Only 199 more left under 2000. Ooops! 198!
I feel like I just conquered Mt. Everest by
[center]READING ALL 73 PAGES, 1800 POSTS, TODAY[/center]
This was also my first day on the AD.
Question: Has anybody had their blood tested before and after the diet?
I read both, how about that.
I saved the best of Disc Hoss’ posts because they contain tips and tricks not contained in the ebook.
wow, that’s a lot of reading. I read up to page 25 and then started at 66 again. But I’m still going to read the rest though.
I started last monday and feel VERY good. I felt like crap the first three days, like I had the flew and headaches. That’s all gone now.
I did a bloodtest about 3 months ago so I didn’t do it again. I plan to do it again after a few months into the diet.
good luck!!
Oboffill, I’m on top of Mt. Everest with u, because I just read the whole freakin thread today too! (yea, i was bored)
Short bio: was a hardcore bodybuilder during college. I’ve been out of school for about a year now, and in that year I’ve dropped from 160 to 130 pounds (I’m 5’5"). 2 main reasons for the drop: 1. I switched by training regimen from weights to strictly bodyweight exercises, and 2. After encountering numerous health problems from following a standard bodybuilder’s diet and supplement routine, I’ve been experimenting with various diets.
For the past 10 months, I’ve followed a raw food diet consisting of raw meat, raw dairy, fruits, and vegetables. I’ve seen amazing improvements in my physical health, especially my endurance. 2 months ago, I began intermittent fasting, eating only 1 meal a day, and I saw further improvements. 1 month ago, I began following a “paleo” low-carb version of my diet, eating only raw meat, raw animal fat, and a small amount of non-starchy vegetables (75-80% cal from fat, <20 g carbs).
(Please note, I’m not trying to “push” my lifestyle, just giving a background)
My physical strength continues to increase, despite eating only 1 meal a day. However, I do miss the way I looked back in college, and I am going to see if the Anabolic Diet will help me gain mass, while still adhering to my current guidelines.
Although I’m sure most of u on this board are vehemently opposed to my lifestyle, I hope we can both learn from each other! 
This is my proposed food guideline:
Sunday-Monday
1 pound raw meat
3 ounces bone marrow
1 TB coconut oil
1 TB olive oil
1 TB cod liver oil
1 TB raw honey
This is about 1895 calories total, about 75% fat and 25 g carbs.
I’m planning on doing a Saturday carb-load of 2500 calories total. I planning on 60% carbs, 30% fat, and 10% protein. I was planning on eating a lot of fruit, but after reading the posts debating fructose vs. glucose, I am planning on gorging on potatoes, brown rice, and beans.
Since I’ve been on <20 carbs for about a month now, I am goig to do my first carb-load next Saturday.
Any input would be much appreciated! Although I would prefer input concerning my ratios/numbers as related to the Anabolic Diet, and NOT any of my lifestyle choices that differ from yours.
Long post I know, but this is my first post, and I’ve gotta say I’m VERY impressed with all the knowledge I see on this board.
-John
[quote]1amagico wrote:
Oboffill, I’m on top of Mt. Everest with u, because I just read the whole freakin thread today too! (yea, i was bored)
Short bio: was a hardcore bodybuilder during college. I’ve been out of school for about a year now, and in that year I’ve dropped from 160 to 130 pounds (I’m 5’5"). 2 main reasons for the drop: 1. I switched by training regimen from weights to strictly bodyweight exercises, and 2. After encountering numerous health problems from following a standard bodybuilder’s diet and supplement routine, I’ve been experimenting with various diets.
For the past 10 months, I’ve followed a raw food diet consisting of raw meat, raw dairy, fruits, and vegetables. I’ve seen amazing improvements in my physical health, especially my endurance. 2 months ago, I began intermittent fasting, eating only 1 meal a day, and I saw further improvements. 1 month ago, I began following a “paleo” low-carb version of my diet, eating only raw meat, raw animal fat, and a small amount of non-starchy vegetables (75-80% cal from fat, <20 g carbs).
