[quote]Professor X wrote:
Isn’t this guy in his mid to late 20’s? How does that qualify as being a “young kid”?[/quote]
Not sure…I assumed he was in his very early 20’s.
I am not a bodybuilder or even follow the sport so I am not sure on the all natural, pro stats but it seems to me the majority would be much older than that.
I could be wrong.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Isn’t this guy in his mid to late 20’s? How does that qualify as being a “young kid”?
Not sure…I assumed he was in his very early 20’s.
I am not a bodybuilder or even follow the sport so I am not sure on the all natural, pro stats but it seems to me the majority would be much older than that.
I could be wrong.[/quote]
So what? He’s been on here for ages, if he had any clue on how to train and eat right he’d be way bigger.
Do you think that after 20 years of training people automatically grow huge somehow? This guy can keep training the way he does for as long as he wants… He will not improve.
If bodybuilding is something you don’t know all that much about, why do you even comment on all this?
If you don’t know how old he is either, why make comments about it?
Edit: 50% or more of natural bbing consists of people who flat out fail at bodybuilding (and also fail when using, because they quite simply have no clue) and use being “natural” as a lame excuse.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Isn’t this guy in his mid to late 20’s? How does that qualify as being a “young kid”?
Not sure…I assumed he was in his very early 20’s.
I am not a bodybuilder or even follow the sport so I am not sure on the all natural, pro stats but it seems to me the majority would be much older than that.
I could be wrong.
So what? He’s been on here for ages, if he had any clue on how to train and eat right he’d be way bigger.
Do you think that after 20 years of training people automatically grow huge somehow? This guy can keep training the way he does for as long as he wants… He will not improve.
If bodybuilding is something you don’t know all that much about, why do you even comment on all this?
If you don’t know how old he is either, why make comments about it?
Edit: 50% or more of natural bbing consists of people who flat out fail at bodybuilding (and also fail when using, because they quite simply have no clue) and use being “natural” as a lame excuse.[/quote]
Agreed. At 22 I had made much more progress than the OP. I am not sure how the hell someone can use age as an excuse when this guy is over the age of 20 and has been at this for years longer than I was at the same age.
That would indicate FAILURE to most people who are serious about this.
At his age he should be growing faster than just about everyone else older than him so how the fuck is that an excuse?
Further, why jump into bodybuilding discussions challenging long time members on the logic and theory involved when you don’t even follow bodybuilding?
How the hell would you know what’s right and what’s wrong if you don’t follow it at all?
What the hell is wrong with some people?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
At 22 I had made much more progress than the OP. [/quote]
So then you are not in the norm. So what?! I know for a fact that most pro bodybuilders do not enter the sport until much later on after they have significant development. Get a grip dude.
Not everyone can be super-awesome like the prof-x.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
At 22 I had made much more progress than the OP.
So then you are not in the norm. So what?! I know for a fact that most pro bodybuilders do not enter the sport until much later on after they have significant development. Get a grip dude.
Not everyone can be super-awesome like the prof-x.[/quote]
What? Most pros who compete in NPC may be in their 30’s (most, not all since many of the newer guys are UNDER THE AGE OF 28), but they were already standing out beyond what most people see in the gym long before that. Ronnie Coleman may have been in his 30’s when he started winning those pro shows, but the man was a beast since college.
Bodybuilding isn’t for everyone. If you have been training for a decade and most people can’t even tell, please refrain from giving advice to those who actually have a chance in hell of doing well in a contest.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bodybuilding isn’t for everyone. If you have been training for a decade and most people can’t even tell, please refrain from giving advice to those who actually have a chance in hell of doing well in a contest.[/quote]
This post makes the point of my original post very clear. The OP was specifically talking to trainers about the generalization that could be made about the common client. There was nothing in his post that was technically wrong or logically inconsistent.
Besides, pro bodybuilders are not athletes. They are people who like to look at big muscles in the mirror and wear tight bikini briefs on a stage. I think they would fall under category 2 of the OP.
Case closed.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bodybuilding isn’t for everyone. If you have been training for a decade and most people can’t even tell, please refrain from giving advice to those who actually have a chance in hell of doing well in a contest.
This post makes the point of my original post very clear. The OP was specifically talking to trainers about the generalization that could be made about the common client. There was nothing in his post that was technically wrong or logically inconsistent.
Besides, pro bodybuilders are not athletes. They are people who like to look at big muscles in the mirror and wear tight bikini briefs on a stage. I think they would fall under category 2 of the OP.
Case closed.[/quote]
The common client sets New Year’s resolutions and thinks running on a treadmill will make them look like Brad Pitt. Why is anyone in the BODYBUILDING FORUM making posts to those types of people?
You don’t even follow bodybuilding so why the living hell are you here?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The common client sets New Year’s resolutions and thinks running on a treadmill will make them look like Brad Pitt. Why i anyone in the BODYBUILDING FORUM making posts to those types of people?
You don’t even follow bodybuilding so why the living hell are you here?[/quote]
Uhhh…because PTs follow BB trends to stay competitive and I like to read new opinions about things I have an interest in. Beleive me, I don’t typically comment in this forum because it is more uncivilized than the PWI forums.
Why are you treating open forums like t-cell omega and acting like you are some sort of virtual bouncer?
