My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
zdrax wrote:
One quick question before I leave for work. I understand the recommended carb loading guidelines as 36 hours, starting at lunch Friday and going until Saturday evening. Are there any adjustments needed to what you eat earlier on Friday - I was under the assumption that high levels of fat with lots of carbs in the bloodstream is a no no. Given that you’ll be shifting from fat to carbs inside of one day, is there anything one needs to be worried about with respect to the types of foods consumed? Or am I overthinking this?

The carb loading doesn’t necessarily lasts the hole 36 hours but as long as
you need depending on your goals (fat loss, maintain, bulk) and the amount of carbs consumed.

Also, you don’t shift from fat to carbs. You continue to burn fat during the load (nice, huh?) and you stuff carbs into your glycogen stores.

Here’s a tricky point: if you eat more carbs than you need to fill those stores, the excess CHO will head to your fat cells (spill-over). This extra energy might be desirable when bulking though.

Experience and sensitivity to body signs will help to find where this point of transition is.[/quote]

That’s not what I was asking. I’m asking at the onset of the load, should I be eating high fat and protein up to the load? It just doesn’t seem like a good idea (coming from a “traditional” nutritional background) to combine a bunch of carbs and fats all in one day (i.e. eating lots of fats up until say 2pm on a Friday then jumping into carbs a few hours later). Maybe I’m fundamentally misunderstanding something about the diet.

hey guys
whats the deal with sugar alchols? i remember when i was reading through this thread something about it mentioned but i can t remeber. so the question is do sugar alchols count?

[quote]zdrax wrote:
That’s not what I was asking. I’m asking at the onset of the load, should I be eating high fat and protein up to the load? It just doesn’t seem like a good idea (coming from a “traditional” nutritional background) to combine a bunch of carbs and fats all in one day (i.e. eating lots of fats up until say 2pm on a Friday then jumping into carbs a few hours later). Maybe I’m fundamentally misunderstanding something about the diet. [/quote]

I think your question WAS answered. In the “traditional” nutritional thinking where burning carbs for fuel is a given, when your glycogen stores were full (which is the case most of the time during the day) all the excess nutrients (carbs, fat, protein) were converted to fat thus making C+F meals a no-no due to their bigger pure energy load compared to other meal combinations.

When burning fat for fuel (and have your glycogen levels low like before the carbload) every gram of carbs you take is converted to glycogen in the muscles and liver until those depots are filled, no matter what other nutrient is in your stomach and blood. (you still burn fat for your activities despite consuming carbs).

AFTER high glycogen levels are restored, more C+F meals are indeed a bad idea, since the extra carbs will make you fatter but, hey, that’s when the carbload ends.

[quote]mikemazz wrote:
hey guys
whats the deal with sugar alchols? i remember when i was reading through this thread something about it mentioned but i can t remeber. so the question is do sugar alchols count?[/quote]

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=462241
Read the first part and figure it out for yourself.

hey all, just a little advice sought here (i know this was discussed a while back, but this thread is so huge, it’d take me hours to find it).

next wednesday night i have a social commitment that will force me to eat lots of carbs. i figure i should use this to try a mid-week carb load.

how should i adjust the following weekend’s carb-up? thanks.

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
zdrax wrote:
That’s not what I was asking. I’m asking at the onset of the load, should I be eating high fat and protein up to the load? It just doesn’t seem like a good idea (coming from a “traditional” nutritional background) to combine a bunch of carbs and fats all in one day (i.e. eating lots of fats up until say 2pm on a Friday then jumping into carbs a few hours later). Maybe I’m fundamentally misunderstanding something about the diet.

I think your question WAS answered. In the “traditional” nutritional thinking where burning carbs for fuel is a given, when your glycogen stores were full (which is the case most of the time during the day) all the excess nutrients (carbs, fat, protein) were converted to fat thus making C+F meals a no-no due to their bigger pure energy load compared to other meal combinations.

When burning fat for fuel (and have your glycogen levels low like before the carbload) every gram of carbs you take is converted to glycogen in the muscles and liver until those depots are filled, no matter what other nutrient is in your stomach and blood. (you still burn fat for your activities despite consuming carbs).

AFTER high glycogen levels are restored, more C+F meals are indeed a bad idea, since the extra carbs will make you fatter but, hey, that’s when the carbload ends.[/quote]

Thank you sir. That cleared up quite a lot. I appreciate it.

