So I’ve decided to join the big boys league (admittedly with a long way to go).
I’ve started my very first cycle and I’m currently running 500mg test with 500mg of deca injected twice a week.
I have had a couple of questions which I’ve been struggling to find the answers for:
I have bought a SERN (20mg Tamoxifen) tucked away incase my estrogen levels get to high and I start developing tits (unfortunately very easily distracted and fear I wouldn’t get anything done if this being the case). Should I run this as part of my cycle on a weekly basis?
Also does running SERN’s negatively impact muscle gains if taken?
For a first cycle this is terrible. Cut the doses in half. Fir a first cycle you really should be running test only but that ship has sailed i guess.
It’s a SERM, not a SERN. Know what your taking about. You should be running an AI so you don’t get to the point of growing tits.
It’s clear you have 0 idea what your doing and prob should not be using drugs.
These questions your asking should have been asked prior to starting.
First off, good for you for bringing your questions. In the future, it would be good to find these answers before you start because if you are dealing with any side effects it is helpful to have a sense of what might be causing them.
A few questions for you:
What’s your lifting experience?
What’s your current height/weight? Age?
What are your goals?
How many weeks in are you?
How long are you planning your cycle to be?
What are you planning to do at the end of your cycle (post cycle therapy? Blast and cruise?
Answering these questions will help people give you recommendations going forward. Unfortunately, some of the responses you will get will not be the most friendly because the plan so far is a bit reckless. But let’s improve on that!
My favorite foundation for all AAS cycles was 200mg/wk of testosterone cypionate and 200mg/wk of Deca. And I always used a low dose of an oral (20mg/day)
Cut both doses in half(250test/250deca) starting next injection. Consider what you have already done “front loading”.
Ai should be arimidex 1mg/wk to start and see where you are with bloodwork.
Thank you for your guidance. In answer to your questions:
I’m 196cm tall weighing 112.4kg. My goals are to get as big as physical possible and to see what I can achieve with my genetics.
I’ve been back into the gym for 8 months now exercising twice a day. Early mornings for heavy lifting and evenings for light cardio to keep me occupied.
In regards to my calories I eating slightly under 5000 with the help of a mass gainer and 6 meals a day.
My first cycle I was thinking of running for 10 weeks and then coasting until my next cycle.
My current stages of cycle have looked as follows:
Week 1
500mg Test p/w
Week 2
500mg Test p/w
Week 3
1000mg Test p/w
1000mg Deca p/w
Tamoxifen 40mg p/w (2 x tabs a week taken 24 hours after injections).
Week 4
1000mg Test p/w
1000mg Deca p/w
Tamoxifen 40mg p/w (2 x tabs a week taken 24 hours after injections).
Admittedly realising now that week 3 and 4 are ridiculous.
Just trying to work out now as to what my next steps are for my build and goals but getting some great advice so hopefully will get there very soon.
Hope you’re not for real. I’d run this as @s.gentz stated or possibly even keeping Test in the 4-500mg range but the Deca half that. Absolutely do not do what you’ve alluded to above
This is terrible and abusive. 0 idea what your doing here.
Drop the doses at least in half if not more. You first cycle should be
4-500mg/wk test only.
Lets see a pick of the physique that warrants this type of use.
Thanks for fleshing things out a bit. I think you are getting some really good advice from some very experienced guys here… I would strongly encourage you to take it.
500mg… why? This is proposed on r/steroids in their beginner cycle with an attitude of “why not?”
In medicine, there is a concept of minimum effective therapeutic dose. What is the LEAST amount of drug a person can take to see a desired outcome? If you read through several posts from the guys responding to you, you will see they sometimes see little difference in response from 140mg compared to 500mg of test. At the higher dose, you are increasing the likelihood of exposing yourself to negative side effects.
I absolutely understand the enthusiasm of a first cycle. But you are looking at doses that are like blowing a door open with dynamite when you have the key.
I strongly encourage you to stick to test. My first cycle I had an allergic reaction to testosterone cypionate. It got worse with every injection. Because i was only using ONEnew substance, I was able to focus my research into the problem and troubleshoot with clarity. I tried testosterone enanthate and it works for me. If you add deca, you won’t know what potion is causing what problem.
You have great starting stats and it sounds like you have strong motivation and good habits. This is your foundation. Build on it. This is your first cycle. You’ll make great gains. Let’s say you add 20-30lbs. Give your body time to adapt to the increased demands of that tissue. Reflect on how your cycle went, what you liked and didn’t like. Read about other compounds and people’s experience with them. Find people that post frequently about the good and the bad, and look for people who seem to have bodies that respond similar to yours.
I would love to continue hearing how your cycle goes and it would be great to see progress pics!
