it obvious that was just simply a coping mechanism? Read the title of the thread. My self esteem was very low so what else did you expect from an immature twenty year old? I even apologized and admitted that I needed to mature and I was embarrassed that I even made that post.

I’m not a entitled, self centered egomaniac. There’s a reason why I came on this site because I have an open mind, I just wanted to know why things happened the way they did and how I can avoid it happening again. I also mentioned before I was in a long term relationship with my ‘high school sweet heart’ that ended not too long ago. So I’ve got the same experience as a 16 year old boy when it comes to approaching women.[/quote]

Great, glad you’re not the douche you appear to be.

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Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me.

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]

IF they were laughing at you, there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Chalk it up to experience and let it roll off. Hopefully it won’t be the last time somebody laughs at you, because that would be a pretty safe and boring life if you never do something a little bit awkward or stupid again. Everybody has some embarrassing story. I fell down the bleachers one time while wearing a skirt and pretty much flashed half the school. Laugh about it and move on.

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]
Try choosing women that are in your proximity voluntarilly instead of where they work.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]
Try choosing women that are in your proximity voluntarilly instead of where they work.[/quote]

that, would you want a relationship that begins with entrapment? It sounds like you ran into a classic self centered attention seeker anyways so… Move on. She’d turn down her dream guy for the 15 minutes of masturbatory gratification of the act, then silently regret it for years.

Don’t be (act like) the guy everyone hopes gets the girl in the end, be (act like) the guy who everyone knows is going to get laid…a lot.

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]

Dude, I can understand that this might bother you a bit, but it is really inconsequential. Two strangers laughing at you… You might not even know what their conversation piece was at the moment or why they were laughing. Granted they could have been laughing AT you, but they also could have been laughing because they are immature and don’t know how to react in social situations, one of them being seeing a guy that asked out their friends. Seriously, these are college students with likely limited social experience and probably a lot of room for maturity.

It is easy for me to comment on it, especially considering if I was eighteen to 21 years old and trying to figure women out, I would feel bothered too. But now, I truly do not give a rat’s ass if two strangers laugh at me. Like… REALLY… don’t care! Once you “establish” yourself (if you are not yet), with a good set of friends, family members (the thoughtful ones), hobbies, skills, a job, or whatever, the inane reactions of strangers will not phase you at all.

Asking out a woman is not laughable anyway. Perhaps those two chicks don’t know that.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]

Dude, I can understand that this might bother you a bit, but it is really inconsequential. Two strangers laughing at you… You might not even know what their conversation piece was at the moment or why they were laughing. Granted they could have been laughing AT you, but they also could have been laughing because they are immature and don’t know how to react in social situations, one of them being seeing a guy that asked out their friends. Seriously, these are college students with likely limited social experience and probably a lot of room for maturity.

It is easy for me to comment on it, especially considering if I was eighteen to 21 years old and trying to figure women out, I would feel bothered too. But now, I truly do not give a rat’s ass if two strangers laugh at me. Like… REALLY… don’t care! Once you “establish” yourself (if you are not yet), with a good set of friends, family members (the thoughtful ones), hobbies, skills, a job, or whatever, the inane reactions of strangers will not phase you at all.

Asking out a woman is not laughable anyway. Perhaps those two chicks don’t know that. [/quote]

X2. Assume immaturity and social awkwardnes, move on. Confident, well-adjusted people have learned to let this stuff roll off like it’s not a big deal, because it really isn’t.

AND… Remember that crazy college student in Santa Barbara who wrote a manifesto about women who disrespected him? That guy was taking this stuff WAY too seriously. Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger plotted murder spree for more than a year and practiced by stabbing pillows: police – New York Daily News

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Once you “establish” yourself (if you are not yet), with a good set of friends, family members (the thoughtful ones), hobbies, skills, a job, or whatever, the inane reactions of strangers will not phase you at all.
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So true!

It’s funny how life works. You get put in situations where you’re incredibly busy, far away, etc., that force you to choose the people and things that really matter to you. And that teaches you what matters to you and what doesn’t. I care about the opinions of the people with whom I have relationships that are based on mutual respect and trust (who are precious few). Everybody else can suck it, unless they can prove to me why I should give a shit. It’s an amazingly liberating feeling.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]

Dude, I can understand that this might bother you a bit, but it is really inconsequential. Two strangers laughing at you… You might not even know what their conversation piece was at the moment or why they were laughing. Granted they could have been laughing AT you, but they also could have been laughing because they are immature and don’t know how to react in social situations, one of them being seeing a guy that asked out their friends. Seriously, these are college students with likely limited social experience and probably a lot of room for maturity.

It is easy for me to comment on it, especially considering if I was eighteen to 21 years old and trying to figure women out, I would feel bothered too. But now, I truly do not give a rat’s ass if two strangers laugh at me. Like… REALLY… don’t care! Once you “establish” yourself (if you are not yet), with a good set of friends, family members (the thoughtful ones), hobbies, skills, a job, or whatever, the inane reactions of strangers will not phase you at all.

Asking out a woman is not laughable anyway. Perhaps those two chicks don’t know that. [/quote]

X2. Assume immaturity and social awkwardnes, move on. Confident, well-adjusted people have learned to let this stuff roll off like it’s not a big deal, because it really isn’t.

AND… Remember that crazy college student in Santa Barbara who wrote a manifesto about women who disrespected him? That guy was taking this stuff WAY too seriously. Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger plotted murder spree for more than a year and practiced by stabbing pillows: police – New York Daily News
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I believe Elliott Rodgers was one of the modern day internuts who for some reason actually believed that he was entitled to a stable of beautiful women, which is actually a belief held by many these days.