(Please note, I’m not trying to “push” my lifestyle, just giving a background)
My physical strength continues to increase, despite eating only 1 meal a day. However, I do miss the way I looked back in college, and I am going to see if the Anabolic Diet will help me gain mass, while still adhering to my current guidelines.
Although I’m sure most of u on this board are vehemently opposed to my lifestyle, I hope we can both learn from each other!
This is my proposed food guideline:
Sunday-Monday
1 pound raw meat
3 ounces bone marrow
1 TB coconut oil
1 TB olive oil
1 TB cod liver oil
1 TB raw honey
This is about 1895 calories total, about 75% fat and 25 g carbs.
I’m planning on doing a Saturday carb-load of 2500 calories total. I planning on 60% carbs, 30% fat, and 10% protein. I was planning on eating a lot of fruit, but after reading the posts debating fructose vs. glucose, I am planning on gorging on potatoes, brown rice, and beans.
Since I’ve been on <20 carbs for about a month now, I am goig to do my first carb-load next Saturday.
Any input would be much appreciated! Although I would prefer input concerning my ratios/numbers as related to the Anabolic Diet, and NOT any of my lifestyle choices that differ from yours.
Long post I know, but this is my first post, and I’ve gotta say I’m VERY impressed with all the knowledge I see on this board.
-John
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The only thing I’d drop is the honey. I’m not all that familiar with the macrobiotic style of eating…can you eat raw vegetables? If so, I’d try to get my fiber (and a few carbs) from there.
Damn. props on the 73 pages. I admit I cheated and skipped to the last page. I did this diet about 3 months ago and it worked great for about 6 weeks then my energy went dead. My problem was I tried to lower my carbs too much on the weekend loadup and man did it show. Works great though for stripping fat but for adding size I have created something much better. The best part I found about this diet was sleep. I could wipe out 12-15 hours of stone cold REM sleep every night.
Bump…as if…
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
The only thing I’d drop is the honey. I’m not all that familiar with the macrobiotic style of eating…can you eat raw vegetables? If so, I’d try to get my fiber (and a few carbs) from there.[/quote]
Thanks for the reply Cazzo. Well I’m not a macrobiotic, and to the question “can I eat raw vegetables?” Well I can eat whatever I want, I simply have some preferences.
Is there a reason you do not recommend honey, as related to the Anabolic Diet? My main reason for including it is that the benefit seems to be from keeping daily carbs at around 30 grams. An old post I remember called it “hovering near ketosis.” I’ve been eating an almost-0 carb diet for the past month, and I decided to add honey for the carbs. I could also use a piece of fruit, but honey is more economical.
But that leads me to my next question: has anyone had success from the Anabolic Diet while completely cutting out carbs during the week? It seems like a small amount is necessary during the week to get the anabolic effect from the carbload; has anyone gotten the same effect from 0 carbs during weekdays? Thanks!
0 carbs is a bad idea. You need to eat veggies to get your fiber intake.
Bump…
Question: Has anybody had their blood tested before and after the diet?
[quote]g.anagno wrote:
Don’t worry about you missing oatmeals and the rest. These are baby symptoms which evaporate completeley after a short while.[/quote]
that was exactly my experience. my first three weeks on the AD, i was craving oatmeal almost every day (it was basically the only carb i missed). i was counting the days to the carbup so i can have a big bowl of oats. now, i don’t crave oatmeal at all. i even skip it on some carb-ups from forgetting to have some. i don’t need carbs at all.
