I took off Tue/Wed/Thu this week. No training at all, just eating lots of good food and going to bed early. My nuts have been sore, which is supposed to be normal when they start “waking up” from being shut-down. It kind of feels like someone kicked me in the junk, but without the nausea.
My bodyweight was 228 lbs. this morning so I’m pretty close to where I was when I cut weight for the tournament. Next time I’m going to plan things out a little better. I don’t think cutting weight or competing during PCT is a good idea. I need to do some more reading on how athletes plan their AAS cycles around competitions.
I was back in the gym today and had a pretty good workout. I realize now that I have to work out smarter if I want to keep building upon each cycle, and that means maintenance work during PCT.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I took off Tue/Wed/Thu this week. No training at all, just eating lots of good food and going to bed early. My nuts have been sore, which is supposed to be normal when they start “waking up” from being shut-down. It kind of feels like someone kicked me in the junk, but without the nausea.
My bodyweight was 228 lbs. this morning so I’m pretty close to where I was when I cut weight for the tournament. Next time I’m going to plan things out a little better. I don’t think cutting weight or competing during PCT is a good idea. I need to do some more reading on how athletes plan their AAS cycles around competitions.
I was back in the gym today and had a pretty good workout. I realize now that I have to work out smarter if I want to keep building upon each cycle, and that means maintenance work during PCT. [/quote]
Well put. I think that is the entire game, trying to figure out how to keep gains, and build upon each cycle to continue progress. Doing it the safe way of staying off for a period of time to allow the body to “get back to normal” is smart and will ultimately keep any kind of issues at bay down the road.
I’m into my 5th week of PCT, and I’m getting acne on my shoulders only, nowhere else. Weird.
I don’t like being so conservative with my training right now, I want to do more.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I’m into my 5th week of PCT, and I’m getting acne on my shoulders only, nowhere else. Weird.
I don’t like being so conservative with my training right now, I want to do more.[/quote]
Hmm…a little acne eh. How bad would you say it is getting? How is your mood, libido etc.?
[quote]craig_4g63 wrote:
Jelly Roll wrote:
I’m into my 5th week of PCT, and I’m getting acne on my shoulders only, nowhere else. Weird.
I don’t like being so conservative with my training right now, I want to do more.
Hmm…a little acne eh. How bad would you say it is getting? How is your mood, libido etc.?
Craig
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There’s around 10-12 good zits on each shoulder, it probably wouldn’t be so bad if I hadn’t been picking at them. Today it seems better, I’ve been washing them with my wife’s exfoliating-scrub-stuff and leaving them alone.
My mood is pretty good, life is good, but I’m missing being on, lol! It’s hard to explain, but testosterone just made everything BETTER than good, like when you were 21 years old and indestructable. You’ll find out soon enough what I’m talking about Craig (good luck by the way on your adventure). Then I come on T-Nation here and read up on all you guys having fun with your chemical-enhancement, and I want it to be January already so I can start my second cycle, lol!
I’ve been thinking though that I might see if I can get my hands on some igf/mgf/ghrp6 for a 4 week peptide-cycle in December.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
craig_4g63 wrote:
Jelly Roll wrote:
I’m into my 5th week of PCT, and I’m getting acne on my shoulders only, nowhere else. Weird.
I don’t like being so conservative with my training right now, I want to do more.
Hmm…a little acne eh. How bad would you say it is getting? How is your mood, libido etc.?
Craig
There’s around 10-12 good zits on each shoulder, it probably wouldn’t be so bad if I hadn’t been picking at them. Today it seems better, I’ve been washing them with my wife’s exfoliating-scrub-stuff and leaving them alone.
My mood is pretty good, life is good, but I’m missing being on, lol! It’s hard to explain, but testosterone just made everything BETTER than good, like when you were 21 years old and indestructable. You’ll find out soon enough what I’m talking about Craig (good luck by the way on your adventure). Then I come on T-Nation here and read up on all you guys having fun with your chemical-enhancement, and I want it to be January already so I can start my second cycle, lol!
I’ve been thinking though that I might see if I can get my hands on some igf/mgf/ghrp6 for a 4 week peptide-cycle in December.
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Yea, I was contemplating this exact combo also, however IGF these days is ridiculously expensive. I’m going to wait it out to see if the price fluctuates downward as the “scare” of raw deal calms down.
Nothing much to report these days. 6 weeks of test-taper-PCT gone by without any side-effects. My muscles are SORE from training, but I’m in a good mood and I still want to hump.
I feel pretty much back to “normal” again, and although I’m stronger (and bigger) than before the cycle my body feels like it’s always been this way. Monday I was front-squatting 275 x 5 reps after doing power cleans with 235 x 5 reps, so my strength is sticking around. I just can’t handle as much volume as before. Now it’s 3-4 work sets for each lift instead of 10 or more, lol!
