My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

zed962 · December 12, 2007, 10:24pm

[quote]FFB WannaB wrote:
At a little under 275 lbs. and 21% bodyfat, am I killing my metabolizm by eating 10 cal per lb. per day? It worked for the first 60 + lbs. I lost but I have stopped loosing fat at this point, no changes in measurements or scale. I keep blaming being sick every other week this winter, but maybe it is my diet? Or my crappy training schedule while sick![/quote]

Is your caloric intake held constant every day of the week, including your CHO load? Another question, how long is your load?

In my opinion, metabolism chases energy intake. If you want to stay at 10 kCal per lb. during the week, that’s fine. Then on Saturday, spike your calories. For breakfast, have a cheat meal of whatever you want. Chocolate chip pancakes, Krispy Kreme, french toast, I don’t really care. Then for your next three meals, eat only clean CHO sources, such as pasta, oatmeal, whole-grain bread, etc.

At dinner, go ahead and have another cheat meal. If you feel like eating any more after dinner, then keep it clean. If you load for two days, then eat go back to 10 calories per lb. on Sunday and eat the amount of CHO you need for to fit your macros. If you load one day, then hop back on the PRO and fat train.

What this does is re-set leptin levels and get your body back to burning fat rather than holding onto it. At this point, eating 2750 kCal per day at your weight will grind your metabolism to a halt if you don’t spike calories once a week. Your body thinks it’s starving; we weren’t designed to have abs. We have to trick our bodies into getting our bodyfat down.

Also, I know it’s been pages upon pages since I last posted, but I’ve read this entire thread a couple of times, the book at least five times, and have been rollin’ on the AD for about two months now. I’m not trying to yank this guy’s chain, just offer some help from personal experience.

-Zed

Edit: I should add that I was on the AD for about 6 months over a year ago. This is my second and last time on the AD. It’s the only way to go.

HouseOfAtlas · December 12, 2007, 11:33pm

[quote]fitzchivalry wrote:
You’re also losing the most nutritious/beneficial part of the egg.
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That’s true, but I do eat some yolks. Like I said, I eat about 4 a day, probably more. Everytime I eat eggs, I get in at least one or two egg yolks.

Pauli_D · December 13, 2007, 1:29am

[quote]FFB WannaB wrote:
Pauli D

12 eggs, 3 chicken breasts a pound + beef, in one day???

I eat almost nothing compared to you, how do you find time (and $$$)to eat so much? I can stay full on 2200 to 2700 cal per day on this diet. I don’t think I could burn off all those cals if I trained 2 times per day. Amazing.
The eggs are a good idea, I never thought about sneaking those throughout the day. Much easier than sneaking chicken breasts at work! Thanks

At a little under 275 lbs. and 21% bodyfat, am I killing my metabolizm by eating 10 cal per lb. per day? It worked for the first 60 + lbs. I lost but I have stopped loosing fat at this point, no changes in measurements or scale. I keep blaming being sick every other week this winter, but maybe it is my diet? Or my crappy training schedule while sick![/quote]

FFB WannaB

Yeah, 2200 kcals is not much …not to sustain 275 anyway. I would suspect that your metabolism may have adjusted itself by now.
Someone asked what your load was like -good question.
Another good question is whether or not you’re fluctuating kcals during the week.

I’d say at the very least you could adjust your weekly intake upwards.
Spiking your kcals a little bit is also very good advice.

Either way…if you don’t see the body comp changes you want…something needs to give -you gotta push things a bit in my experience.

Make small adjustments (500kcals +/-) and give them time to take effect. Steady wins the race!

Keep us posted though -k?

Peace

labikes · December 13, 2007, 6:14am

Hey guys, I bought the book. Does not say the best times to consume fat. Is it ok pre and post workout as well as before going to sleep?

Thanks in advance.

groversbeef · December 13, 2007, 8:47pm

[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
Hey guys!

Just thought I’d post and say that after looking at Pauli D’s diet for one day, I thought I’d look up and see the stats for egg whites and whole eggs.

I eat a lot of eggs and on the carton it says each egg has 1g, so if this is how it is, that’ll put me close to my max of carbs for the day, which sucks.

I went to:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

By the way, that website is great to look up food and see how much protein, fats, carbs, vitmains, etc., is in it.

I found out that egg whites only have .24g of carbs and a whole egg has .56g of carbs. Yes, this seems like nitpicking, but I like to have close to 20 eggs a day and probably 4 yolks, so if I eat 20 egg whites, I’m looking at about 5g of carbs compared to the 20 I thought I was taking in.

