Hey guys, I’ve been reading this thread since the start and am loving it. Big thanks to all the contributors as it helps tremendously to learn from others experiences… I tried this diet last year but only for bulking and stopped for who knows what reason. All I remember is being very delighted that I could eat 4300 calories and not gain any fat. Anyways, I’m on week 9 and will most likely stay with this plan for the long term foreseeable future.
But I have a problem- For the past week or so I just can’t eat as much as I could for the first couple months on this plan. Before I could inhale 4000 calories a day whether fats or starches but for some strange reason I have a hard time getting over 2000 a day! I am seriously full all day. Even after eating just 100g of meat and a little veg and olive oil I am FULL. Like stuffed. I am currently leaning out, this past week I have been striving for 2500-3500 calories a day but its just not happening.
The poop chute works great, psyllium and ground flax every day plus green veggies etc… and 4-6 litres water a day… I have 50g protein shake with 3 tbs olive and flax oil at 6AM and I am seriously full until almost noon! This has never happened to me before in my entire life. Have you guys heard of anything like this on the AD? Other than that my results have been great, I’ve lost about 5 pounds of fat and about 2 pounds bodyweight… I will contribute more I promise, AD rules!
Peteman
First of all, I must say thank you to mdragon for starting this thread. And then, I must bow down to Disc Hoss and Charles Atlas, man you guys are incredible. Also thanks to Owen70 for keeping things interesting
I?ve been reading this thread for a while and have learned a lot. Here is a little something about me.
Before:
I am 36 years old, 5 feet 4 inches. I started anabolic diet on July 12, at that time I was 166 lbs. I was in really bad shape (a little fat man).
Now:
It?s been 4 weeks, now my weight is 156 lbs (lost 10 lbs) and I have lost 3 inches from my waist. Still have to lose another 10 lbs in fat.
What I am doing:
Working out six days a week, as follow:
2 days upper body weights
1 day lower body weights
3 days running (3 miles in 30 minutes each day) + abs workout
One day carb load, eating lots of carbs and fats (very little or no proteins.
What I am taking:
200 grams of protein
2 caps Omega 3, 6, 9
2 caps Salmon and fish oils
GNC Mega Multi Multivitamin
Timed release Vitamin C (1000 mg a day)
Triflex (Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM) for bones/joints health.
5 litters of water
Things are going pretty good, except:
Dry mouth all the time.
After workout muscles don?t recover soon (sometimes takes 48 hours)
Some nausea, especially at night
So guys, any recommendations? any supplements I should be taking? Should change anything as far as the workout is concern?
[quote]memonics wrote:
Things are going pretty good, except:
After workout muscles don’t recover soon (sometimes takes 48 hours)
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A sign of recovery “issues.” Two things immediately come to mind… peri-workout nutrition and overtraining/under-recovery.
Peri-workout nutrition: with simple carbs out of the question, this gets a little more complicated (you can’t just take a serving of Surge and be done with it). I believe Disc Hoss mentioned he was going to post HIS peri-workout nutrition protocol to the thread sometime. Maybe you should PM him and bug him about it…
Of course, this might be a case of adaptation. If you greatly increased your activity level since starting the AD your body might not yet be adapted to all the activity. You might just need another month or two to adjust…like the analogy of a new lumberjack. I don’t think this is TOO MUCH activity, but it might be too much TOO SOON.
Recovery optimizing acivities are always an option. CT wrote a good article on the subject a few months ago.
Just my thoughts. I’d be interested to hear some others chime in.
[quote]memonics wrote:
First of all, I must say thank you to mdragon for starting this thread. And then, I must bow down to Disc Hoss and Charles Atlas, man you guys are incredible. Also thanks to Owen70 for keeping things interesting
I?ve been reading this thread for a while and have learned a lot. Here is a little something about me.
Before:
I am 36 years old, 5 feet 4 inches. I started anabolic diet on July 12, at that time I was 166 lbs. I was in really bad shape (a little fat man).
Now:
It?s been 4 weeks, now my weight is 156 lbs (lost 10 lbs) and I have lost 3 inches from my waist. Still have to lose another 10 lbs in fat.
What I am doing:
Working out six days a week, as follow:
2 days upper body weights
1 day lower body weights
3 days running (3 miles in 30 minutes each day) + abs workout
One day carb load, eating lots of carbs and fats (very little or no proteins.
What I am taking:
200 grams of protein
2 caps Omega 3, 6, 9
2 caps Salmon and fish oils
GNC Mega Multi Multivitamin
Timed release Vitamin C (1000 mg a day)
Triflex (Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM) for bones/joints health.
