Dh and all,
How long should I wait before upping the calories from the recommended 18X bodyweight?
I ask because before this I was doing Massive Eating, and taking down 4700 or so cals per day. Now that I’m supposed to be getting 3000, I’m wondering how long I should wait till I up my cals. Maybe after that initial water/glycogen loss?
I’m interested in other’s thoughts on whether or not the AD would be good on a MAG-10 bulking cycle? I’m of the opinion that a more standard diet consisting of plenty of carbs would go best with pro-hormone use, but I’d like to hear anyone else’s experience/ideas.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
I felt like I had a near death experience when I hit the wall during my metabolic shift. Seriously. I was lying on the decline bench and just moaned while a friend of mine said those awful words. “You look kinda puny today.” She horrified me. It cannot be emphasized enough, this diet will bust your chops at some early point when you finally deplete your glycogen stores. Sooner or later. BUT that is good because it takes this bottoming out to move to the top.
Everyone is doing fine. Just keep the cals up. Your body will do two important things: 1) you will force it to alter krebs cycle substrate use to burn fat. 2) you will begin to become more efficient at not only sparing protein but ALSO holding carbs in the muscle. Whatever you give the body in short order, it will attempt to hold onto. Holding water, drink some more. Holding fat, eat some more fat. Eat fewer carbs, teach the body to be stingy with them and tap them only when necessary.
You win all the way around.
Hang in there, it’s worth it.
BTW, that day’s bench workout never happned. I knew not to push it. That call is up to you, just be aware of this and have some spotters if you are going heavy… VERY important. I’d suggest a few days of active recovery instead. Soon, though, you’ll be moving along.
DH
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Thanks DH
Makes me feel better to hear horror stories like that. Cause’ I felt like I was going to die! I’ll probably go light the rest of this week and then hit it hard Sunday. I purposfully have my carb up days on Friday and Saturday so that I can train like a beast on Sunday. That is our strongman day! I’m looking forward to this Sunday. My partner keeps telling me that I’m on the South Beach diet and that no Strongman/Powerlifter can eat like this. I’m gonna make him a believer!
Quick question, how long do you do the startup phase, 12 days, or 5 days, then a carb up on the first weekend?
I have been following this thread in hopes of actually finding the details of this anobolic diet however, lots of talk about the diet but no where to be found is the diet itself. Can any one provide that for me? I also searched the archives for it and could not locate it. If I need to purchase a book I will (author?) but if I can get it here it will be to my financial advantage…thanks.
The “book” is called The Anablic Diet, and is written by Dr. Mauro Pasquale. I inclosed “book” in quotes because it is no longer available as a book, but only as a PDF and video bundle.
I was lucky enough to find a copy at a local used bookstore, you might try at a place like this if you really dislike PDF’s. Hope That Helps!
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Quick question, how long do you do the startup phase, 12 days, or 5 days, then a carb up on the first weekend?[/quote]
It is a 12 day wait at first, followed by 5 day low-carb bouts indefinately after that.
Feel free to do so now. The 18x was a security buffer to prevent people from “dieting” while trying to do the metabolic shift. Bump them cals, bro.
Just get your GOOD fats too.
DH
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Dh and all,
How long should I wait before upping the calories from the recommended 18X bodyweight?
I ask because before this I was doing Massive Eating, and taking down 4700 or so cals per day. Now that I’m supposed to be getting 3000, I’m wondering how long I should wait till I up my cals. Maybe after that initial water/glycogen loss?
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option 1:
Dr. D’s site. Do a search on the Metabolic Diet. Buy the AS as it is the same as the AD.
Option 2: Go to google (GOOGLE only)and search it. In one of the descriptions (usually the third one)you’ll find a place to buy the old AD that is now on CD-ROM w/ the original video.
Best,
DH
[quote]masterblaster wrote:
I have been following this thread in hopes of actually finding the details of this anobolic diet however, lots of talk about the diet but no where to be found is the diet itself. Can any one provide that for me? I also searched the archives for it and could not locate it. If I need to purchase a book I will (author?) but if I can get it here it will be to my financial advantage…thanks.[/quote]
You’re doing great, Mdrag.
The SB diet… that’s great. Comparing an AMC Pacer to a Lexus.
And I love that barbell. Everybody should use tires for plates. Gives a whole new meaning to the term “wheels” on the bar.
DH
[quote]mdragon wrote:
Disc Hoss wrote:
I felt like I had a near death experience when I hit the wall during my metabolic shift. Seriously. I was lying on the decline bench and just moaned while a friend of mine said those awful words. “You look kinda puny today.” She horrified me. It cannot be emphasized enough, this diet will bust your chops at some early point when you finally deplete your glycogen stores. Sooner or later. BUT that is good because it takes this bottoming out to move to the top.
Everyone is doing fine. Just keep the cals up. Your body will do two important things: 1) you will force it to alter krebs cycle substrate use to burn fat. 2) you will begin to become more efficient at not only sparing protein but ALSO holding carbs in the muscle. Whatever you give the body in short order, it will attempt to hold onto. Holding water, drink some more. Holding fat, eat some more fat. Eat fewer carbs, teach the body to be stingy with them and tap them only when necessary.
You win all the way around.
Hang in there, it’s worth it.
