Hey everyone!
My name is Vasilis and i am from Greece i am 19 years old i ll turn 20 January. My height is 187cm/6feet1 and my weight is 77kg/170lbs current. I workout for about 5 years and generaly all my life i was an athletic person.From when i was a little kid i was admiring the guys with big muscles and that was the reason to fall in love with bodybuilding and wanting to make a carreer competing(classic physique).Having that dream i knew that getting into gear was inevitable and seeing that Chris Bumstead is only 21 years old and has went so far i decided that now its my time to use steroids so i can finaly start my journey.
My plans are to compete after i finish my college so that will be around age 23-25 that means i have plenty of time to prepare.
I know it was not necessary to type all of that but i wanted you to have a general idea about who i am and what i want,my goals are not to impress girls but to compete i take it serius and i know that steroids are bad for my health and i might cause serius problems at my body and whatever happens to me its my responsibility so dont be afraid to give me advices or dont try to convice me not to get into gear, its pointless.
So after i made these things clear we can start talk business
My first cycle will be Dbol+Test e or c depends on what the guy that i will buy the stuff from have.(do you thing test c or e will have a difference in gains?)
500mg of test twice a week Mon/Friday is my idea
But i dont know how much dbol should i get since its my first cycle. I want to go light with dbol for start so i dont know if i should go with 20mg/25mg or 30mg what is your opinion here?
Also i dont know if i am prone to gyno,i am sure i will be prone to some acne. In case i get gyno or acne can i deal with these using nolva or do i need to use arimidex?If yes what doses should i daily take?
Also what pct should i do after 14 days of my last test injection? I heard 40/40/20/20 is good enough
Thanks in advance everyone thats for now,i still have hundreds of questions but for now i ll ask these
500mg twice a week or 500mg split up into two doses? I wasn’t clear about that from what you posted.
The recommendation for a first cycle is always test-only. You don’t know how you’ll react to it and what side effects you’ll get, so you never add more compounds on your first run.
Dbol is a great tool, but save it for your second run.
There’s no noticeable difference between test e and test c. They’re close enough in half-life and ester weight, and they’ll basically work at the same pace. Test e will work a little faster, but not enough to make any difference to you.
Just use test and you can probably get fantastic results without dehydromethyltestosterone (yup, dbol is c-17AA EQ). As to advice, take support supps, get enough cardiovascular exercise (aerobic), practice safe injection site techniques, make sure you know what you are getting (aren’t AAS legal in Greece?)
Are you SURE you want to do this, there isn’t really any going back after you start using AAS, most are intoxicated by the results and therefore it becomes a potentially lifelong journey, starting with a presumably fully functioning endocrine system isn’t the greatest idea on the planet, however I understand you’re desire to compete. Be very, very careful mate. You can probably get by with less than 500mg for a 1st cycle, 400mg will net great gains and generally a less is more approach is a better way to approach taking steroids, take the minimum amount you need in order to get from point A to point B. It has been shown blasting senseless high dosages does give better results, however there is a cut-off point where diminishing returns kick in and harm to oneself increases (look at Boston Lloyd). I’m not encouraging you to do this, however I know you are going to use regardless (just like I am, however my case is slightly different), therefore I’d like to see you use in a way that minimises the potential harms done.
On a side note, if afterwards you don’t recover and require trt for the rest of your life, are you willing to accept the possibility of such a consequence, being dependant on needles until the day you die. Otherwise, have fun, be safe, take care
what i wanted to say is 250mg twice a week
Arent the sides of dbol and test the same? both shut down your natural test production both cause acne baldness etc only difference dbol harms your liver too right?
I understand your logic to save the dbol for second cycle since if i use it now then what i ll do in cycle 2?
I am very confused on what to do and i really want to get into dbol so i can start hard since i dont want slow results i want them to be faster than average in order to reach my competing physique faster (always assuming that my diet and workout will be on point)
Thanks for the information i really couldnt see the difference between them, now i know
what do you mean by practice injection site techniques?
I will consider your advice about the dbol as the other guy said too.
You are the one with the experience not me and if you say it then this must be the right thing to do.
There is no way i am not going to use gears since my dreams require them. I really want to make kids this is the only fear that i have but i ll play with the chances since they are in my favor. Rarely people suffer from these side effects. THe majority is able to activate again their testosterone production.