5 litters of water
Things are going pretty good, except:
Dry mouth all the time.
After workout muscles don?t recover soon (sometimes takes 48 hours)
Some nausea, especially at night
So guys, any recommendations? any supplements I should be taking? Should change anything as far as the workout is concern?
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the compliment man. The one thing I can think of is to drink more water and see how you feel after that. I’m not too sure about the recovery issue. With the nausea, you might want to consider “saving” the bulk of your daily carbs for the evening. That way, you can have plenty of veggies and maybe a bit of fruit at night. This has worked wonders for me, I read about it in Dr. D’s first AD book.
Thanks Jeff K, good points.
I dont think I am overtraining, since I could do much more but I control myself. Like running, I can easily run twice as much. Same with the weights, I don’t push myself too hard.
Pre-workout nutrition could be the problem. I take 45 grams of protein half an hour before workout and 45 grams of protein half an hour after workout (with 2 omega 3,6,9 and 2 fish oils caps).
Maybe I need a pre/post workout supplement. Lets see what Disc Hoss have to say about this.
Where can I find the article on recovery optimizting activities that you mentioned?
Thanks buddy
[quote]Jeff K wrote:
memonics wrote:
Things are going pretty good, except:
After workout muscles don’t recover soon (sometimes takes 48 hours)
A sign of recovery “issues.” Two things immediately come to mind… peri-workout nutrition and overtraining/under-recovery.
Peri-workout nutrition: with simple carbs out of the question, this gets a little more complicated (you can’t just take a serving of Surge and be done with it). I believe Disc Hoss mentioned he was going to post HIS peri-workout nutrition protocol to the thread sometime. Maybe you should PM him and bug him about it…
Of course, this might be a case of adaptation. If you greatly increased your activity level since starting the AD your body might not yet be adapted to all the activity. You might just need another month or two to adjust…like the analogy of a new lumberjack. I don’t think this is TOO MUCH activity, but it might be too much TOO SOON.
Recovery optimizing acivities are always an option. CT wrote a good article on the subject a few months ago.
Just my thoughts. I’d be interested to hear some others chime in.
Ok, so I will try to drink more water (maybe 6-7 liters a day). Saving the carbs for the evening sounds great, I will try that.
You mentioned taking fruits at nights, which ones you would recommend?
Thanks
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Thanks for the compliment man. The one thing I can think of is to drink more water and see how you feel after that. I’m not too sure about the recovery issue. With the nausea, you might want to consider “saving” the bulk of your daily carbs for the evening. That way, you can have plenty of veggies and maybe a bit of fruit at night. This has worked wonders for me, I read about it in Dr. D’s first AD book.[/quote]
[quote]memonics wrote:
Ok, so I will try to drink more water (maybe 6-7 liters a day). Saving the carbs for the evening sounds great, I will try that.
You mentioned taking fruits at nights, which ones you would recommend?
Thanks
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I feel like I should tell you first off that I have only been on this diet for about a month, maybe a little longer. By no means am I an expert, and everything I say should be taken with a grain, (hell a whole bag) of salt. Everything I know about this diet I learned by reading Doc. D’s book and listening to those who have been on it for a good long time, (DH, IC, Mozhne, Vasu, et al). That being said, The only fruit I normally will eat on weekdays is of the high-water, high-fiber variety. This includes most berries, cherries, plums, apples, oranges, grapes, grapefruit…That’s all I can think of. Personally, I like to buy whatever barry is in season and some very small plums, that way if you don’t have very many carbs “left over” from your day, you can still have a little bit of fruit.
Hope this helps,
-CA.
[quote]Linnet wrote:
I’m also curious about the dry mouth.
My tongue also feels a bit rough. Any ideas?
Keith [/quote]
Carbs hold water. No carbs=less water retention. Less water retention= dehydration. The tounge thing I’ve also experienced. My guess is it has something to do with dehydration.
Training question guys: Since I am using the diet to loose fat and maybe gain a slight amount of muscle (if possible); which program would be more conducive on this diet? OVT or Advanced GVT?
I’m 16 and currently about 4 days into the diet. I’m in the matinence stage(obviously) and my matinence is around 2250-2700cals(my wieght is 150lbs) a day. Now I dont know if this is normal but I have never been so hungry in my life! I mean REALLY hungry, like eat-a-horse-hungry, but I dont want to go over my cal limit. As it is I already push it to 2700 each day. Is it normal to be so hungry? And do you guys think I can push my cal limit, or should I just stick to the cal limit and grin and bear it? I kinda feel like I’m depriving my body, but I don’t want to screw this up.
