My Experience With Deca...

Pharma / TRT
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Gentlemen:

I recently completed my first foray into AAS. I freely admit that I did not use Test in my first cycle due to a deep(perhaps misguided)fear of hair loss. As the lion’s share of my reading suggested that Deca, Var and Primo were the least aggressive on the hairline, I chose to do those compounds without the Test on a “shorter” cycle, notwithstanding the potential suppression issues. I’ve already been flamed hard for that decision, so please forego any undue criticism as I have already heard it all.

I was prepared to do a 10 week cycle. However, the feedback I received from some of you and others along the way, caused me to rethink my approach, hence, the shortness of the cycle.

Info at start of cycle:
6’2"
210 lbs
33" waist
Somewhat defined core.

End of cycle:
222lbs
32" waist
Much more defined core.

NOTE** [I did GH at 10iu/week for the first 6 weeks and then 15 iu/week ever since and am still on GH for at least 3 more months]

I had to go back and re-look at my calendar and saw that I ended up just short of 8 weeks on my cycle. Weeks 1, 2 and 3, I did Deca at 200 mg/week, and Var at 30 mg/day. Weeks 4, 5 and 6, I did Deca at 300 mg/week and Primo at 300 mg/week. Weeks 7 and 8 I did Deca at 400 mg/week and Primo at 400 mg/week.

I gained about 12 lbs lean muscle and lost an inch in my waist. My bench went up from 275x2 to 300x3.

I am three weeks out now from my last pin and just yesterday started Clomid/Nolva PCT.

I did NOT experience deca dick whatsoever.
I had NO gyno at all.
I had NO hairline issue whatsoever.
I had some minor acne issues.
I was VERY lethargic for the first three weeks, then fine.
I had some ball shrinkage. They are still smaller but working fine.
My libido went through the floor. ;(
I had some redness/warmth/itching at injection sites for the first 2-3 weeks but it subsided completely after that.

I was encouraged by MY deca usage, but I have heard horror stories from others. Why such a gulf of side effects between users of Deca without Test.

I WOULD APPRECIATE RESPECTFUL FEEDBACK.
Thanks

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Although you got descent results I still feel that a test only cycle could yield even better results and would cost you a lot less.

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[quote]IAAN wrote:
Gentlemen:

I recently completed my first foray into AAS. I freely admit that I did not use Test in my first cycle due to a deep(perhaps misguided)fear of hair loss. As the lion’s share of my reading suggested that Deca, Var and Primo were the least aggressive on the hairline, I chose to do those compounds without the Test on a “shorter” cycle, notwithstanding the potential suppression issues. I’ve already been flamed hard for that decision, so please forego any undue criticism as I have already heard it all.

I was prepared to do a 10 week cycle. However, the feedback I received from some of you and others along the way, caused me to rethink my approach, hence, the shortness of the cycle.

Info at start of cycle:
6’2"
210 lbs
33" waist
Somewhat defined core.

End of cycle:
222lbs
32" waist
Much more defined core.

NOTE** [I did GH at 10iu/week for the first 6 weeks and then 15 iu/week ever since and am still on GH for at least 3 more months]

I had to go back and re-look at my calendar and saw that I ended up just short of 8 weeks on my cycle. Weeks 1, 2 and 3, I did Deca at 200 mg/week, and Var at 30 mg/day. Weeks 4, 5 and 6, I did Deca at 300 mg/week and Primo at 300 mg/week. Weeks 7 and 8 I did Deca at 400 mg/week and Primo at 400 mg/week.

I gained about 12 lbs lean muscle and lost an inch in my waist. My bench went up from 275x2 to 300x3.

I am three weeks out now from my last pin and just yesterday started Clomid/Nolva PCT.

I did NOT experience deca dick whatsoever.
I had NO gyno at all.
I had NO hairline issue whatsoever.
I had some minor acne issues.
I was VERY lethargic for the first three weeks, then fine.
I had some ball shrinkage. They are still smaller but working fine.
My libido went through the floor. ;(
I had some redness/warmth/itching at injection sites for the first 2-3 weeks but it subsided completely after that.

I was encouraged by MY deca usage, but I have heard horror stories from others. Why such a gulf of side effects between users of Deca without Test.

I WOULD APPRECIATE RESPECTFUL FEEDBACK.
Thanks

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the first Deca cycle should have very minimal effect on your libido.

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
Although you got descent results I still feel that a test only cycle could yield even better results and would cost you a lot less. [/quote]

Hey 2the pain:

I am convinced you are absolutely right with respect to the Test. Most expecially with the cost of Var and Primo.

I agree that my results were “decent” at best, but it felt great to see muscle going on and fat coming off…

I also failed to mention that I experienced minimal bloating with the deca. Aside from the cost, other than the bloat and possible hairline issues, any other significant sides I could expect form a Test E only cycle?

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[quote]Joe Joseph wrote:

the first Deca cycle should have very minimal effect on your libido.[/quote]

Hey Joe Joseph:

I also was expecting none, but, in fact, it spiked for about 2 weeks and then , bam, gone…

It was the only significant change I noticed???

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Thanks for feeding back.

I am not too surprised that you recounted the experience as you did. Your gains and sides are as expected really.

You say you had no deca dick, yet your libido went through the floor.

It seem to me to be a somewhat moot point that you could get an erection when you had zero urge to use it.

DHT supports the libido, but I guess not enough in this case. A little test would have been excellent for this.

