My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

No idea about bodyfat.See for yourself.

I gained alot around my waist,though.Going simply by look I’d say most of the 10 kgs were fat.I’ve been skinny-fat my whole life,and it seems like upping the calories slowly and steadily and keeping the loads light is the way to go for my body.

My strength increased steadily.At the beginning of the bulk I benched 90 kgx3,now I do 100kgx5.I went from 90 kgx5 in the squat to 120kgx5.One thing I’ve noticed while on the AD and the NHE is that I don’t burn out or get tired during a workout.

nice three month change bro.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
most of the 10 kg were fat?
that’s nasty[/quote]

The pic on the left is after.The pic on the right is before.It has been a good learning experience.

[quote]garethhe wrote:
nice three month change bro.[/quote]

Thanks :wink:

Thats good work Wolverin…
your gains in strength is also impressive.
Good stuff.

Quick question about dessicated liver tablets. DH, I remember you were talking about how dessicated liver is a good AD supp a while back, so I went and got some (not expensive at all, btw). How much and how often should they be taken? With meals or on empty stomach? thanks

I started a new thread with these questions, but haven’t had any response yet. Don’t mean to be a nag :slight_smile: just wondering if anyone had any thoughts for me. Thanks!


I have been following the AD thread here since it’s inception and have been intrigued. On DiscHoss’ recommendation, I bought and read the book “Natural Hormonal Enhancement” by Rob Faigin. It is very similar to the Anabolic Diet, but with a midweek carb-up and smaller weekend carb-up.

I always hear that women should train and eat basically the same as men, but still am a little skittish about trying such a dramatically different diet from what I’ve been doing.

I’m thinking of giving it a try as an experiment to see how it works for me, but wondered if anyone had any female-specific thoughts or input…

Derek, if you see this, I know you mentioned you have had a few female clients do very well with the AD - could you give me any details?

Personally, I would like to lean out a little bit more (lose about 5 more lbs or so of fat) and continue to build strength and muscle. Would a woman follow the BWx18 calorie recommendation to start? Do I understand the macros correctly? Should someone with my goals and/or a woman stay more towards one end of the percentage ranges?

Midweek:
Carbs <30g
Protein 40-50%
Fat 40-60%

Weekend:
Carbs 35-60%
Protein 15-30%
Fat 20-40%

Thanks for any tips, thoughts or suggestions you can share!

JB,
You can’t go wrong with either. I think the biggest question to ask is whether or not you consider yourself a “controlled” eater or an “out of control” eater.

One woman did well at first, but found the loads to be the greatest temptation of her life on the AD. She’d inhale every piece of CHO she could fit in her mouth. For her, we used the NHE because she “dips” in and then pulls out. It helped with her psychological issue of not being able to put the breaks on the AD and sometimes overdoing it and breaking even or stalling progress.

On the other hand, my mother, sister-in-law, and 2 former “clients” all did beautifully on the AD. I noticed the common thread for women (often looking to trim up and NOT add much mass) is that if you can eat like a human instead of an Oreck XL vacuum cleaner then the AD is great for the social freedom and deep fat burning on thurs and friday. IF you can’t pull out of a CHO nosedive and find yourself obsessing over food, then the NHE might be a good option to help with the discipline issue.

Bottom line, both are good, The AD is just plain easier and more fun (at least I think so!)

Best,
DH

Give me the brand and the dosage measurement being used.

DH

[quote]garethhe wrote:
Quick question about dessicated liver tablets. DH, I remember you were talking about how dessicated liver is a good AD supp a while back, so I went and got some (not expensive at all, btw). How much and how often should they be taken? With meals or on empty stomach? thanks[/quote]

Hey Hoss. I’ve got:

Puritan’s Pride Desiccated Liver tablets.

Serving size–1 tablet

Desiccated Liver 680 mg
Thiamin (B-1) 1 mg
Cyanocobalamin (B-12) 1 mcg

I weigh about 200 lbs, if that helps any.

By the way, I hit the gym today after finishing my second carb-up, and I looked significantly bigger this time with lots of endurance. I’m loving this diet.

Will taking just a scoop of dextrose with my protein after I workout in the morning mess with the fat burning of this diet, one scoop should only be about 30-40 carbs…

[quote]gnew70 wrote:
Will taking just a scoop of dextrose with my protein after I workout in the morning mess with the fat burning of this diet, one scoop should only be about 30-40 carbs…[/quote]

Try to keep your carbs lower, on some days I’d take like 15 grams (3 teaspoons)PWO and some BCAAs during my workout as long as I had ALL my other carbs alloted for the day it wasn’t a big deal. Some people can tolerate more carbs daily than others and maintain the fat burning edge though.

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
F’n Chinese buffets. I found a good one near my job and decided to try it out. The place theoretically is ideal because they offer quite a variety of fish and seafood. They offer a reasonable amount of vegetable dishes and keep the Chinese food and rice/ noodle dishes to a minimum.

Well, what a letdown when I realized EVERY single blessed item of food in the establishment had been cooked in or was doused in a sugary sauce! E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g was sweet!

4 types of shrimp, green beans, pork chops, chicken and broccoli, beef and vegetables…The place was a monumental tease.