OK, another question… This is my 8th week on the AD. My weight has stayed the same (130 @ ~17%bf) and I might be a hair leaner. I’m feeling very good and even keel energy-wise. The first few weekend carbups were kind of a free-for-all of eating a lot of crap, but the last few have been much better. My breakdown has been about 60%fat, 40%protein at around 2000cal a day. Here’s my typical daily diet:
M1 - 3 eggs, 2 pcs bacon, 1 pc cheese in a low-carb pita
M2 - Metabolic Drive shake with Hood Carbcountdown, ground flaxseeds, walnuts
M3 - some sort of protein (chicken, tuna, beef) on a salad w/ olive oil
M4 - some sort of protein with veggies sauteed in olive oil & garlic
M5 - Metabolic Drive pudding with Hood Carbcountdown, peanut butter, cool whip
I try to have a green drink in the morning and Flameout with my last 2 meals. My goal is to lose just 5 more lbs to get to 125lbs at about 13%bf (pretty lean for a woman). I think I need to drop my overall calories to the 1500 range - sound right?
If I drop to 1500/day, I get 5 meals of 30gP, 20gF a day midweek and 19gP, 38gC, 8gF on the carbup. That’s using a 60%F, 40%P and a 25%P, 50%C, 25%F breakdown. Sound right?
Any suggestions on my diet? I hate the idea of logging every little thing I eat. Is that kind of attention to detail necessary to get to that level of leanness? Does one need to become totally “anal” about food to get and stay that lean?
I’m lifting 3xweek and doing cardio 3xweek (some tabata, some HIIT, some steady state, some ice hockey).
I just don’t seem to be making progress and think I need to “dial in” my diet better. I’ve never gotten this lean and don’t have any experience to fall back on. Thanks a bunch for all your help!
Not to highjack your inquiry Jillybop, but I was wondering if anyone out there can point me to the location of Dr. D’s discussion of the 12 day break-in period in the Anabolic Diet. Obviously the 12 day break-in seems to be the way to go, I just can’t seem to find a mention of it in the original AD materials. Was this something added later to the Anabolic Solution/Metabolic Diet?
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
OK, another question… This is my 8th week on the AD. My weight has stayed the same (130 @ ~17%bf) and I might be a hair leaner. I’m feeling very good and even keel energy-wise. The first few weekend carbups were kind of a free-for-all of eating a lot of crap, but the last few have been much better. My breakdown has been about 60%fat, 40%protein at around 2000cal a day. Here’s my typical daily diet:
M1 - 3 eggs, 2 pcs bacon, 1 pc cheese in a low-carb pita
M2 - Metabolic Drive shake with Hood Carbcountdown, ground flaxseeds, walnuts
M3 - some sort of protein (chicken, tuna, beef) on a salad w/ olive oil
M4 - some sort of protein with veggies sauteed in olive oil & garlic
M5 - Metabolic Drive pudding with Hood Carbcountdown, peanut butter, cool whip
I try to have a green drink in the morning and Flameout with my last 2 meals. My goal is to lose just 5 more lbs to get to 125lbs at about 13%bf (pretty lean for a woman). I think I need to drop my overall calories to the 1500 range - sound right?
If I drop to 1500/day, I get 5 meals of 30gP, 20gF a day midweek and 19gP, 38gC, 8gF on the carbup. That’s using a 60%F, 40%P and a 25%P, 50%C, 25%F breakdown. Sound right?
Any suggestions on my diet? I hate the idea of logging every little thing I eat. Is that kind of attention to detail necessary to get to that level of leanness? Does one need to become totally “anal” about food to get and stay that lean?
I’m lifting 3xweek and doing cardio 3xweek (some tabata, some HIIT, some steady state, some ice hockey).
I just don’t seem to be making progress and think I need to “dial in” my diet better. I’ve never gotten this lean and don’t have any experience to fall back on. Thanks a bunch for all your help!
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IMO, being anal with just about anything is the quickest way to go when you try to achieve something for the FIRST TIME. It makes you really more perceptive to the minor changes and details and saves you a lot of time of trial and error. Whether you continue being anal or not AFTER getting familiar with the process is a matter of personality.
Don’t forget that you’re still in the beginning of this diet/style of life. According to Doc and DH, full adaptation to fat isn’t completely achieved until the 12th week on the diet.