BTW, that day’s bench workout never happned. I knew not to push it. That call is up to you, just be aware of this and have some spotters if you are going heavy… VERY important. I’d suggest a few days of active recovery instead. Soon, though, you’ll be moving along.
DH
Thanks DH
Makes me feel better to hear horror stories like that. Cause’ I felt like I was going to die! I’ll probably go light the rest of this week and then hit it hard Sunday. I purposfully have my carb up days on Friday and Saturday so that I can train like a beast on Sunday. That is our strongman day! I’m looking forward to this Sunday. My partner keeps telling me that I’m on the South Beach diet and that no Strongman/Powerlifter can eat like this. I’m gonna make him a believer![/quote]
[quote]mdragon wrote:
I hit the wall. I was cruising along into my 8th day and boom there it was like a brick shit house. It fell on me and I couldn’t get up! Sunday is Strongman event day so I’m at the gym and we start with 5 flips of the 700# tire and then immediately move to the 220# farmers and I can barely lift the farmers. I’m supposed to do two sets I my forearms will barely hold them for 3 yards. After about five drops I got it 50ft. Then I rest forever. Did five tire flips pick up the farmers and have to lay down. I finish the farmers after about 3 min. rest. I finish the rest of the workout but I’m not myself. I hadn’t weighed myself since starting AD and so after the workout I weigh myself and I’m down 8lbs. Is this normal.
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I hit it today as well, I think, and I’ve felt like dung all day long. I woke up at my usual waking time for a weekday at 4:30AM, took 2 capsules of HOT-ROX, a scoop of Power Drive and started my workout at 5:30. It was as though the HOT-ROX somehow missed my mouth and the Power Drive with it. I have been very lethargic all day long and even had to fight my inner urges to mow down some Oreos…but like DH said earlier, it’s good to hit that low and tomorrow should be a whole new ballgame - I just wish they had carb free beer and nachos! :o)
BD
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Feel free to do so now. The 18x was a security buffer to prevent people from “dieting” while trying to do the metabolic shift. Bump them cals, bro.
Just get your GOOD fats too.
DH
Charles Atlas wrote:
Dh and all,
How long should I wait before upping the calories from the recommended 18X bodyweight?
I ask because before this I was doing Massive Eating, and taking down 4700 or so cals per day. Now that I’m supposed to be getting 3000, I’m wondering how long I should wait till I up my cals. Maybe after that initial water/glycogen loss?
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Thank God, gettin kinda hungry here at work. I’ll bump em up tommorow. I’m planning on getting at least 2g of EPA/DHA and 1/2 to 1/4 C of olive oil per day total, is this enough?
So just to confirm, when you start the diet, you eat < 30g carbs for 12 days. Carb-up. Then go onto the schedule of 5 days on @ < 30g carbs, 2 carb-up? Is this correct? Can you get away with 1 carb-up day if you’re leaning out?
[quote]zdrax wrote:
So just to confirm, when you start the diet, you eat < 30g carbs for 12 days. Carb-up. Then go onto the schedule of 5 days on @ < 30g carbs, 2 carb-up? Is this correct? Can you get away with 1 carb-up day if you’re leaning out?[/quote]
Personally, I would do a two day carb-up after the 12 day starting period to replenish the body.
After that, tou can get away with a 1 day carb up depending on your body. The Doc recommends staying on the diet as written for a period of time to see how your body is adjusting to the diet, and then you can alter it to your own requirements. If you use very high GI carbs, your carb up will take less time than if you eat low GI carbs.
The carb up days are just as important as the low carb days. Without carbing up, you are on the Atkins Diet which is crap for bulking and generally very catabolic.
First off let me say I am sorry if this question has been asked already; I only have about 15 minutes each day to get online and to sort through this entire post would eat up all of it! Keep up the great posts!
Okay, I have been on low carb diets before but they all fell flat (Atkins mainly). When I am in the first 12 days and keeping my carbs below 30 grams a day do I count dietary fiber in my carb count? Some low carb diets say to only count net impact carbs which is total carbs minus the fiber. What is the rule for the Anabolic Diet? Count the fiber towards carbs or no…any help would be greatly appreciated - Thanks guys (gals)!
Just want to tell you guys this thread is awesome…maybe the best I’ve ever read on T-nation…keep it up
As a P’lifter who doesn’t pay much attention to nutrition, seeing big strong guys championing this diet is encouraging…I’ve been eating this way for the last few days, and like other guys said, I bumped up calories a lot and have dropped some weight, but was plenty strong in the gym today.
DH and IC, you’ve both been great to give so much insight, very much appreciated.
I don’t count fiber. I wouldn’t start messing with low carb franken foods though…anything with alot of sugar alcholos is pushing it, IMO.
I don’t count “net carbs”, only carbs. It helps me keep it nice and simple.
A good minimum on fish oils. Olive oil is fine in any quantity, just get some. The better meats should make up the bulk. Don’t eat baloney, hot dogs, and margarine sticks ya know. 
DH
Thanks DH, will try to get some more fish oil in there, but I haven’t been to costco in a while, so my supply is running low. Today I had:
eggs
whey protien ,(4X)
monterey jack cheese, (2X)
pumpkin seed kernals
cheddar cheese
big spinach salad with much olive oil (3X)
pork roast
bit of pepperoni
How does this look? I realize I’m lacking on the good meats, but I really didn’t have any time to cook today.