[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
If anyone is interested, I’m thinking of putting Bill Starr’s nutrient suggestions into action to test them out. He had some pretty large dosages of certain nutrients for his players on the 5x5 system and claims that it made a big difference in strength and stamina at certain levels. Anybody want to join me in an experiment and see how we fare in 3-4 weeks? We’re all needing some nutrient support on the AD anyway, might as well see what’s optimal. Takers? I’ll post his stuff this week if we get a few heads to join the quest. This thread offers a really effective opportunity for “group think” and a large pool of experiential knowledge. Used properly, we could all gain alot from each other.
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It sounds pretty neat, I mean who wouldn’t want to gain some strength and satmina? I’m concerned about that “at certain levels” caveat though DH, what does that mean? Certain levels of training experience?
-CA
I’m no authority on the AD but want to give my $.02 on a few things you brought up:
When camping, will you have your vehicle nearby or do you have to pack in all your supplies? If the former, pack two separate coolers - one for one day and one really iced down for the second - and you should have no problems having P/F food handy. For quickie snacks away from camp, take some vienna sausages or tuna pouches and nuts with you. Canned Rotel and mushrooms are easy vegetable sources and you can keep a spinach/dark lettuce salad chilled in a tupperware container.
Get out of the mindset that if you’re going to burn a “****load” of cals that you need carbs. Simply eat more food - particularly some extra oils - for increased caloric demands. The whole foundation of this diet is shifting your metabolism over to burning triglycerides so take advantage of it.
I’ll quickly defer to DH or any other of the experts but I doubt the world will end if you carb up one week on Fri/Sat instead of Sat/Sun. Just resume low carbs on Sunday and carry it through the following Friday.
Hope this helps. FWIW about point #2, I train/compete in several types of ATP/CP and anaerobic threshold biking and have had absolutely no adverse effects from running on P/F, no matter how hard/long my days were. You’ll be fine.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
If anyone is interested, I’m thinking of putting Bill Starr’s nutrient suggestions into action to test them out. He had some pretty large dosages of certain nutrients for his players on the 5x5 system and claims that it made a big difference in strength and stamina at certain levels. Anybody want to join me in an experiment and see how we fare in 3-4 weeks? We’re all needing some nutrient support on the AD anyway, might as well see what’s optimal. Takers? I’ll post his stuff this week if we get a few heads to join the quest. This thread offers a really effective opportunity for “group think” and a large pool of experiential knowledge. Used properly, we could all gain alot from each other.
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DH, I’d be all over this thing if I wasn’t going out of the country for a few weeks. Oh well, I look forward reading the feedback.
You should have no trouble finding a group of volunteers.
[quote]vasudeva wrote:
Your comments about feeling soft make sense. Had an awesome day in the gym today. I’m wondering when this crash is going to occur… I’m a full 7 days into it and feel great (minus headaches). I pissed on a ketostix and noticed that I’m not in a state of ketosis. Normal, right? Didn’t Doc D talk about not actually being in a state of ketosis? Or should I be during the first 12 days?
I’m thinking I will eventually need to monitor my fat intake some. It is so high. Doesn’t he talk about lowering fat levels during cutting phases, while maintaining protein and carbs to force the body to utilize fat stores? Tomorrow is the real test… ME lower day. [/quote]
Hi guys…I am trying this diet now. Was the proceeding question answered already? I couldn’t find it. I am using the diet for fat loss primarily and am interested in DiscHoss or anyone else’s answer to the above question.
O.k. - I’ve read all 33 pages of this thread and am intrigued. Got all the basics + some. Would like some opinions on a couple of things:
I’m a firefighter and have a 2nd job doing lawn servicing and have a deck and fence co, on the side, so I stay busy. I’ve been doing the “Renaissance Body Development” program for a couple of weeks now (found it suited best for my job). Looking gain strength with some size.
Would the AD work well for this? Earlier in the thread someone asked about women using the AD and I don’t remember any responses, any info on that? Thanks for your time and thoughts.
I got through my first carb up weekend and am feeling good today. My workout on Saturday was pump city. I also experienced no crash to speak of. But I do have a question on the carb load. How much are you supposed to up your total cal level? I’m already eating 3600-4000 cals depending on how hungry I am throughout the week, and have trouble eating that many carbs on the weekend.
[quote]JohnnyChainsaw wrote:
I got through my first carb up weekend and am feeling good today. My workout on Saturday was pump city. I also experienced no crash to speak of. But I do have a question on the carb load. How much are you supposed to up your total cal level? I’m already eating 3600-4000 cals depending on how hungry I am throughout the week, and have trouble eating that many carbs on the weekend. [/quote]
The weekend is not just a carb up. You need to take in fats too. Adding fats to your weekend diet should help get your calories up where you need them. Hint: A classic triple from Wendy’s has about 920 calories, top that off with a large frosty and you should be well on your way to achieving your caloric needs.
Vasudeva is the name of a character from a Herman Hesse novel.
Alpha lipoic acid (ALA) is COMPLETELY different than what is found in flaxseed oil. You’re thinking of the omega-3 fatty acid alpha linolenic acid (ALNA). ALA is an enzyme. It is a first-rate antioxidant. It is water and fat soluble. It is highly absorbable within the body. It also stabilizes blood glucose levels.
I predominately supplement with olive oil, but do consume 4g of EPA/day and 2.5g of DHA/day. In regard to FDA recommendations, I would listen to your body.
