My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]FFB WannaB wrote:

I have not contacted anyone besides my doc, he is fairly sharp, been researching on my own quietly for a long time now. I will at some point, venture out for more advice on the test issue, but am fairly sensitive about it right now, it was a pretty big step for me mentally! I am still concentrating on diet, my goals are closer and with test coming up I seem to have more energy to train more. That should keep the results coming, I am as focussed as ever now on my diet. I am thinking about pulling the carb up back from 24 hours to 1 or two carb up meals now though, even thinking one carbup per two weeks as per social engagements until I get that bf% down there. Think I would be sabotaging myself?
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I don’t know how long you have been on the AD. As some of the long time contributers have recently mentioned (Tiribulus, Pauli, Ovalpline), it is not a good idea to start tweaking the diet as laid out until you have around 6 months under your belt. By that time you will be fully fat adapted and have a better sense of how your body reacts.

The best rate of weight loss is about 2 lbs per week. That ensures that you maintain maximal muscle mass. As long as you are losing 2 lbs per week, you are doing great. Try to keep low carb day calories at around 18 * bodyweight and carb-ups clean (oatmeal, berries, sweet potato, whole wheat pasta, whole wheat bread, kidney beans, chic peas, lentils, the odd treat, etc.).

I would stay with at least a 1 day carb load if you are training with any intensity. You may be surprised that you actually lose more weight with the leptin reset you will experience after a good refeed. This tells your body that food is plentiful so there is no need to store fat. You can try varying your daily calorie intake during the week too as long as you hit your weekly maintenance calorie total. This serves to keep the body guessing and tends to increase fat loss.

Eating regularly during the day and adequately will also speed up your metabolism which will serve your goals well too. If you tend to bloat after consuming salty foods, avoid them (eg. bacon). In short, slow and sure wins the race. You have already made a lot of beneficial choices.

Great to hear your energy level is getting better with the T supplementation and that your doc is on the ball.

P.S.: In my prior post I wrote hCH. That was a typo. I meant hCG (human Chorionic Gonadotropin). It sends the signal to the gonads to produce more testosterone and tends to plump them up.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
jonnosferatu wrote:
I (slightly) question both cardio contentions, though I see the line of reasoning. Fasted cardio will probably still hit some muscle compared to a meal a few hours after a smaller meal, but I understand that it’ll almost certainly hit less here, and HIIT is vastly superior to conventional cardio regardless (conditioning purposes, mostly, though the protein sparing will still apply to some degree). >>>

Unless you are absolutely Clarence Bass ripped, adipose stores will be used during fasted cardio once you’re fully adapted.[/quote]

When you can provide me with some scientific evidence of this, I’ll be more than happy to take it as fact, but since very little research has actually been done relating to those on AD, I think I’ll stick with the notion that exertion without anything in your stomach is probably not the best idea, particularly if you’re interested in the long term rather than the short term.

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I’m reading page by page, but something came up that I want to ask…

I’m on Day 5, and although I’ve lost 5 lbs, I feel fatter. I don’t know how else to put it, I feel that my stomach spills over more if that makes sense. I think I’ve been pretty good on the carbs <30 except for one night where I may have gone a bit above, possible 35-40. Is this normal? I have less stomach definition then Day 2-3 and feel more round. Thanks for all the help!

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[quote]jonnosferatu wrote:
When you can provide me with some scientific evidence of this, I’ll be more than happy to take it as fact, but since very little research has actually been done relating to those on AD, I think I’ll stick with the notion that exertion without anything in your stomach is probably not the best idea, particularly if you’re interested in the long term rather than the short term.[/quote]

Oh, youth…

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[quote]hockeyroom28 wrote:
I’m reading page by page, but something came up that I want to ask…

I’m on Day 5, and although I’ve lost 5 lbs, I feel fatter. I don’t know how else to put it, I feel that my stomach spills over more if that makes sense. I think I’ve been pretty good on the carbs <30 except for one night where I may have gone a bit above, possible 35-40. Is this normal? I have less stomach definition then Day 2-3 and feel more round. Thanks for all the help![/quote]

ditto the above for me at up through day 8

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[quote]ovalpline wrote:
jonnosferatu wrote:
When you can provide me with some scientific evidence of this, I’ll be more than happy to take it as fact, but since very little research has actually been done relating to those on AD, I think I’ll stick with the notion that exertion without anything in your stomach is probably not the best idea, particularly if you’re interested in the long term rather than the short term.