I’m glad you had no hairloss. Now since Primo is a DHT derivative, I thought it was supposed to be worse on the hairline than test. Irrespective, the fact that you had zero hairloss, means that you are not genetically programmed that way. Next time, you should feel confidant to run some test, no?

I don’t mean to denigrate you in any way (because I like your style of posting and your temperament), but your results could have been disprotionally greater and you would have had a more lustful time, with no hairloss, by including test.

I would say that your experience is fairly typical of a non-test deca cycle. Which is why we here generally advise against that sort of thing.
Bushy[/quote]

Hey Bushy:

I Truly appreciate your input! I have to say, you elicited a SERIOUS chuckle from me when I read your “to be a somewhat moot point that you could get an erection when you had zero urge to use it” comment…SO TRUE! :<)

I suppose being divorced at 46 and lacking interest in that delicate dance [most likely due to the fact that I’m working out so much] does, indeed, “moot” the libido issue… Priorities, priorities!

I am certain a Test based cycle woudl have yielded much more serious gains. You guys have already firmly convinced me of that truism.

As to your comment about Primo being worse on the hairline than Test…If I had any reasonable belief (you are beginning to sway me btw) that my reaction to TEST would be no more severe than the Primo, Deca or Var, I would jump in with both feet, laughing all the way…

The problem for me has been that there is no ONE definitive source to look to for the answers to many of these questions, including books, internet and the vast experience of thousands of AAS users. One says one thing, another-something else, a third- a hybrid of the first two, and a fourth-something altogether devoid of the first three? AAAGGGHHH!

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Please enlighten me, fellers. I was under the impression that gains from deca were partly from fluid retention. Is it dosage determined? Please note that I’m asking in the most humble manner.

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why not just run test along with something like proscar/finesteride so that you are blocking the DHT conversion if you are that worried about your hair?

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I have never understood why anyone would be so bothered about hairloss, it is an insignificant side effect of AAS as far as I’m concerned.

Do people belive they will wake up bald after one injection?

I have run 7 courses of test and suffered no hair loss.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
IAAN, i’m glad you took my post in the spirit it was intended :wink:

Now my point about hairloss is this:

ALL steroids will cause some degree of hairloss in those prone to hairloss.

The fact that you experienced ZERO hairloss, means that you can run any steroid and not lose any hair.

Well, you will lose a few, just like I do, but they regrow. Or their numbers are so trivial that you can’t notice the losses, even after years of steroid use.

Hey Bushy:

Thanks for that explanation. It does make sense as a global proposition, however, I will admit that my concern was based on the assumption that some AAS caused hairloss much more agressively than others…i.e. it was more so the gear than the individual taking it…??
Thoughts?

iaan

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
why not just run test along with something like proscar/finesteride so that you are blocking the DHT conversion if you are that worried about your hair?[/quote]

Hey FuriousGeorge:

Thanks for the suggestion. I have read a number of threads on this topic too, but have not run across any one who has actually run the proscar during a Test cycle in order to give meaningful feedback on its efficacy.

Do you know any one who has done this with any measure of success?

(btw- is your moniker a tribute to Lynch? I am a huge fan of his)…

iaan

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Thanks bushy! As for the hairloss concern. I hate having to get haircuts, I wouldn’t mind. Doesn’t your mother’s side of the family determine whether or not you’re predispositioned? If so, I’m going bald come first pin of Test E.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Yes yes, some steroids are of course worse than otheres, but if you experienced “zero” loss on the steroids you took, then you will experience “zero” on any steroids.

What I mean is, the steroids you took revealed you to NOT be genetically prone to AAS-induced hairloss. Therefore you can pretty much take any steroid you want, with ‘follicular impunity’.

Bushy[/quote]

“Follicular Impunity” I love it! What thoughts do you have on the proscar approach? I’ll have to re-read, but I thought it had stated somewhere that the proscar would cause more hairloss when taking certain AAS (maybe it was deca)…

iaan

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I was reading some interesting stuff high anabolic / low androgenic AAS like deca, some poeple claim that most bodybuilders of 70 s use to run cycles that were high in deca an low test

Ex: 400 test, 800 deca

Later on I’ll make thread on this so you guys can give me your opinions

(sorry for the lil hijacking)

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[quote]Agon wrote:

I was reading some interesting stuff high anabolic / low androgenic AAS like deca, some poeple claim that most bodybuilders of 70 s use to run cycles that were high in deca an low test

Ex: 400 test, 800 deca

Later on I’ll make thread on this so you guys can give me your opinions

(sorry for the lil hijacking)

[/quote]

No Problem Agon:

I was just trying to recall which AAS were not harmonic to run with proscar type products.

iaan

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
I have never understood why anyone would be so bothered about hairloss, it is an insignificant side effect of AAS as far as I’m concerned.

Do people belive they will wake up bald after one injection?

I have run 7 courses of test and suffered no hair loss.

[/quote]

Hey EE:

I can appreciate your point of view.

I do understand that it is not a “one injection” issue…and I can unabashedly admit that I am vain enough to be bothered about the contingency of hair loss.

I think you make two important points in your post…
One, that some are NOT bothered by hairloss, regardless of the severity (or lack thereof) from any given cycle; and, Two, your experience has yielded NO hair loss.

My reading tells me that hair loss is almost unavoidable with certain AAS (Test being one of those, for the predisposed). Yet, I think Bushy may be right about my non-predilection for AAS induced hair loss.

I am leaning towards trying a run of Test E with Proscar just to be safe(r)…?..
Can I ask you your thoughts on running proscar, or the like, with Test.

iaan