I never did crash. Not everyone does. And don’t worry about ketosis. As long as your macro-nutrient ratios are on target, you’ll be fine. Doc D actually thinks it a poor strategy to enter into ketosis. My headaches were a result of two things: 1) Too much sodium. I simply increased my potassium intake; and 2) My blood glucose levels were very low. I wasn’t consuming enough CHO.
I consume between 2850 calories/day to 5800 calories/day during the week, but bump my calories up to 10-12 grand calories/day on the weekends. I estimate my weekly needs and experiment from there. I posted on page 31 Doc D’s recommendations for total daily caloric intake. They were:
Gain = (25xBdywt)
Strength = (17-25xBdywt)
Cut = (subtract 300-500 calories from your daily total per week until desired outcome)
How much you increase or decrease your total caloric intake is dependent upon your goal and approach in applying the AD. What is your goal?
Well, I’m on day 8 of the diet and I have this bad taste and feeling in my mouth. What the hell?
Also- I realized after reading the last page that I was taking in too much flax and fish oil. What are the negative effects of this? Other than that, no major crash yet and my strenth has been stable. Just a little foggy today. I’m finding it hard to reach the recommended protein intake without going over the 30g of CHO per day. Gotta work on that. Looking forward to the carb up this weekend.
Btw Hoss- I just got Starr’s liver tabs in the mail. What dosage per day do you recommend and how do you divide it during the day? There is no dosage info on the jar.
Thanks- Matt
[quote]kurmatt wrote:
Well, I’m on day 8 of the diet and I have this bad taste and feeling in my mouth. What the hell?
Also- I realized after reading the last page that I was taking in too much flax and fish oil. What are the negative effects of this? Other than that, no major crash yet and my strenth has been stable. Just a little foggy today. I’m finding it hard to reach the recommended protein intake without going over the 30g of CHO per day. Gotta work on that. Looking forward to the carb up this weekend.
Btw Hoss- I just got Starr’s liver tabs in the mail. What dosage per day do you recommend and how do you divide it during the day? There is no dosage info on the jar.
Thanks- Matt[/quote]
The taste would be a sign that you are in ketosis. I would suspect it would be fairly common during the induction phase. Also, not everyone will have the bad taste in their mouth, you are one of the ones that do appearantly.
The taste would be a sign that you are in ketosis. I would suspect it would be fairly common during the induction phase. Also, not everyone will have the bad taste in their mouth, you are one of the ones that do appearantly.[/quote]
I guess it also results in smelly piss. When I wake in the morn. and hit the head- look out. When does this all pass?
I have a first date this week and it will be hard to explain the camel breath and not letting my steak touch the mashed potato’s on my plate : )
The taste would be a sign that you are in ketosis. I would suspect it would be fairly common during the induction phase. Also, not everyone will have the bad taste in their mouth, you are one of the ones that do appearantly.
I guess it also results in smelly piss. When I wake in the morn. and hit the head- look out. When does this all pass?
I have a first date this week and it will be hard to explain the camel breath and not letting my steak touch the mashed potato’s on my plate : )[/quote]
Smelly urine is also a sign of ketosis. You are defenately in it. Anyway it shoul pass after you get some carbs in your system.
Is it a sweet taste, or more of an ammonia taste+smell? I dunno what ketosis “tastes” like, but when I was doing distance running I used to taste\smell ammonia in the back of my throat. This is a classic sign of an extremely negative nitrogen balance, when your body is breaking down it’s own amino acids, (i.e muscle tissue) because you are not getting enough. I don’t know if this is anything like what you are going through, the “I’m finding it hard to get enough protein” comment caught my eye.
-CA.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Is it a sweet taste, or more of an ammonia taste+smell? I dunno what ketosis “tastes” like, but when I was doing distance running I used to taste\smell ammonia in the back of my throat. This is a classic sign of an extremely negative nitrogen balance, when your body is breaking down it’s own amino acids, (i.e muscle tissue) because you are not getting enough. I don’t know if this is anything like what you are going through, the “I’m finding it hard to get enough protein” comment caught my eye.
-CA.[/quote]
The weekend is not just a carb up. You need to take in fats too. Adding fats to your weekend diet should help get your calories up where you need them. Hint: A classic triple from Wendy’s has about 920 calories, top that off with a large frosty and you should be well on your way to achieving your caloric needs.
Todd[/quote]
I ate about 4000 cals on Sat. 40% fat 40% carbs 20 % protien. I’m trying to get below 10% bodyfat right now.
FS,
This is the king of diets. Works for any active person. Gender is not an issue. Many women don’t eat as much meat, but you can easily get some powder, low carb milk, eggs, cheese, cream, olive oil etc… and not have to choke down bunches of meat. Just expect the adaptation process to likely be rough. It will often test your resolve. Some do make it through easily but they are in the minority. Once adapted, welcome to the best thing going.
DH
[quote]flameslayer wrote:
O.k. - I’ve read all 33 pages of this thread and am intrigued. Got all the basics + some. Would like some opinions on a couple of things:
I’m a firefighter and have a 2nd job doing lawn servicing and have a deck and fence co, on the side, so I stay busy. I’ve been doing the “Renaissance Body Development” program for a couple of weeks now (found it suited best for my job). Looking gain strength with some size.
Would the AD work well for this? Earlier in the thread someone asked about women using the AD and I don’t remember any responses, any info on that? Thanks for your time and thoughts.[/quote]