I’m 16 and currently about 4 days into the diet. I’m in the matinence stage(obviously) and my matinence is around 2250-2700cals(my wieght is 150lbs) a day. Now I dont know if this is normal but I have never been so hungry in my life! I mean REALLY hungry, like eat-a-horse-hungry, but I dont want to go over my cal limit. As it is I already push it to 2700 each day. Is it normal to be so hungry? And do you guys think I can push my cal limit, or should I just stick to the cal limit and grin and bear it? I kinda feel like I’m depriving my body, but I don’t want to screw this up.
Thoughts?[/quote]
Umm. I’d like DH or someone with that amount of relative experience on this diet to comment on this, but I know in his first book Dr. D clearly stated that this diet was not for the young. While it may only do so to a small extent, this diet does affect endogeneous hormone function. This cannot be good for someone as young as yourself. I may be wayyy off base here, but I would reccomend that you read up on some basic healthy eating plans, (i.e. Berardi’s Seven Habits of Highly Successful Nutrition Plans) and follow one of those until you are at least 19-20. I cannot see any good coming from messing with your hormones at 16. I don’t want to come off as a dickhead, but I highly reccomend getting off of the AD RIGHT NOW!
-CA.
Wow! My eyes are bleeding from reading every post plus the AS manual. I will be starting this on Monday, as I have somewhat hit the diet wall, and I just love a big juicy steak.
Earlier, I posted a big thread, “Starkdog the Whale,” where I weighed in at 280lbs and 22%bf. I have lost a little while doing the T-dawg diet. Unfortunately, I had a re-aggravation of an old eye injury, and needed eye surgery. I still wear a long-term bandage contact. But, for about 3-4 weeks I had to lay off heavy exercise, because spikes in intra-occular blood pressure could have popped my cornea back apart. I was able to play racquetball, and really enjoyed it. I look forward to playing again for GPP and some added cardio benefit. I was just curious as to wheather I should stick with a 5x5 scheme, or try to use meltdown, or a CW program.
In regards to the AD for a female, I’d highly recommend it. The added benefit of additional iron and Bvits from red meat will definently help women during menstruation. As an acid test, my buddy’s gf was “on”, and was cramping while we were having a cookout. Amidst my grilling a cow, I fixed her a nice ribeye, and a romaine salad with homemade olive oil/balsamic vinegar dressing. Later that evening, as we were playing poker, I asked how she felt, and she said that the cramping and bloat were down, and that she actually felt comfortable.
This will scare my parents, especially since they both are on Lipitor and other meds, and routinely binge on crap carbs. They will definently freak when seeing me take shots of olive oil. Now, time to do some shopping. -The Starkdog
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Thanks Charles,
I will try few berries at night, I love berries so it wont be a problem.
I feel like I should tell you first off that I have only been on this diet for about a month, maybe a little longer. By no means am I an expert, and everything I say should be taken with a grain, (hell a whole bag) of salt. Everything I know about this diet I learned by reading Doc. D’s book and listening to those who have been on it for a good long time, (DH, IC, Mozhne, Vasu, et al). That being said, The only fruit I normally will eat on weekdays is of the high-water, high-fiber variety. This includes most berries, cherries, plums, apples, oranges, grapes, grapefruit…That’s all I can think of. Personally, I like to buy whatever barry is in season and some very small plums, that way if you don’t have very many carbs “left over” from your day, you can still have a little bit of fruit.
Hope this helps,
-CA.
I found a good link that covers leptin and the rosedale diet is similar although I think it’s b.s. because you have to buy tons of his supplements. It is good read though.
But I have a problem- For the past week or so I just can’t eat as much as I could for the first couple months on this plan. Before I could inhale 4000 calories a day whether fats or starches but for some strange reason I have a hard time getting over 2000 a day! I am seriously full all day. Even after eating just 100g of meat and a little veg and olive oil I am FULL. Like stuffed. I am currently leaning out, this past week I have been striving for 2500-3500 calories a day but its just not happening.
Peteman[/quote]
I seem to be having the same problem on weekend carbups. Just can’t seem to eat and am full all day, no shit. And get tired, no matter what kind of carbs I eat. Not really a dilemma yet, as it’s not winter and I’m not trying to put on any size right now. Hopefully, by late fall, I’ll have the full feeling licked and ready to bulk (sort of)