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it! I am chuckling to myself today because the scale this morning is up about 4lbs from 3 weeks ago (carbup today & tomorrow). My clothes fit the same and I look fine, so I must be GAINING MUSCLE! I’ve been kicking butt on the Waterbury Method and seeing some gains in my shoulders and pecs.

Now I need to decide if I want to keep cruising along like I have been without getting too technical and anal and make gains slowly, or do I really want to get precise and see if I can get really “ripped” (and possibly make myself a little crazy in the process).

Anyway, if a woman is putting on muscle with this diet, it should give some of you guys encouragement! :slight_smile:

I am on day 12 of the diet now. Up to now I don’t feel a “metabolic shift”, I did feel crappy the first three days that was it.
I feel good, strangely enough I don’t have carb cravings at all, allthough I can call myself a carboholic, so I guess that is good.

There’s one thing that makes me nervous though. I defenitely gained bodyfat. I try not to worry about it but I do! I’ve been very strict on the diet (f 55-60%-p35%- c >4%) About 1800-2000 calories per day. (I’m a 41 year old female). I lift weight 4 days a week and do hiit/cardio 4 days a week. My days are very activ anyway so I don’t think I should eat less calories.

I would really appreciate some encouregement though, I know I just started and probably have to adjust alot but any advise/feedback would be welcom!
thanks and have a nice weekend

im on day 6 of the diet and have been very strict to date. but,i made a bad lunch choice.i wasnt thinking and now im regretting it. i had a chinese rest boneless ribs. i totally didnt think about the sauce they put on it. i have searched the internet looking for carb info on boneless ribs and am not having any luck. im sure that put me over my 30.

so now what?i have i blowen all my hardwork or do i just suck it up and say move on and dont do it again. im hoping i dont defeat the purpose of the diet plan with one bad meal choice in my startup phase.

[quote]zdrax wrote:
Thank you sir. That cleared up quite a lot. I appreciate it.

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Anytime man. (Polite posters: this is really an outstanding thread…)

[quote]mikemazz wrote:
im on day 6 of the diet and have been very strict to date. but,i made a bad lunch choice.i wasnt thinking and now im regretting it. i had a chinese rest boneless ribs. i totally didnt think about the sauce they put on it. i have searched the internet looking for carb info on boneless ribs and am not having any luck. im sure that put me over my 30.

so now what?i have i blowen all my hardwork or do i just suck it up and say move on and dont do it again. im hoping i dont defeat the purpose of the diet plan with one bad meal choice in my startup phase.[/quote]

I’m no expert but IMO you worry way too much. Your goal is not a state of ketosis but having your body function with a lot less CHO than before. 30 gr is just an average low enough to burn fat and high enough not to enter ketosis.
Afterall it’s not like you ate a loaf of bread…

ok man you calmed me down.ill chill on worrying to much about the ribs. i just take things so seriously sometimes and this is one of them.lol thanks again

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
mikemazz wrote:
im on day 6 of the diet and have been very strict to date. but,i made a bad lunch choice.i wasnt thinking and now im regretting it. i had a chinese rest boneless ribs. i totally didnt think about the sauce they put on it. i have searched the internet looking for carb info on boneless ribs and am not having any luck. im sure that put me over my 30.

so now what?i have i blowen all my hardwork or do i just suck it up and say move on and dont do it again. im hoping i dont defeat the purpose of the diet plan with one bad meal choice in my startup phase.

I’m no expert but IMO you worry way too much. Your goal is not a state of ketosis but having your body function with a lot less CHO than before. 30 gr is just an average low enough to burn fat and high enough not to enter ketosis.
Afterall it’s not like you ate a loaf of bread…[/quote]

I have to agree here. The 30g of CHO, I feel, is pretty damn conservative. Some research shows you can actually reach a ketogenic state and then make a metabolic shift on as much as 100g of CHO. Not that I recommend you try going that high, but it is something to consider after you’ve become a “fat burner” so to speak.

I’ve taken the plunge! After messing with diets and different macronutrient splits, and having earlier entertained the idea of pursuing the AD way of eating, I actually rediscovered and stumbled into the AD.