Oh, youth…[/quote]

You find it amusing that I’m willing to question what I’m told?

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Hey Guys, Just started on the anabolic diet/solution yesterday and hoped i could join this forum for feedback advice etc whilst on the diet
Thanks

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[quote]hockeyroom28 wrote:
I’m reading page by page, but something came up that I want to ask…

I’m on Day 5, and although I’ve lost 5 lbs, I feel fatter. I don’t know how else to put it, I feel that my stomach spills over more if that makes sense. I think I’ve been pretty good on the carbs <30 except for one night where I may have gone a bit above, possible 35-40. Is this normal? I have less stomach definition then Day 2-3 and feel more round. Thanks for all the help![/quote]

Don’t sweat the daily fluctuations at the beginning stages. Are you eating salty foods like bacon and retaining water? If so, lose the salty stuff and you’ll look and feel leaner.

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i started on the anabolic diet yesterday, on around 3500cals per day.
Last night and today i have quite alot of water retention on my stomach prob the soft flabby look you described, i think it must be the salt and the fatty red meat maybe?

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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could give me any tips on how to get the book for the anabolic diet because I can’t seem to find it anywhere…

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[quote]Steel88 wrote:
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could give me any tips on how to get the book for the anabolic diet because I can’t seem to find it anywhere…[/quote]

Search for the Metabolic Diet or Anabolic Solution, it should bring up the Doc’s site. You could also try a file sharing site, as reported by others.

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[quote]Steel88 wrote:
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could give me any tips on how to get the book for the anabolic diet because I can’t seem to find it anywhere…[/quote]

I bought it on Amazon in the last month or two.

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[quote]hockeyroom28 wrote:
I’m reading page by page, but something came up that I want to ask…

I’m on Day 5, and although I’ve lost 5 lbs, I feel fatter. I don’t know how else to put it, I feel that my stomach spills over more if that makes sense. I think I’ve been pretty good on the carbs <30 except for one night where I may have gone a bit above, possible 35-40. Is this normal? I have less stomach definition then Day 2-3 and feel more round. Thanks for all the help![/quote]

Not to be too graphic, but make sure you’re using a good fiber supplement and pooping regularly. I often had the same “bloated” feel on the Anabolic Diet, but remedied it, for the most part, by supplementing with psyllium husks in my shakes. Gave me bowel movements to talk about.

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What would you suggest black cat for less water retention?
Only been on the diet 2 days and alot smoother with excess water on stomach,
Been eating steak mince, corned beef and sausages.
Is it normal to get water retention, will this go or is it here to stay, hope not.
Any advice from AD veterens would be cool

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[quote]Steel88 wrote:
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could give me any tips on how to get the book for the anabolic diet because I can’t seem to find it anywhere…[/quote]

I got the Anabolic Diet as an ebook on eBay for $1. I later bought the Anabolic Solution as an ebook from DiPasquale’s website but I’d save yourself some cash and go for the former.
The main variation is that in the updated version (i.e. Anabolic Solution), DiPasquale advocates an initial 12 days low carb, two days higher carb when you begin. The Anabolic Diet prescribed just the standard five days on two days days off.

The meal plans in the original book have also been dropped from the updated version. Personally I found some of these quite controversial anyway since many of the foods were very high in saturated fat, e.g. Spam, frying in butter, etc. Salmon, Mackeral, decent beef and lamb are better choices.

