=( I’ll have to look harder… either that or the spinach growing out of the ground in the town surrounding my school just has lots of carbs in it… haha
but yea… i eat broccoli almost half the week every week at least… any good cooking tips? too lazy to figure out how to steam it properly or look for a steamer but i just boil it for like… no more than minute… poor the water out… put the cover back on and steam it inside
sorta getting bored of my food =(
this is a pretty huge thread
I’m interested in this diet. My main questions are:
(1) how is this diet for athletes? I’m not looking to run a marathon or anything, but I do olympic lifting and long sessions and need to lift the whole week with 0-2 days between sessions because legs need recovery time
(2) is there some way the diet could be tweaked to fit the bill? Such as, carb load twice a week? My current diet would basically be the anabolic diet if I cut out the milk, bread, most fruit during the week. I also tend to eat higher carb a couple days a week and do cardio, and now that I learn about this diet I think some of the higher carb eating carries over to the lifting days.
I am also very used to low carb as I was on the v-diet for over a month. Right now my main goals are strength progression, increased size, and maintaining or losing body fat while doing this. I just assumed the best way would be to watch what I eat but eat a lot of clean food and maintain/experience a slight loss in bodyfat while getting stronger and gaining muscle, and eventually cut and diet the rest of the fat off if I am so inclined. But now I’m considering this diet as a possible alternative
I doubt it’s a good idea but the whole concept of eating 6 eggs and 6 slices of bacon for brakfast is certainly appealing!
thoughts?
-Jeff
Hm… I’m pretty new to everything myself, but I do believe this diet was first designed for bodybuilders/powerlifters… I suppose it’d be alright?
[quote]DirtyRobot wrote:
Jedi06 wrote:
Any advice…?
If you’re only concern is your physique, I would do what you did last summer. If it worked, it worked.
If you’re doing the AD because you want to enjoy carb loads more, maybe try shortening the carb up. Dropping cals just a wee bit during the week, or something? Small changes, I think, until you see the results you want.
The best thing to do, I think, is keep track of things so you know exactly how things effect you. What do your carb ups look like right now? You said “clean,” but you can often optimize things even if they are technically “clean,” especially on carb ups. For example, lean chicken breast is a wonderful clean food, but probably not the best for a carb up. 
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Hi thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I guess my main goal is easthetic BUT I have always enjoyed being fit and healthy so I have been enjoying getting stronger with te wts the past two years (just got my squat up to 75kg for several sets) and I am trying to see if the AD can be combined with running at least half marathon distances. However right now I am choosing LEAN FOR SUMMER as my overriding goal
My Carb up is 24 hours and last week it was :
Oatmeal, whey apple, raisins 2 eggs
Homemade cereal bread + ham/lettuce
All bran cereal whey raisins
banana prunes 1 tbs peanut butter
2 pieces dark chocolate oh and cereal bar after my 16km run
= 2485 cals
Fat 84gr
Carbs 370gr
Protein 129gr
PS this day lacked veggies but during the week I eat broccoli and spinach all the time But I have had consitpation problems despite lots of flaxseed (they don’t sell psyllium husks in France)
I feel like I am looking leaner but the scale isn’t moving and the measurements aren’t really changing??
I guess if I can tweak other things and keep calories around 1700 I would like to as I am seeing rpogress on all my lifts at the moment. I don’t think I want to reduce the length of carb load to under 24 hours. maybe as you say just drop a little to around 1600 per day
Anyone using R-Ala? I tried 200mg of SAN’s NA-R-ALA after my week-days workoout with creatine/whey/bcaa to ‘help with creatine uptake’. I felt like i am going into glycemic coma…
Alright,
here is a sample of what i ate yesterday:
4 eggs, 70 grams of cheese, 200g iceberg lettuce
200g grilled beef, 30g olive oil, 200g chineese cabbage
45g of protein powder (1g of carbs), 20g ground flax seeds, 20g olive oil
grilled lamb, 200g spinach
canned salmon 200g, 30g grapeseed oil, 200g spinach
same as above
It’s made about 60g of total carbs, of which 32 is fiber and 28 net carbs.
And here is what i am gonna eat today as a carb load:
100g ground raw oats, 250g low-fat milk, 5g olive oil
100g barley, 200g strawberries, 10g butter
100g buckwheat, 250g low-fat milk, some butter
80g brown rice, 50g chicken breast, some tomatoes, some butter with the rice
100g oatmeal with wheat bran, Nesquick with 250g milk (whoo-hoo!), blueberries, butter.
Makes 477g of carbs (75 of which is fiber, omg) - 50%, 127g of fat - 32%, 150g of protein - 16%. Each meal has the approximately the same macro breakdown.
What do you guys think? Am i doing ok with fat on carb-ups? With carbs on weekdays?