400mg only? is it worth to shut down my natural production for 400mg? Everyone i see(read) is going for the 500mg
Because dbol and testosterone both aromatise you’ll be fighting that battle on two fronts instead of one. (Insert comment about the battle of Thermopylae because you’re from Greece) If you start to get e2 related side effects you won’t know if it’s because of the dbol or the test, you won’t lnow if it’s dose-dependent, and it’ll be harder to manage. For your first cycle you want as few variables as possible so you can control your body’s reaction as much as possible.
Will it kill you to run 20mg dbol on your first cycle? No, of course not. It’s likely to be a non-event. But you don’t know for sure. Until you know how you react to one hormone you shouldn’t add others at the same time. It’s just a harm reduction technique. You’re a young guy, so running a cycle is already ill-advised. But if your goal is to compete and to chase that dream then you should do it only if you’re willing to follow best practices and not be in a hurry. Nobody goes from where you are to stage-ready in one cycle. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. You can’t rush the hands of time. So be smart, be safe, and plan things so that there are as few variables as possible.
What you say makes sense and i will follow your advice
I need to change my mindset,i ll keep repeating to myself what you said “its a marathon not sprint” you are so right there is no point to be in a hurry.
what about pct? and if i get gyno during cycle how can i deal with it? Can i use nolva to lower my estrogen levels or do i need arimidex or something like that?
Btw a serius problem i am dealing with
Today was a leg day and it went horrible i had to stop at the 3rd excercise cause of stomach problems i was so close to throw up. It happens really often to feel deezy and having stomach problems during leg workout.How can i deal with that? Am i doing something wrong?
i ate some homemade food red meat and fried potatoes. I always drink water at my workouts
The thing is that it happens almost always so i doubt is the food.But i am suspecting that water causes the stomach problems since i drink alot. But i dont know what might cause the dizziness…anyone else has this problem? I might make a new thread talking about that if i dont find a solution soon
It’s got to be something physiological that causes it to happen when you put your legs under a certain amount of strain and at certain angles. Something nerve-related, maybe? Way out of my core competencies, but there are a few doctors roaming around here who could maybe be of assistance.
My guess is that your blood sugar is going low on leg day. Steak and fried potatoes isn’t what I would consider a typical pre-workout meal. Try some replacing that meal with something like white rice and some whey protein and sipping on some Plazma during your workout. I bet you’ll feel better.
77kg at 187 is still pretty small, you can easily gain another 10kg in due time. Don’t use the Dbol since your thin your going to balloon up quick and lose it quick. Why have a “guy” to get stuff from when your in Greece? I was there (Athens) less than a year ago and bought Arimidex in the pharmacy no prescription, they had ampules of Test also and tamoxifen, so you can just go there and buy normally no?
The stomach problems is just improper meal timing, dont eat a huge fatty meal keep it simple.
whatever you say weeb keep hating me because we had a different opinion in another thread.
need to search about that,havent heard it can cause these symptoms
sounds legit what you say here i will try next time to eat what you said and update the topic
Thanks for the advice
I am actually light boned,everyone thinks i am much heavier because i look heavier in person but i am only 77.
I am going to lose the water gains quickly(not the muscles right? considering i do a proper diet an workout to maintain the size) which i dont care in the first place anyway. But it doesnt matter now since they convinced me to just do only test cycle.
Its pretty expensive to buy test from the pharmacy and i dont have the money to do it.The guy is trustworthy i know him years and i will take the test he is taking for 10 years now, he isnt just a random guy a met online. As for the arimidex and nolvadex these i ll buy them from the pharmacy
I also have a very small bone structure, I’m 70kg and 5,5 , I consider myself to be small in stature as well as the amount of muscle mass I have, however one can still get bigger with a small bone structure, just takes more time
ofc you can get bigger. And in my opinion i think its good to have bones that do not weight much when it comes to bodybuilding because think about it you can get more muscle weight.
But i might be wrong i have no idea i am just using my logic
It depends, if you have favorable muscle insertions the hypothesis is that one will look better with less muscle mass as their small bone structure will make their muscles “pop” more when shirtless, however this is broscience but I believe there is something to it.
Check this guy out, he has very small wrists and ankles, however he is very muscular, he probably doesn’t weigh as much as the bigger boned competitors however he looks very, very impressive. His muscle mass looks attentuated, like a superhero you’d see in a comic book
Also by sterile injection techniques I was talking about alcohol swabs, needle aspiration etc. I’ll post a detailed instruction on how to inject tommorow
I agree with you with light bones you cam creat the illusion that you are bigger than the next to you when you actually have less muscle. The bad thing is that light bone people have less strenght,at least this is what i have realised from personal experience and from friends
Thanks big time. i will be waiting for your instructions so i can bookmark them.
