[quote]johnward82 wrote:
Alright, I read about the first 60 pages of this thread, and then i realized I was 300 pages short of the end. I dont generally like to ask a question in a thread wihtout reading the entire thing first, but um…come on. Anyway, I have went from 240# or so to my current 170#, and I am on the V-Diet trying to get the rest of the little flab hanging around the mid section gone. In the past year and a half I have come to love, and i mean LOVE fruits and veggies, and all the other things that fatasses hate, or at least I did when I was a tub of crap.
Anyway, I have done low carb/Atkins before so figuring out what to eat, or at least how to do it, is no big deal. I have been nearly low carb for quite some time now, but I am ready to put some weight back on this frame.
I cant decide if I just want to put my cals back to 2500 or so cleanly and up them as needed, or try this AD. I want to try the ad just because I wont be missing out on carbs, I can down a metric shit ton of fruit and whatnot on the weekends, but what worries me is this…
It seems like alot of people on this diet dont consume alot of veg, at least in the beggings of this thread. I dont want to loose them, and I dont want to cover the flavor of beautiful veggies with oil and butter like we used to do.
I am about half way done with the V-Diet and i know that getting into this will be a cakewalk, just worried about ruining my love for veggies and stuff. I dont need the temptation or the excuse to have an ice cream cone or anything, although it would be cool. At the same time for the first time i dont have HBP and I feel great and dont want this to go away either. Does anyone have a suggestion? Does this even make sense?
Thanks guys yall are great![/quote]
I was in much the same boat before starting my AD journey. Ex fat guy, come to absolutely adore veggies and fruits, didn’t think I could get on without them. So to that I’ll say two things:
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If you want, PM me your e-mail and I’ll send you the book in .pdf 
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You don’t give up veg at all, even at the beginning of the diet - you just keep it under 30g carbs per day, not counting fiber, and that’s that. As far as preparing veg goes, I’m a big fan of the stir-fry method - if you don’t do it often you’d be surprised at how a small pinch of salt and some EVOO can enhance the flavor of your dark leafy greens. I get at least several cups of spinach, chard, and kale into me each day and still have enough carbs left at the end of the day for some hummus, daikon, and nuts.
So by no means do you have to come close to giving up veggies at any stage of the diet. You just have to keep track of what you’re taking in. Stuff like dark green leafy veggies, broccoli, bok choi, mustard greens…all of these you could almost stuff yourself on and still keep it to >30g total carbs. The only thing you’d be restricting to any serious degree would be your sugary and starchy veggies like carrots and potatoes which is no big deal cuz they’re perfect to grub out on on the weekends.
To sum up: the controlled veggies, even for a veggie-holic like myself, is not nearly as bad as I was afraid it would be. Also, the AD is fantastic for putting on muscle and so far I haven’t noticed any circulation-related side effects with the small exception of being able to now see veins in my biceps, calves, and that really cool one at the front of the shoulder.