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Nothing much to report these days. 6 weeks of test-taper-PCT gone by without any side-effects. My muscles are SORE from training, but I’m in a good mood and I still want to hump.
I feel pretty much back to “normal” again, and although I’m stronger (and bigger) than before the cycle my body feels like it’s always been this way. Monday I was front-squatting 275 x 5 reps after doing power cleans with 235 x 5 reps, so my strength is sticking around. I just can’t handle as much volume as before. Now it’s 3-4 work sets for each lift instead of 10 or more, lol!
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Awesome man…I think the taper is a real gem of a protocol for hanging onto the gains after cycle. So you can see how each cycle should compound on the next, instead of spinning your wheels.
Good job Jelly Roll. I see a cycle I going to try myself If can PM the exact dosage and taper you used. Just so I can store it for my own use. No internet at home. Shhhh don’t tell the boss!
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
Good job Jelly Roll. I see a cycle I going to try myself If can PM the exact dosage and taper you used. Just so I can store it for my own use. No internet at home. Shhhh don’t tell the boss![/quote]
PM on it’s way dirtbag. I’ll post it up here again as well.
weeks 1-3: 100 mg.
weeks 4-5: 75 mg.
weeks 6-7: 50 mg.
week 8: 25 mg.
with 0.25 mg. EOD of Arimidex throughout. Then nolvadex for week 9 at 20 mg. ED and 10 mg. ED for week 10.
I’m using insulin syringes for the injections since they are easier to measure doses.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Good job Jelly Roll. I see a cycle I going to try myself If can PM the exact dosage and taper you used. Just so I can store it for my own use. No internet at home. Shhhh don’t tell the boss!
PM on it’s way dirtbag. I’ll post it up here again as well.
weeks 1-3: 100 mg.
weeks 4-5: 75 mg.
weeks 6-7: 50 mg.
week 8: 25 mg.
with 0.25 mg. EOD of Arimidex throughout. Then nolvadex for week 9 at 20 mg. ED and 10 mg. ED for week 10.
I’m using insulin syringes for the injections since they are easier to measure doses.
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What size/gauge of insulin pin are you using? The smallest gauge I have ever used to inject oil is 25G, and I thought that took forever to inject. I’m curious, never really considered slin pins for small volume AAS injections.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
Jelly Roll wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
Good job Jelly Roll. I see a cycle I going to try myself If can PM the exact dosage and taper you used. Just so I can store it for my own use. No internet at home. Shhhh don’t tell the boss!
PM on it’s way dirtbag. I’ll post it up here again as well.
weeks 1-3: 100 mg.
weeks 4-5: 75 mg.
weeks 6-7: 50 mg.
week 8: 25 mg.
with 0.25 mg. EOD of Arimidex throughout. Then nolvadex for week 9 at 20 mg. ED and 10 mg. ED for week 10.
I’m using insulin syringes for the injections since they are easier to measure doses.
What size/gauge of insulin pin are you using? The smallest gauge I have ever used to inject oil is 25G, and I thought that took forever to inject. I’m curious, never really considered slin pins for small volume AAS injections.[/quote]
1/2", 29 gauge, 1 cc. I put the vial in a cup of almost boiling water to warm up the oil before withdrawing it. It takes 2-3 minutes to get it out, but only a few seconds to inject it in, that sweet elixir testosterone…
Something else I’ve noticed being off, is that I don’t feel as mentally “alert” as I did while on. It’s not a huge difference, maybe 5-10% below how I felt while taking test, but I can feel it. When I was on I felt really SHARP. Now that I’m back down to my normal T levels, I feel as I did before.
Not sure if this makes any sense to you guys out there in internet-land. Maybe some of the vets know what I’m talking about, I seem to remember reading somewhere that cognitive functions are affected by testosterone.
That’s it, just something going on (that I’m aware of).
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Something else I’ve noticed being off, is that I don’t feel as mentally “alert” as I did while on. It’s not a huge difference, maybe 5-10% below how I felt while taking test, but I can feel it. When I was on I felt really SHARP. Now that I’m back down to my normal T levels, I feel as I did before.
Not sure if this makes any sense to you guys out there in internet-land. Maybe some of the vets know what I’m talking about, I seem to remember reading somewhere that cognitive functions are affected by testosterone.
That’s it, just something going on (that I’m aware of).
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Conversely, I noticed a heightened sense of alertness now that I am on. So it isn’t just you. Different movies come to mind that appear to describe this, as well. In Fight Club Tyler Durden is talking about something like sizing up people where ever they go, and the narrator in 300 talks about the Spartans having a “heightened sense of things.”