What could I do? I was starving and ate 4 plates! I tried to focus on shrimp as they seemd to have the smallest quantity of “sugar sauce” but as I’m sure everyone has realized, on the Anabolic diet, seafood/fish/plain chicken aint gonna cut it when we’re hungry. We need the power of beef and pork and dairy and healthy fats to keep us strong.

Ah well, a lesson learned[/quote]

Dr. Atkins used to suggest Chinese Spare ribs (boneless), because, while they were basted with bbq sauce, most of it would be cooked off…Surprising, since he was pretty militant about carbs.

BTW, Chinese buffets are ideal for carb ups.

BTW pt.2, Why do Italians love chinese food so much? Something to do with Marco Polo?

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I’m really not trying to be mean here, merely warning that if your not pretty damn strict here then your going to end up being counter productive.

You’re not being mean at all. You actually read me like a book. I am as Italian as an Italian-American can be, and food is a huge deal in my family. Almost everyone in my family is overweight. Out of 16 first cousins, there are only 2 that have always beeen slim. One was an athlete who went to college on a tennis scholarship and who we suspect is now anorexic, and the other has had health problems his whole life.

Everyone else is carrying extra weight, from 20 to 100 pounds.

I have felt for a while that we talk way too much about food at home, and when I was living with my parents, one of the three of us would inevitably end up buying sweets and bringing them home.

My biggest challenge is mental. I need to separate my upbringing and culture which both place a heavy emphasis on eating well from reality.

I will write more on this.[/quote]

I feel you. I used to be like that too…I mean, when I was younger, we ate maccaroni 3-4 times a week.

Basically, I kept up parts of the culture that fit the diet…EV Olive Oil, fresh vegs, the cheeses, red wine, etc. I keep the mac. to the weekends.
Although, I must admit I sometimes make meatballs and eggs…what can I say.

I mean, think back…I know your grandmother made squash and eggs…spinach and eggs…escarole and meatball soup…cucumber, tomato, and onion salad…and just about every Italian veg. sauteed in EV Olive Oil.
These things are more in line with the diet.

That being said, there’s nothing wrong with what you are asking…the LC pancakes and LC tortillas…maybe you should spend some time “breaking in” to the AD…just sort of lower your carbs gradually until you feel comfortable.

[quote]garethhe wrote:
Hey Hoss. I’ve got:

Puritan’s Pride Desiccated Liver tablets.

Serving size–1 tablet

Desiccated Liver 680 mg
Thiamin (B-1) 1 mg
Cyanocobalamin (B-12) 1 mcg

I weigh about 200 lbs, if that helps any.

By the way, I hit the gym today after finishing my second carb-up, and I looked significantly bigger this time with lots of endurance. I’m loving this diet.[/quote]

From what I understand, Puritan’s Pride is sh#t.

Correct me if I’m wrong

[quote]Sonny S wrote:
garethhe wrote:
Hey Hoss. I’ve got:

Puritan’s Pride Desiccated Liver tablets.

Serving size–1 tablet

Desiccated Liver 680 mg
Thiamin (B-1) 1 mg
Cyanocobalamin (B-12) 1 mcg

I weigh about 200 lbs, if that helps any.

By the way, I hit the gym today after finishing my second carb-up, and I looked significantly bigger this time with lots of endurance. I’m loving this diet.

From what I understand, Puritan’s Pride is sh#t.

Correct me if I’m wrong[/quote]

Really? Where did you read that? I use their fish oil caps. They are one of the cheapest around and their quality is good (or so I thought).

About the Puritan’s Pride:

I’m sure you get what you pay for, like in everything in the marketplace. However, my thinking was, 680 mg of Desiccated Liver is still 680 mg of Desiccated Liver. Being a poor student I can either afford a small amount of top-of-the-line stuff, or a large amount of economy stuff. I’m figuring the latter is better for my situation.

Anyone got experience with the AD and cutting?I’m thinking of doing a one-day moderate carb-up Sunday,and a two-meal carb-up Thursday.Currently I’m getting 2000-2500 kcal a day, 150-180 g protein and 150-180 g fat.

I weigh 88.5 kg’,and have a fairly sow metabolism.

Hey Wolverin. I’m quite new to the AD myself (I’m on my third carb-up right now), so I won’t pretend to be an expert or anything. I’m trying to cut too. What I’m doing now is having a 24 hour carb-up from 10pm Saturday until 10pm Sunday.

I haven’t really been counting calories. During the week, I just eat cheese, eggs or meat whenever I start to feel hungry. As for my carb-up, I try to control the damage by eating lots of fiberific food (oatmeal, buckwheat pancakes, apples, etc). One thing I’ve noticed is that I crave carbs less and less with each passing week. I didn’t even particularly WANT to eat carbs this Saturday night, but I did anyway.

I haven’t lost that much weight so far (I’ve gone from 210 to 205 in three weeks), but my body composition is improving noticeably (which is pretty cool given that I wasn’t out of shape to begin with).

Regardign CLA while on the diet, is it alright to take? I know that it has been said to stay away from MCT’s but I’m still not sure about CLA. I posted this a few months back and got a non-definite reply, so wanted to ask again to see if I could get a consensus on the mattter.