The Anabolic Diet was also written before DiPasqale started pushing supplements, so he outlines useful ingredients without pushing brands leaving you to concoct your own supplements based on his recommendations. In the Solution, he has included a very large appendix which acts as a product catalogue for his own supplements and is quite guarded as to the ingredients.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
JB

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Ok guys I have a few questions that probably have been asked many times. In the ebook it says to do your cal mait. for 3-4 weeks, then again it says only do it for 12 days before carb up. What do I use?

I will be using this AD for a cut, I need a some help doing my meal for the first on going weeks, 3000 cal is what I will be using.

Again sorry I know this has been asked many of times I’m sure

Weight 172
Height 5’7
Body Fat 21%

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I’ve done the diet off and on for about a year, so while I lack the experience of some on this forum, I think my experience can be instructive.

Beginners: Don’t worry about the water retention. Drink as much water as you can and, as the days march on, you’ll begin to really tighten up. For me it takes 3-4 days.

Not sure if this is valid scientifically, but I seem to lose fat far faster after a 2-day carb up with cheat meals rather than a 1-day carb up with clean carb sources. I think someone else mentioned this on the last page.

I don’t pretend to understand it; just want to report the results so far.

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[quote]jonnosferatu wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jonnosferatu wrote:
I (slightly) question both cardio contentions, though I see the line of reasoning. Fasted cardio will probably still hit some muscle compared to a meal a few hours after a smaller meal, but I understand that it’ll almost certainly hit less here, and HIIT is vastly superior to conventional cardio regardless (conditioning purposes, mostly, though the protein sparing will still apply to some degree). >>>

Unless you are absolutely Clarence Bass ripped, adipose stores will be used during fasted cardio once you’re fully adapted.

When you can provide me with some scientific evidence of this, I’ll be more than happy to take it as fact, but since very little research has actually been done relating to those on AD, I think I’ll stick with the notion that exertion without anything in your stomach is probably not the best idea, particularly if you’re interested in the long term rather than the short term.[/quote]

Do what you want. As long as you’re happy. Nothing is as “scientific” to me as observable results. I have never bought the whole fasted cardio necessarily eats muscle thing, even before the AD, because I am living proof that in at least some cases it just isn’t true. I don’t particularly care what some white coats in a lab conducting an under designed study come up with when it conflicts with empirical results. The old saying: A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument".

Take a cup of green tea and a teaspoon of EVOO a half hour before morning cardio and once your metabolism is fully primed from using that little bit of fat it will dip into adipose stores quite happily and you will burn that just about exclusively thus getting leaner and losing practically no muscle at all. Especially if you’re fully adapted. If anybody tries this and that does not happen I’ll post a picture of myself in a pink ballerina outfit. It makes absolutely no sense to eat protein before cardio when you’re trying to burn fat. If anything that will train your metabolism to use aminos for energy. I don’t care what studies say whatever, I have demonstrated this to myself.

Whatever anybody else thinks is their own affair.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Do what you want. As long as you’re happy. Nothing is as “scientific” to me as observable results. I have never bought the whole fasted cardio necessarily eats muscle thing, even before the AD, because I am living proof that in at least some cases it just isn’t true. I don’t particularly care what some white coats in a lab conducting an under designed study come up with when it conflicts with empirical results. The old saying: A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument".

Take a cup of green tea and a teaspoon of EVOO a half hour before morning cardio and once your metabolism is fully primed from using that little bit of fat it will dip into adipose stores quite happily and you will burn that just about exclusively thus getting leaner and losing practically no muscle at all. Especially if you’re fully adapted. If anybody tries this and that does not happen I’ll post a picture of myself in a pink ballerina outfit. It makes absolutely no sense to eat protein before cardio when you’re trying to burn fat. If anything that will train your metabolism to use aminos for energy. I don’t care what studies say whatever, I have demonstrated this to myself.

Whatever anybody else thinks is their own affair.[/quote]

Tirib, I seriously envy your patience.

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Hey guys, I know dreamfield’s pasta is kind of a gimmicky product, but I’m thinking it may be a good glycogen builder on the weekend without spiking blood sugar too much. opinions?