All things considered, however, sounds like the taper is working for you the way it is supposed to. This makes me feel pretty good about employing it when my times comes. You’ve got to admit that what you are experiencing now must be better than a loss of strength and libido and a general feeling of irritability and unwellness.
Where do you inject with 1/2"? I’d love to try this if it works but I inject in the glutes. I’m told you need 1.5in for that. Even for the quads should be 1" I understand. Man sure would be nice not to have to use a 25g pin.
And how long do you leave it in the water? The heat doesn’t hurt it? I use Cypionate.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
1/2", 29 gauge, 1 cc. I put the vial in a cup of almost boiling water to warm up the oil before withdrawing it. It takes 2-3 minutes to get it out, but only a few seconds to inject it in, that sweet elixir testosterone…
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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Conversely, I noticed a heightened sense of alertness now that I am on. So it isn’t just you. Different movies come to mind that appear to describe this, as well. In Fight Club Tyler Durden is talking about something like sizing up people where ever they go, and the narrator in 300 talks about the Spartans having a “heightened sense of things.”
All things considered, however, sounds like the taper is working for you the way it is supposed to. This makes me feel pretty good about employing it when my times comes. You’ve got to admit that what you are experiencing now must be better than a loss of strength and libido and a general feeling of irritability and unwellness.[/quote]
Yes, Prisoner’s test-taper is going really well (not that I have any previous experience with coming off AAS). But from what I’ve seen and heard from the guys at the gym (and here on the forum), I seem to be doing pretty good. I’m settling in around 225 lbs. bodyweight and this morning I was squatting my pre-cycle PR for reps, so I’ve got nothing to complain about.
Stopped my arimidex yesterday and started my nolvadex today at 20 mg. Everything is copasetic.
[quote]aculpep wrote:
Where do you inject with 1/2"? I’d love to try this if it works but I inject in the glutes. I’m told you need 1.5in for that. Even for the quads should be 1" I understand. Man sure would be nice not to have to use a 25g pin.
And how long do you leave it in the water? The heat doesn’t hurt it? I use Cypionate.
Jelly Roll wrote:
1/2", 29 gauge, 1 cc. I put the vial in a cup of almost boiling water to warm up the oil before withdrawing it. It takes 2-3 minutes to get it out, but only a few seconds to inject it in, that sweet elixir testosterone…
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I’ve been injecting into my shoulders with the 1/2" for my PCT and it hasn’t given me any problems. Could be because of less volume or the the smaller needle, not sure. I tried shooting into my shoulders and thighs before this while I was on, and I didn’t like it. I just chose the shoulders now because there is less fat to go through to get to the muscle.
I don’t think the heat would hurt my test, as far as I could tell, the test was working great for me. I just put a quarter cup of water in the microwave for 40-50 seconds, then I put my vial in the water for a minute or two before I withdraw the warm oil.
My nuts are noticeably “plumper” after just a few days of the nolvadex. And my wife says there’s more volume to my ejaculate now that I’m off AAS (I told her that’s probably because I was blowing my load 3-4 times a day while I was on, I didn’t let my sperm-tanks ever fill up to full, lol). Anyway, my libido is back to where it was pre-cycle, I’m fine with having sex every 2-3 days, whereas when I was on I wanted it all-day-every-day.
Great updates throughout, I really appreciate the effort!
I’m in week 12 of 12, to begin taper next week. I’m certainly hoping to have the same experience you had/are having.
I did the same as you, increased the amounts of test over the last two weeks. I’ve noticed a fluctuation in teste size over the course – you? It wasn’t a continuous shrinkage per se, but it seemed a pretty dramatic fluctuation. I didn’t really notice any pattern to it, though…as in you were saying about the 3-4 a day usage versus coming off. I did laugh out loud at that description. And how exactly did she measure the amount…
Great updates throughout, I really appreciate the effort!
I’m in week 12 of 12, to begin taper next week. I’m certainly hoping to have the same experience you had/are having.
I did the same as you, increased the amounts of test over the last two weeks. I’ve noticed a fluctuation in teste size over the course – you? It wasn’t a continuous shrinkage per se, but it seemed a pretty dramatic fluctuation. I didn’t really notice any pattern to it, though…as in you were saying about the 3-4 a day usage versus coming off. I did laugh out loud at that description. And how exactly did she measure the amount…
Anyway, good to hear from you again.
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Hey 5.0, for me it was similar to what you described. Once on cycle my nuts got smaller, but they didn’t stay at a consistent size, they went a bit up-down-up-down throughout. Once they started growing back on PCT it seemed the same way, in-consistent “fluctuation” one day to the next, as they got back into making my home-made testosterone again.
Now the nolvadex has filled them right out to almost pre-cycle size already (according to my wife’s “measuring cup” lol).
If can PM the exact dosage and taper you used. Just so I can store it for my own use. No internet at home. Shhhh don’t tell the boss!