I was on a work related trip for five weeks. My training schedule and diet went all to hell. I had been following your standard isocaloric diet, focusing on lots of fruits, veggies, lean protein, and good fats. My progress had more or less stalled. Due to a variety of issues which arose while I was away from home, my physique began to suffer. While I was gaining strength, I was also putting on some appreciable fat. I returned home from my extended stay a week ago.

I decided to then figure out on my own what diet would work best for me. I started manipulating my macronutrients, keeping track of how I felt during the day, how training was going, and general mood. On the first low-carb day (sub 75g), I felt fantastic. Now, I’ve always done well on lower carb diets both for mass gain and cutting purposes. I knew the AD was the grand daddy of this type of eating, so I tested the waters even further and integrated a few days of true AD style eating.

I crashed the evening of the second day, and awoke the third day a new man. I had more vigor and motivation that morning than ever, and to think I had nearly convinced myself that “this diet wasn’t for me” the night prior. A single cup of coffee lit me up! Combined with a healthy serving of eggs, sausages, and spinach, I was moving at speeds heretofore under of for me at 6:00am.

Not only was I benefitting physiologically (no more afternoon crashes!), but mentally I felt more stimulated. Work hummed along at an efficient and rapid pace, and my mood and confidence levels were at a place I’d never truly experienced before.

I doubt this was a psychosomatic reaction given that I had convinced myself that “this diet wasn’t for me,” and that I was simply hanging on just to confirm it. And let’s not even go into the workout. Normally I stall out about half way in to a heavy session of lower body work. Not so this time around! I hit PRs on both deadlift and decline bench.

I got in a solid five days of solid AD eating and hit a quick 6 hour carb up this evening before plunging in for the next twelve days. For those who have considered this diet and may be waffling, here are just a few of the results I’ve seen in just the past five days.

  • A decrease in obsession with food and increase in satiety. I don’t think about food any more. No carb cravings, and no random hunting in the fridge. And I am a VERY disciplined eater already. This has squashed all mental anxiety related to food. I find I can objectively look at how much food I’m intaking and manipulate it without undue strain. Waving calories normally has been very painful for me, but doing so on this diet is painless!

  • A decrease in stress! I’m a very high strung type A personality with minor OCD. I’ve noticed my OCD symptoms have subsided dramatically and I’m able to mitigate the stressors in my life more efficiently.

  • Improved mental acuity. I don’t feel run down, bogged, or drained. I feel very “awake” all day, and don’t have odd bursts of energy (say at 8pm at night). My diurnal cycle seems to have reset itself for the better.

  • Umm, my waist size has decreased by nearly an inch, and ab definition has increased while muscularity and strength have also shown significant gains. What else do you need?! Ooh, how about improved endurance during intense anaerobic activity (Muay Thai).

  • Improved mood. I feel more assertive and confident. Even my friends have made note that I’ve seemed more sociable this past week. And I’m damned sociable already! Although too be fair, my new job has eaten up a lot of my physical and mental time.

I’m eating between 2000 - 2500 calories per day. Here’s a sample of what I’ve eaten during the week:

Meal 1 : 3 whole eggs, 5 egg whites, 1 tbsp (natural) peanut butter, 1/4 tbsp butter, spinach

Meal 2 : 1 serving MD, 2 oz almonds

Meal 3 : 8 oz chicken breast, 1 1/2 oz walnuts, broccoli, cauliflower, limited amount of carrots

Meal 4 : 8 oz london broil, 1 tbsp olive oil, broccoli, cauliflower, limited amount of carrots

Meal 5 : (PWO), 2 serving MD, 2 tbsp peanut butter, 15 blueberries

Meal 6 : 1 oz almonds, 2 Flameout capsules, 5 fish oil capsules

My weekend carb up was pretty small, but I packed a lot in into a short time span.

From 3pm - 8pm this evening I had a big plate of Chinese Food (Mongolian Beef w/ steamed rice), 5 grapes, 1 1/2 cups of Raisin Bran with 2% milk, 1 full bag of fat free popcorn, and 1 whole wheat bagel with 1 tbsp natural jelly.

I need to read through the entirity of this thread and get ahold of Dr. D’s books and perhaps the NHE. I can’t wait for tomorrow’s workout and subsequent pump of doom! I’ll keep you updated!

A little reminder to the thread:

READ the Doc’s book. If you already have, read it AGAIN.