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Let me know if you guys think that the approach i’m about to entail is the right one. So i’ve noticed that the guys that give women the most attention are the ones that end up getting the least reciprocated. For instance if I had not shown this girl much attention after my initial text, I’d wager she would have texted me down the road. Another example are famous movie stars. I bet David Beckham never gave women the amount of attention they would expect. It seems like anytime you ask a girl out (especially more than once) you automatically become needy and an option. Where as if you act like you don’t want anything to do with them you become a challenge. What do you guys think?

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Let me know if you guys think that the approach i’m about to entail is the right one. So i’ve noticed that the guys that give women the most attention are the ones that end up getting the least reciprocated. For instance if I had not shown this girl much attention after my initial text, I’d wager she would have texted me down the road. Another example are famous movie stars. I bet David Beckham never gave women the amount of attention they would expect. It seems like anytime you ask a girl out (especially more than once) you automatically become needy and an option. Where as if you act like you don’t want anything to do with them you become a challenge. What do you guys think?[/quote]

I think you should focus on your studies and intentionally disregard women.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Saw her for the first time today. She was sitting at the front desk huddled around two of her co workers (1 male 1 female) She didn’t lay an eye on me but the other two looked at me and started laughing. I just kept walking as if nothing had happened. kind of phucked up if you ask me. [/quote]

IF they were laughing at you…[/quote]

“IF” is the largest word in the English Language.

The OP’s second post reminds of the song “You’re so vain. I bet you think this song is about you.”

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
What do you guys think?[/quote]

All mental masturbation.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
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AND… Remember that crazy college student in Santa Barbara who wrote a manifesto about women who disrespected him? That guy was taking this stuff WAY too seriously. Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger plotted murder spree for more than a year and practiced by stabbing pillows: police – New York Daily News
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I once made a thread on those who feel they are entitled to beautiful women. Entitled to Beautiful Women? - Off Topic - Forums - T Nation

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^

That topic generated quite the conversation. You made some really good points there, Brick.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
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AND… Remember that crazy college student in Santa Barbara who wrote a manifesto about women who disrespected him? That guy was taking this stuff WAY too seriously. Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger plotted murder spree for more than a year and practiced by stabbing pillows: police – New York Daily News
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I once made a thread on those who feel they are entitled to beautiful women. Entitled to Beautiful Women? - Off Topic - Forums - T Nation

I read most of that thread and you made a lot of good points. Although I would disagree that most men think they deserve strikingly good looking women. I think the lonely men that can’t get a woman (myself included at the moment) aren’t aiming for Jessica Alba or bust. They’re expecting a companion for which they can open themselves up to and help them become the strongest version of themselves.

IMO the strikingly good looking women are the nicest of the bunch. They may be conceited but they’re usually not the cold witches that some women can be. It’s the women in the middle and lower quadrants that make men spiral into depression. They think they’re entitled to a 6’3 200k salary 195lbs 10%bf Chiseled Brad. The only problem with that is they have little to no shot with these guys. Also for every one Man there are three females, therefore they’ve got way more competition. They continue to torment and belittle any men at their level that ask them out.

If these women weren’t continuously hit on every single day of the week, they’d maybe give some of those guys a shot. The girl that rejected me wasn’t the most attractive girl I’ve seen in my life, matter of fact she was average at best. (sour grapes sensor is tingling). I’m not a bad looking guy, I get called handsome all the time. This was the only reason why I even had the confidence to make the approach. It’s clear she found me attractive otherwise she would have been creeped out.

The moment I asked her out she automatically felt like I was level below her. Now she thinks she deserves someone much taller, handsomer, leaner, wealthier than me. When in reality (this is just my opinion) I was the one willing to date lower in the first place. At the end of the day I believe men are willing to settle much quicker than women are.

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Learn and move on.

And do more deadlifts.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

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[quote]orion wrote:

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[quote]Aero51 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Aero51 wrote:
Isnt that alpha/beta shit teenagers say on Bodybuilding.com - Huge Online Supplement Store & Fitness Community!

Lol, you must be new around here…[/quote]

Not new, just too alpha for this place anyway :wink:

God even typing that makes me cringe. [/quote]

Ya, lol, I hate the whole alpha/beta thing. It’s fucking non-sense. [/quote]

It is shorthand.
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For, “I haven’t completely left adolescence yet, and still think simplisticly.”[/quote]

Not really, this is more projection than anything else.

Originally, alpha fucks, beta bucks was all that mattered, some guys get laid for free, others pay a high price for it, which is a simple observation…

Now, what have these alpha fucks guys have in common?

To automatically attach ideas about wolf packs or something similar to that idea and then dismiss it is strawmanning.[/quote]

Some people have more success with the opposite sex than others?

Next you’ll be telling me that some kids are better at sports than their peers.

The point being that an obvious fact of life can be twisted to nonsense with enough obsession and ludicrous pseudo-intellectual babble attached.[/quote]

that’s exactly what a beta would say … how much you pay for sex, bro?[/quote]

Important question, since everyone pays for sex.

It is just, how much, in what currency, can you afford it?

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:

The moment I asked her out she automatically felt like I was level below her. Now she thinks she deserves someone much taller, handsomer, leaner, wealthier than me. [/quote]

And how do you know this? She told you?

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[quote]LiftHeavy360 wrote:
Another example are famous movie stars. I bet David Beckham never gave women the amount of attention they would expect. [/quote]

He was a pro athlete/celebrity and he is very good looking! Sorry, he doesn’t play by the same rules we do. So this is a bad example in regards to what you are talking about. Most guys had to pay some attention to the women they were interested in. You don’t have to be smothering or overly ingratiating, especially to good-looking women, who are well aware of their looks, but you have to do something.

I believe the dating scene today is rough though, for many people, for a variety of social reasons, mostly because of media-influenced beliefs, particularly the puffed-up, ridiculous expectations some women have of men.