My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Steak and Eggs
Heavy Cream Shakes
Chicken and PB is awesome
Tuna + Olive oil with Garlic Powder rocks

Also, get some ground beef and some cream cheese. Make a hamburger patty with the cream cheese in the middle. (Imagine an egg, with the cream cheese the yolk) and fry that sucker up. It is delicious.

Sounds good, man.

My load this last 36 hours. (Christmas is gonna be pro/fat - lots of meat :smiley: )

Over 36 hrs:

Cals : 6016
Carbs : 799 (52%)
Prot : 267 (17%)
Fat : 178 (26%)

*why don’t my macro’s ever add up to 100% :frowning: *

oh well.

Merry xmas to you all.

OK, I am a 19 year old BB who is about to start this diet to hopefully get ready for my first contest next spring. I have been following this thread for several months now and purchased the e-book a while back.

I have some questions about my plan of attack however, and was hoping you guys could help me out. I am 5’9", 205, 12.3% bf, just so you know.

I was thinking of supplementing with HOT-ROX and calcium pyruvate for the fat loss, and just multi, whey, casein, NOX3, bcaa, EFAs, vitamins C & E, a preworkout supp, ZMA, and cee products for general health and growth.

I am going to start the diet Jan 16, and for the first 12 days is less than 30g carbs followed by 36-48 hours carb load. After this, the diet is normal, 5 days low carb, 2 days high carb(overly simplistic i know).

I was planning on going right into cutting after the first two weeks until I find the right kcal level that I lose between 1.5-2 lbs/week and then adding the pyruvate and HOT-ROX a week after I find the right level.

About 2-3 weeks after this, I will add cardio gradually to continue losing fat. I will be eating ground beef, sausage, eggs, cheese, olive oil, heavy whipping cream, milled flax seeds, kale, bacon, pepperoni, and hot sauce to taste primarily.

I would just like some help first of all with making sure everything sounds ok, and secondly with my supp schedule as I’m not entirely sure when I will take the pyruvate and bcaas on this diet.

Also, I was wondering if anyone knows or has tried Lipo 6 or Hydroxycut Hardcore and thinks I would benefit by adding one or both into my program later on. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks, Duffey.

Also, I found a delicious recipe for egg nog for those who want it on their low carb days. You just put four eggs in a blender and beat them, add 2 1/2 cups heavy whipping cream, 1 tsp vanilla, and 1 1/2 tsp Equal, and mix it all up. Makes about 4 servings and has 60.75 g fat, 5 g carbs, and 10.25 g protein per serving.

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Good to see you back Dragon. I think that one of the good things about the AD is that it’s pretty forgiving when you go overboard. You are in a tough situation, but do the best you can, things don’t always have to be perfect.[/quote]

Here is my plan. To eat as much bacon and eggs as possible. Everything else is cooked with sugar spices etc. I’ll eat some of it, but I think I’ll try to eat my last 2 meals as protien drinks. Do you think it will still work even if I go over in carbs? I mean I have no fucking idea what is used to cook this stuff and the people who cook don’t speak english. They are middle eastern.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
Does anyone Di Pasquale’s calorie formulas?

The anabolic solution says to maintain the same bodyweight you need 18 kcal/lb/day, I tried this for 4 weeks now since I started the diet and my bw has increased 3kg (!), that has to be mostly fat, considering it’s only been 4 weeks.

I would probably put on fat at blinding speed if I tried 25kcal/lb/day…[/quote]

Man I got exactly the same problem. Following the diet for 2 months now, i gained 5 kgr at 18 kcal/lb/day, so now i start a cutting cycle even if that doesn’t fit in my long term plan…
I confess i’m a little disappointed in the diet and i have serious concerns about how useful it can be to people who want to bulk without gaining a lot of fat.

I started recording everything more thoroughly and drastically lowered my cals. Literally my diet now is low carb, low fat. Not as nice and simple as the Doc described.
As you all can see, any help for not falling off the wagon would be appreciated!!!

MD,

Yeah, I think you’ll be ok. You will adapt if the carbs are a little higher. I would just try to walk a little more or something. Plus, ya can’t go wrong with eggs.

How long will you be out there?

Hi guys,

I’ve been doing great on the diet but just want to report some disturbing news. I received a call from my doctor today after getting blood work done 4 months into the diet.

My cholesterol had skyrocketed. It was perfect before, and now it is very high. 250. Tomorrow I have to go off the diet and back to eating the way I did before. It sucks though, because I saw some great results in the gym with this. Ah well.

Justin

OK, well before anyone responds to my earlier post, I wanted to amend two things and ask a question.

First, I am taking out the pyruvate after reading an article by Chris Shugart stating it does not work at realistic doses.

Second, I am removing the NOX3 as I have never really felt that the NO products worked or helped me, but after reading magazines and such, believed that they were “working behind the scenes” as it were.

However, after reading the article about NO products and how they don’t work, I realize I was fooled by the companies and my original gut feeling was correct.

My question is if its alright to use Crystal Light on this diet and if there was a limit to how much should be consumed in a day. Thanks, Duffey.

[quote]justinf77 wrote:
Hi guys,

I’ve been doing great on the diet but just want to report some disturbing news. I received a call from my doctor today after getting blood work done 4 months into the diet.

My cholesterol had skyrocketed. It was perfect before, and now it is very high. 250. Tomorrow I have to go off the diet and back to eating the way I did before. It sucks though, because I saw some great results in the gym with this. Ah well.

Justin[/quote]

Justin,

That sucks. Oddly enough, I never had my levels checked before, but after about 6 months into the diet, I got bloodwork done, and my levels came back stellar.