This morning, just before leaving for work, i waved through the Anabolic Solution looking for something i needed. I stumbled on the exact answers to the questions that have been asked on the thread the whole last two weeks.

That thing is packed with (sometimes hidden) information covering every little aspect of the diet and the problems one may encounter.

I think i underestimated it the first time i read it. Having been used to the hundreds of pages of similar diet-fitness crap books, i wasn’t imressed enough by its modest/little size. How shallow of me…

[quote]g.anagno wrote:
A little reminder to the thread:

READ the Doc’s book. If you already have, read it AGAIN.

This morning, just before leaving for work, i waved through the Anabolic Solution looking for something i needed. I stumbled on the exact answers to the questions that have been asked on the thread the whole last two weeks.

That thing is packed with (sometimes hidden) information covering every little aspect of the diet and the problems one may encounter.

I think i underestimated it the first time i read it. Having been used to the hundreds of pages of similar diet-fitness crap books, i wasn’t imressed enough by its modest/little size. How shallow of me…[/quote]

you’re right, and I’m gonna do it this weekend. I also think it makes a difference after my personal experience with the diet since now I can relate to certain things better.

I’ve been flipping through some threads this morning and came to a startling realization. Most of us are brainwashed, especially when it comes to cutting, at least from what I have been reading. People are starting cutting diets, or the AD or any other lo carb style diet, and when they lose a large amount of weight the first and second week, they panic. “I’m losing too fast, I’m losing muscle, etc.”

It seems that everyone either forgets the water equation or they just don’t know about it. The first week or two, you are going to lose alot of water weight. No reason to panic. IMHO, the 1-2lb guideline applies after a few week breakin period. At least for me it does. I know after a carb up, I pee ALOT the next day or two after returning to the normal lo carb weekly eating.

Quick update guys. Just finished the second day of my true induction phase (I’ve been low-carbing it for awhile and got in four < 30g CHO days last week before a 6 hour mini load on Friday, prior to my 12 day acclimation that began Sat. I crashed on the first day last week.). Funny story - I actually started crashing last night (end of the first day, who’d a thunk it). I had worked out, came home, and around 8pm starting feeling like absolute crap. I konked out at 9pm.

Woke up this morning and could tell I was still in the midst of my metabolic shift. I had a massive omlette with some canadian bacon. Some almonds for a snack and then fifteen deep fried chicken drumettes with Frank’s Red Hot. I can’t even remember the last time I had a food that was deep fried.

I went out for a light jog after lunch and started to physically break down. I couldn’t move my arms and legs - I felt like I was back in Middle School, trying to run the mile (i.e. I was NOT athletic then - I was tubby). I had a weight training workout scheduled with my lifting buddy two hours later.

Skip ahead, still feeling like crap. I struggle through three sets of bench pressing for twelve reps. I told my buddy I had to take a breather. After just five minutes of rest, I started feeling better. A lot better.

From that point in the workout on, energy just started coming in droves and I ended up getting one of the sickest pumps I’ve ever had. Absolutely ridiculous. I imagine it’s pretty rare to “complete” a metabolic shift mid-workout, but I did.

I’m back and rockin for the next ten days. By the way, I think this diet is improving my already stellar guitar playing. Rock and roll guys!

This Sunday something very strange happened.

Being fully fat adapted, I had a mid-week spike of 250 gr CHO (due to very demanding workouts), so i decided to limit the weekend carb-up to one day.

The funny thing is that i tried hard to consume 500 gr CHO during the day. Didn’t crave carbs at all which is very unusual for me. In fact i didn’t have any strong desire for any food i could imagine altogether. I ate only beacause i knew i had to and keeping in mind the notion of food as fuel for the body.

The realization of this fact made me happier than i would be from 5 lbs muscle gain.

For sometime now i try hard to break the strong bond between food and pleasure. Food IS pleasure but this doesn’t have to happen necessarily or every time you eat something.

Maybe this attitude is the key to any minor or major physical transformation. I feel like i made a big step forwards.

[quote]mikemazz wrote:
ok man you calmed me down.ill chill on worrying to much about the ribs. i just take things so seriously sometimes and this is one of them.lol thanks again[/quote]

Atkins reccomended the boneless chinese ribs…said that although they were basted in the sweet sauce, most of it is cooked off…I wouldn’t have thought that but hey, it’s his diet haha.
And, who is stricter with carbs that him? So, I eat them sometimes.