Without us around to spark debate you’d be bored looking up ass porn and shopping for Action Hummels to complete your collection. Sorry, I don’t wish to take up any more of your time, my good prof.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The common client sets New Year’s resolutions and thinks running on a treadmill will make them look like Brad Pitt. Why i anyone in the BODYBUILDING FORUM making posts to those types of people?
You don’t even follow bodybuilding so why the living hell are you here?
Uhhh…because PTs follow BB trends to stay competitive and I like to read new opinions about things I have an interest in. Beleive me, I don’t typically comment in this forum because it is more uncivilized than the PWI forums.
Why are you treating open forums like t-cell omega and acting like you are some sort of virtual bouncer?
Without us around to spark debate you’d be bored looking up ass porn and shopping for Action Hummels to complete your collection. Sorry, I don’t wish to take up any more of your time, my good prof.
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Most pt’s are full of shit and are a waste of money, especially the little dudes who look more out of shape lately than their clients. I could really care less what most of them have to say aside from the very few who actually have a clue.
Jesus christ now we have this whole bs argument all over again.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most pt’s are full of shit and are a waste of money, especially the little dudes who look more out of shape lately than their clients. I could really care less what most of them have to say aside from the very few who actually have a clue.[/quote]
Agreed. Though I only could come to that conclusion because I have been lifting weights for nearly 25 years.
You have no need for a PT, maybe you never did, but surely you can imagine someone who does and would see a benefit just by having a person stand over them and tell them to breathe at the proper interval no matter what asinine trend they happen to be following. Besides, most people will lose interest when they don’t see immediate results and or decide their PT is a waste of time – or maybe, a new BB devotee will be born and take it upon himself to find the light.
That said, I do not categorically reject the OP out of hand. Take that as you will.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
At 22 I had made much more progress than the OP.
So then you are not in the norm. So what?! I know for a fact that most pro bodybuilders do not enter the sport until much later on after they have significant development. Get a grip dude.
Not everyone can be super-awesome like the prof-x.[/quote]
Why are you talking about pros at all?
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
And someone training for as long as the op with minimal to no progress to show for it hasn’t been making those gains. He has no clue, no matter how you twist and turn things.
The advice he’s given out previously causes beginners (who don’t have their bullshit-radar on) to make slow or no progress, and that kind of pisses me off.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Professor X wrote:
At 22 I had made much more progress than the OP.
So then you are not in the norm. So what?! I know for a fact that most pro bodybuilders do not enter the sport until much later on after they have significant development. Get a grip dude.
Not everyone can be super-awesome like the prof-x.
Why are you talking about pros at all?
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
And someone training for as long as the op with minimal to no progress to show for it hasn’t been making those gains. He has no clue, no matter how you twist and turn things.
The advice he’s given out previously causes beginners (who don’t have their bullshit-radar on) to make slow or no progress, and that kind of pisses me off.
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People who make little to no progress are cool with the idea of everyone else making little to no progress.
I am guessing that is why he is sticking up for the OP/troll.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
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Really?! Do you have literature to back that up or just anecdotal evidence?
Shit, so all I had to do my entire lifting career was make increases in my 5+ rep range to make an increase in muscle mass? Wow! That is enlightening.
That sounds entirely like what all noobs do, anyway.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
Really?! Do you have literature to back that up or just anecdotal evidence?
Shit, so all I had to do my entire lifting career was make increases in my 5+ rep range to make an increase in muscle mass? Wow! That is enlightening.
That sounds entirely like what all noobs do, anyway.[/quote]
I am interested in if you think increasing strength on a regular basis for years will NOT involve an increase in muscle mass.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
Really?! Do you have literature to back that up or just anecdotal evidence?
Shit, so all I had to do my entire lifting career was make increases in my 5+ rep range to make an increase in muscle mass? Wow! That is enlightening.
That sounds entirely like what all noobs do, anyway.[/quote]
In other words, you have no clue and like to overcomplicate everything?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
Really?! Do you have literature to back that up or just anecdotal evidence?
Shit, so all I had to do my entire lifting career was make increases in my 5+ rep range to make an increase in muscle mass? Wow! That is enlightening.
That sounds entirely like what all noobs do, anyway.
I am interested in if you think increasing strength on a regular basis for years will NOT involve an increase muscle mass.[/quote]
Amazing isn’t it. But hey, why would we know anything about that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Rate of gains in muscle-mass depend on how fast you make strength gains in in the 5+ rep ranges…
Really?! Do you have literature to back that up or just anecdotal evidence?
Shit, so all I had to do my entire lifting career was make increases in my 5+ rep range to make an increase in muscle mass? Wow! That is enlightening.
That sounds entirely like what all noobs do, anyway.
I am interested in if you think increasing strength on a regular basis for years will NOT involve an increase muscle mass.[/quote]
I’m not sure how anyone can doubt this. Apart from neural factors, an increase in muscle mass is the only way I know of to increase strength.
Well, I guess our second favorite troll of all times got his legendary thread after all…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am interested in if you think increasing strength on a regular basis for years will NOT involve an increase in muscle mass.[/quote]
Of course, that is the entire argument I was making. How many YEARS it takes is a matter for the individual to worry about.
Plus, it is really hard to objectively know this on an interweb forum about specific posters when all of the necessary information is not at hand. For example, as a MD would you make a diagnoses without knowing all the facts and being able to observe that person first hand?