[quote]mdragon wrote:
This is the start of a thread about the effects of the anabolic diet on me. I bought the book after reading the “Tell em David Barr Sent ya” thread. Disc Hoss is a Hoss. I want to be one strong mo’ fo’ Hoss myself.
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Mdragon:
After almost 3 years this thread is still going. I would like to know how your body comp has changed and your strenght levels???
Zluke, your fat days look solid bro, whats the breakdown for the fat and protein on that day?
also your carb up looks perfect ratio’s. one thing i would do is add in more Omega 3’s and olive oil instead of some of the other fats on the carb up days.
Dont know if i read it right but if your only doing a 24hour refeed (which i do prefer) you could up your carb intake.
Definately on the right path bro, feel free to PM me.
Sawadeekrob - Im not sure if mdragon is still round these parts, i remember seeing him say he doesnt like to post of threads that much, he was on T-Nation to learn and then get on with his training. Would be awesome to hear from him, if hes still on the ‘AD lifestyle’ and how its affected him.
on a side note - anyone know where dischoss has gone??
[quote]Ad B wrote:
Sawadeekrob - Im not sure if mdragon is still round these parts, i remember seeing him say he doesnt like to post of threads that much, he was on T-Nation to learn and then get on with his training. Would be awesome to hear from him, if hes still on the ‘AD lifestyle’ and how its affected him.
on a side note - anyone know where dischoss has gone?? [/quote]
Thanks as I have been doing the AD but for periods and wanted to know of anyone that has closely followed it for more than 2 years to see some lab data or at least some descriptive data.
I have been following it strictly since about 1.5 years and while my numbers have been increasing steadily, the fat loss has been substantial. However from looking at my logs when the carbs were consumed with the training days the strenght increases were much more dramatic.
Thanks again for answering!
Ad B,
Thank you for your comments, bro. My breakdown for week-day is P - 35%, F- 65% and 30g of carbs. For the carb up it is P 15%, C 50% and 35% of fat. This is my first carb up and i decided to try it for 36 hours, which means i will have 12 carb meals (two days of six per day).
You are right about mono sats - i really lack them on the carb ups. Will add some olive oil instead of butter. I just wanted some poridge with butter, you know
About the carb up - as you may see, my carb sources are not fast carbs - raw oats, raw buckwheat and barley. Is it ok?
EDIT:
Just realized, that you meant the breakdown of the FAT, not the overall macro breakdown.
weekdays: sat - 25%, poly - 28%, mono - 45%.
Carb up: sat - 69%, poly - 10%, mono - 20%.
Yeah… too much of sat fats. Too much of butter and milk. Alright, i will shift to 0.5% milk and olive oil!
For the Easter Holiday I am planning a short break ( five days ) in London and will not be adhering too strictly to the AD protocol ( I fib a bit there as I wont be adhering to it AT ALL ) Should I in preparation for my trip forego the upcoming carb up this Friday and do a sort of prolonged induction again? Or just treat the trip away as a total break and just get back on the wagon when I return?
In need of EXPERT advice here…
Going into Week 10 of the diet. My goal was to gain a little muscle and lean down. Basically, I want to see my abs. Lean down, get ripped.
I started at 172 (6’0 height). The diet has brought me up to fluctuating between 178 and 184 during the week. I look good, have gained considerable muscle and am burning fat BUT my abs aren’t even close yet. They are better, but I have had this consistent layer of fat (not decreasing per measurements) over the last 3 to 4 weeks or so. That said, I have continued to see gains in muscle during that time.
I started with calories around 2800, moved down to 2200 around Week 5, then around to 1850 over the last 2 weeks. I am now moving the total calories down to just under 1600.
Is this the right approach to reach my goal of ripping my abs??? I feel like I have been on the diet long enough to reach this goal and am frustrated it hasn’t happened yet.
Here is my diet mix…56% fat, 39% protein…about 23 carbs per day. My carb load is sometimes 48 hours, and other times 36 hours. I don’t overeat on my carb loads, but eat whatever I want (candy, pizza, beer, sandwiches, chips, mexican food). I sometimes drink alcohol but in moderation.
Actual Diet: (drink 1.25 gallons water daily)
Meal 1: Whey Shake, Olive Oil
Meal 2: (PWO) Eggs & Bacon, Fish Oil, MultiVitamin
Meal 3: Kielbasa Sausage
Meal 4: Tuna, Cauliflower, Ranch Dressing, Fish Oil
Meal 5: Olive Oil, Peanut Butter, and 1 of the following (salmon, steak, or salami)
Meal 6: Whey Shake, Cheddar Cheese, Fish Oil
The portions change based on caloric goals.
I think I have given you all information that you would need. I work out 4 days a week, do cardio 2 days a week.