Afterall, since you haven’t been that lean before, expect some difficulty and be patient.
As for the meals and numbers, 1500 cals/day is ok (don’t forget to listen to your body through your weekly measurements) and the meal list seems right even though you don’t seem to take enough fiber for my standards (>= 30 gr)
[quote]oboffill wrote:
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Question: Has anybody had their blood tested before and after the diet?
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Didn’t do it before the AD, but had it tested two weeks ago, after being four months on the diet.
Results: All tests scored numbers near the lower end of the optimum spectrum except for HDL (good cholesterol) which was skyhigh. Kidneys OK too.
Although i confess being anxious to see the results, i wasn’t surprised of the numbers. It was more of a comfirmation of what i believed i would score. Afterall, with all these EFA’s (nuts, flax, fish, fishoil) how on earth could LDL, VLDL and triglycerides be elevated?
One quick question before I leave for work. I understand the recommended carb loading guidelines as 36 hours, starting at lunch Friday and going until Saturday evening. Are there any adjustments needed to what you eat earlier on Friday - I was under the assumption that high levels of fat with lots of carbs in the bloodstream is a no no. Given that you’ll be shifting from fat to carbs inside of one day, is there anything one needs to be worried about with respect to the types of foods consumed? Or am I overthinking this?
[quote]zdrax wrote:
One quick question before I leave for work. I understand the recommended carb loading guidelines as 36 hours, starting at lunch Friday and going until Saturday evening. Are there any adjustments needed to what you eat earlier on Friday - I was under the assumption that high levels of fat with lots of carbs in the bloodstream is a no no. Given that you’ll be shifting from fat to carbs inside of one day, is there anything one needs to be worried about with respect to the types of foods consumed? Or am I overthinking this? [/quote]
The carb loading doesn’t necessarily lasts the hole 36 hours but as long as
you need depending on your goals (fat loss, maintain, bulk) and the amount of carbs consumed.
Also, you don’t shift from fat to carbs. You continue to burn fat during the load (nice, huh?) and you stuff carbs into your glycogen stores.
Here’s a tricky point: if you eat more carbs than you need to fill those stores, the excess CHO will head to your fat cells (spill-over). This extra energy might be desirable when bulking though.
Experience and sensitivity to body signs will help to find where this point of transition is.
I’m currently on Day 8 of the break in period. I was disgusted with myself last week so I actually began the diet on a Thursday and prepared for a 16 day break-in rather than a 12-day one. I’m seriously considering carbing up tomorrow, but since I’m doing this for fat loss I realize I need to stick it out another 7 days to make sure all the glycogen has been “wrung out,” as someone put it earlier.
It’s disheartening that I haven’t lost any scale weight, but I’ve really felt great for the most part. I ate a ton during my first week to ensure as smooth a transition as possible, although it shouldn’t have been very difficult for me because I’ve been at <100g of carbs for a long time with intermittant periods of crap eating.
Today I started really dialing down the calories, most likely to the 2,000 kcal/day level. Does anyone have any suggestions for “waving” the calories? I will be carbing up on Fridays and Saturdays and doing WS4SB as follows:
Sunday (Max Upper)
Monday (Off)
Tuesday (Max Lower)
Wednesday (Off)
Thursday (Off)
Friday (Repetition Upper)
Saturday (Off)
I also do 40 minutes non-panting cardio 5-6 times per week.
On that schedule, how would the vets recommend I split up the calories if I’m getting 14,000 per week?
[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Any suggestions on my diet? I hate the idea of logging every little thing I eat. Is that kind of attention to detail necessary to get to that level of leanness? Does one need to become totally “anal” about food to get and stay that lean?
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I found, for me, that to get really lean, read ‘ripped’, I had be totally anal when it came to my diet. Used a scale and some tracking software to make sure. Worked great for me. Being an FFB, I had no choice, then or now, when I comes to food logging.