Are (were) you getting roughly equal amounts of poly and mono unsaturated fats and saturated fats, and doing your fish oils?

Were you in a fasted state when you were tested?

Have you been strict enough in recording your carb count?

Sucks to hear that though man.

No, I did not fast before getting my cholesterol checked, but I read that fasting before the test would have almost no effect.

I was extremely strict with carb counts, making sure never to go above 30 in a day.

I did eat more saturated fats than usual (lots of eggs, bacon, red meat, cheese, etc.) but also a lot of olive oil. I consumed about 8-10 tablespoons of olive oil per day. I took fish oil capsules occasionally, but probably not as often as I should have.

The diet was great, but unfortunately I think I am one of the rare few who do not respond well. As of this morning, I am back to bulking with carbs.

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
MD,

Yeah, I think you’ll be ok. You will adapt if the carbs are a little higher. I would just try to walk a little more or something. Plus, ya can’t go wrong with eggs.

How long will you be out there?[/quote]

I’ll be here until Jan 07. I’m on a Marine base and the gym is small! They have one squat rack. Thankfully I was the only guy using it this morning. I’ll probably start throwing the flack jacket on and going for 20 or 30 min walks ever few days. I’m walking my ass off over here. No buses or vehicles for guys like me. :slight_smile:

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
so where do we stand now? in another book I own (susan kleiner) the cal recommendations are practically the same: maintain 20kcal/lb; taper(what equals the strength phase of the ad) 17 kcal /lb, cut 15 kcal/lb, bulk 24+ kcal/lb.

is it possible we have inefficient metabolisms or something or are just too inactive?
how much calories should one cut on rest days?[/quote]

I’m not inactive at all. 3-4 times/week weight sessions (40 min each) and going to work on bike half of the weekdays. Also, i workout and take care of my nutrition long enough to know that i don’t have a very slow metabolism.

I suspect that the AD may work well while doing more or longer resistance training sessions.
Anyway, at first i intend to make sure that i’m strict enough about the diet by recording everything (and going by lower cals) and if i still don’t have the results then i will consider to change something else.

I also decided to eat all the green veggies i want (except for the roots)no matter how many carb grams i sum up (from them)by the end of the day. That was a serious drawback of the diet for me till now.

As far as it concerns training or rest days, i try to adapt my cals everyday according to my daily activities (1.2*BMR+cals from weight sessions+cals from cardio+cals from NEPA) and not have a fixed number of cals no matter what i do.
Funny thing is that in another thread Father Disc Hoss said that when fat adapted you need 500 cals more than when burning carbs, but i haven’t felt anything even close to this up to now…

I read in Udo Erasmus’ book ‘fats that Heal,Fats that Kill’ that when fat is burned for energy it produces ammonia and other harmful substances.He recommends 15-20% of kcal from fat,with carbs as high as 70-80%.

True?

Hey something people on this thread may have contemplated: When supplementing with creatine, the common wisdom is to take it when you are spiking insulin (ie. with a high-carb PWO shake). So when is a good time or what is a good strategy for creatine supplementation when on a low-carb diet?

[quote]luddini wrote:
Hey something people on this thread may have contemplated: When supplementing with creatine, the common wisdom is to take it when you are spiking insulin (ie. with a high-carb PWO shake). So when is a good time or what is a good strategy for creatine supplementation when on a low-carb diet?[/quote]

Well, there are many ways to spike insulin, carbs being one of the more well known methods. However, amino acids also have been shown to spike insulin just as well, if not better. Also, there are certain supps that mimic insulin without carbs, i.e. Vanadyl Sulfate and Chromium Picolinate.

Finally, a lot of newer creatines don’t require insulin at all to work properly, i.e. Creatine Ethyl Ester. And, if you do a little research on this site, you will find that humans actually require very little creatine, about a gram or two from supps, and may not even need a larger insulin “push” from carbs.

However, if you really feel like the carbs make that much of a difference, you could always add extra dextrose to your creatine shake, being careful to stay under 30 g of carbs a day with everything else you have eaten. Like DH has said, everything and anything that enters your mouth should be checked for carbs.

Hope that helps, Duffey.

[quote]Wolverin wrote:
I read in Udo Erasmus’ book ‘fats that Heal,Fats that Kill’ that when fat is burned for energy it produces ammonia and other harmful substances.He recommends 15-20% of kcal from fat,with carbs as high as 70-80%.

True?[/quote]

Well, it can’t possibly produce ammonia (NH3), since there is no nitrogen in fat. However, burning protein for energy can produce ammonia.

Perhaps he was talking about ketones? I don’t have the book handy.

By the way, Udo’s food pyramid is worth a look: http://www.udoerasmus.com/pyramid/pyr_index.htm

I know Charles Poliquin uses a similar strategy as DiPasquale with his athletes. Does anyone know precisely what the similarities/differences are between the AD and Poliquin’s recommendations?

‘Although both oils and proteins can also be used for fuel,they do not burn ‘clean’,producing ketones and ammonia,respectively,which can have toxic effects in liver,kidneys and brain.’

Thaks,get it now.

Here’s CT’s macros on the AD:
From 300 to 400 g protein a day,the latter being on the load
From 120 g fat to 20 g on the load
200 g carbs during the weekend

Seems protein was a tad too high and fat a tad too low according to the guidelines of the AD.Nevertheless, he shredded alot of weight on the diet!What amazes me the most is that some days he goes as low as 2300 kcal,weighing in at 230 pounds,18% bodyfat.