Any suggestions??? I’m pushing ahead, but a little worried I am knocking down my calories so low now. Is this OK? Or am I doing something else wrong somewhere in my diet, my carb load, anywhere? I’m just not trying to get huge, but am happy with the muscle I have added. Just want the 6-7% body fat and to see the 6 pack.
Please help. All comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks guys.
Hi all. I wondered something. Actually i’m eating burgers which contains about 51% beef and 20% vegetal protein. There’s no nutritionals values or ingredient list on it but it says it contain less than 25% collagen. My question is, is it possible that it contain sugar ? And if so, should i switch to a 100% beef product? Or is it ok to eat it as it cannot contain that much carb? (I’m asking that because there’s a certain difference in price between 100% beef and other products )
Thanks in advance.
PS : forgot to mention : the website doesn’t list this product either 
[quote]calzone23 wrote:
In need of EXPERT advice here…
Going into Week 10 of the diet. My goal was to gain a little muscle and lean down. Basically, I want to see my abs. Lean down, get ripped.
I started at 172 (6’0 height). The diet has brought me up to fluctuating between 178 and 184 during the week. I look good, have gained considerable muscle and am burning fat BUT my abs aren’t even close yet. They are better, but I have had this consistent layer of fat (not decreasing per measurements) over the last 3 to 4 weeks or so. That said, I have continued to see gains in muscle during that time.
I started with calories around 2800, moved down to 2200 around Week 5, then around to 1850 over the last 2 weeks. I am now moving the total calories down to just under 1600.
Is this the right approach to reach my goal of ripping my abs??? I feel like I have been on the diet long enough to reach this goal and am frustrated it hasn’t happened yet.
Here is my diet mix…56% fat, 39% protein…about 23 carbs per day. My carb load is sometimes 48 hours, and other times 36 hours. I don’t overeat on my carb loads, but eat whatever I want (candy, pizza, beer, sandwiches, chips, mexican food). I sometimes drink alcohol but in moderation.
Actual Diet: (drink 1.25 gallons water daily)
Meal 1: Whey Shake, Olive Oil
Meal 2: (PWO) Eggs & Bacon, Fish Oil, MultiVitamin
Meal 3: Kielbasa Sausage
Meal 4: Tuna, Cauliflower, Ranch Dressing, Fish Oil
Meal 5: Olive Oil, Peanut Butter, and 1 of the following (salmon, steak, or salami)
Meal 6: Whey Shake, Cheddar Cheese, Fish Oil
The portions change based on caloric goals.
I think I have given you all information that you would need. I work out 4 days a week, do cardio 2 days a week.
Any suggestions??? I’m pushing ahead, but a little worried I am knocking down my calories so low now. Is this OK? Or am I doing something else wrong somewhere in my diet, my carb load, anywhere? I’m just not trying to get huge, but am happy with the muscle I have added. Just want the 6-7% body fat and to see the 6 pack.
Please help. All comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks guys.[/quote]
To be honest, in my opinion cleaning up the carb ups a little, tracking cals during them, and ESPECIALLY cutting alcohol will do you a lot of good. I might even start with cutting the alc first to see what happens… its surprising the difference just that can make.
calzone23,
I second what CJK said. Try to stick to oatmeal, brown rice and other clean starchy carbs. You might also wanna try waving calories through out the week, so your body doesn’t go into starvation mode.
I think I read a few times in this enormous thread that becoming fully adapted to burning fat comes a few months into the diet ( if adhered to fully ). What about a reversal? How long a spell would you need to consume carbs for to get back to burning carbs as a prime fuel and be back to square one?
Hi, I have a few questions before starting this diet, maybe someone could answer them for me…
Is there supposed to be fat in the pre/post workout shake and no carbs?
I know that if I don’t have some carbs before I workout my strength goes down a bit…
Haven’t posted on here in a long time (I’ve been fat and sassy on full carbs for a while now) but I have a tip.
Go to the local health food store and get some lecithin granules. It only takes a wee bit of them to emulsify the olive oil I’m sure many of you are adding to your shakes. Something like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp will help mix up 102 Tbsp of oil in a normal size shake.
I got a quarter pound of granules for a buck or two at wheatsfield and I haven’t made a dent in them at all.
conorh,
I’ve been reading the thread from the beginning and on the page 70+ right now. Glad to have someone who had been on the diet since the beginning on the thread. Welcome back!
It really depends on how long you’ve been adhering to it. if you’ve fully adapted (thought of as 6 months at least on the diet) no longer than a week to be safe. if longer, i would re-do the induction phase. why do you ask?
[quote]steven alex wrote:
I think I read a few times in this enormous thread that becoming fully adapted to burning fat comes a few months into the diet ( if adhered to fully ). What about a reversal? How long a spell would you need to consume carbs for to get back to burning carbs as a prime fuel and be back to square one?[/quote]