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I’ve been eating a lot of Omega 3 eggs lately and the label indicates 0g carbs. Does anyone know this to be true or do you think they are rounding here?

Also, I am about 2 months on the Anabolic diet now and feeling great. I count all carbs (less fiber) including green vegetables. I’m wondering if I actually need to be counting green vegetables at this point? I thought I read, somewhere in this huge thread, that after adapting there is no need to count carbs from green veggies. Am I way off here?

Thanks,

-GB

Thomas_Gabriel · December 13, 2007, 5:16pm

Does anyone know why there would be a fat rebound on the AD? I lost a ton of fat when I started. I was the leanest of my life. But slowly, the fat has been coming back on with no change in diet. I’ve limited the cheat days to one day a week now, but it hasn’t helped.

Squash85 · December 14, 2007, 12:18am

Day 4 and so far so good. Feeling much more alert and focused than on my previous high carb plan. I haven’t felt the need for a nap yet. I’ve noticed slightly less energy in my workouts, but I know it will improve once I make the metabolic shift.

The last 3 months I made good progress but always felt bloated, sluggish, tired, etc. I am done doing that shit. Being formerly obese for several years, my insulin resistance is totally trashed.

Nutso · December 14, 2007, 4:51pm

[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Does anyone know why there would be a fat rebound on the AD? I lost a ton of fat when I started. I was the leanest of my life. But slowly, the fat has been coming back on with no change in diet. I’ve limited the cheat days to one day a week now, but it hasn’t helped. [/quote]

You might be taking in too much calories. Try dropping 500 or 1000 from your daily intake and see if it helped or not.

Nemean_Lion · December 14, 2007, 5:14pm

This diet is cool!
-NL

toocul4u · December 14, 2007, 8:51pm

what do you guys think of about a pound of broccoli as a before bed snack?

Nemean_Lion · December 14, 2007, 9:38pm

I have noticed that since starting this diet a few weeks ago, my temper is a lot shorter and sex is a lot better. Proof of higher testosterone.

I have also noticed that these effects are much more pronounced when the primary meat is beef, but not when the primary meat is chicken and turkey. I think there’s some good stuff in red meat.

I remember reading somewhere when I was a kid that Muhammad Ali used to eat just steak for 6 weeks before his fights.

NL

ovalpline · December 14, 2007, 10:27pm

[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Does anyone know why there would be a fat rebound on the AD? I lost a ton of fat when I started. I was the leanest of my life. But slowly, the fat has been coming back on with no change in diet. I’ve limited the cheat days to one day a week now, but it hasn’t helped. [/quote]

Unfortunately bodyfat begets more bodyfat. Your nutrient partioning will be less efficient as you gain more fat, resulting in increased fat storage. It’s a real son of a bitch. Your best bet is to shift gears and work on losing bodyfat and/or eliminate the cheat day and make it a carb day.

Once you are lean again, begin to slowly introduce cheat foods. That said, it’s probably not completely necessary to eliminate all cheat foods on your carb-up, just limit them to #1 meal max and never forget that calories, while they don’t matter, matter.

Pauli_D · December 15, 2007, 2:25am

[quote]toocul4u wrote:
what do you guys think of about a pound of broccoli as a before bed snack?[/quote]

I think it’s pretty ambitious…that’s what I think.
What would motivate you to eat that much broccoli before bed?

Pauli_D · December 15, 2007, 2:37am

[quote]groversbeef wrote:

Also, I am about 2 months on the Anabolic diet now and feeling great. I count all carbs (less fiber) including green vegetables. I’m wondering if I actually need to be counting green vegetables at this point? I thought I read, somewhere in this huge thread, that after adapting there is no need to count carbs from green veggies. Am I way off here?

Thanks,

-GB

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“By the Book” they should be counted…but in practicality it’s probably an individual thing.

I’ve tried both approaches (counting/not counting) and haven’t experienced enough of a difference to matter.

I suppose if you were sub 5% and leaning up for a show -then yes, you’d better count every little thing.
Other than that…I really don’t think it’s going to break you either way.

As an aside…the more raw veggies you eat the better -especially if you’re cutting. If you’re trying to gain you’re better off eating most of your veggies cooked.

Cooked veggies seem to leave more room for higher calorie foods while raw fills you up and ‘keeps your insides busy.’

labikes · December 15, 2007, 12:14pm

I looked and searched everywhere and cant find any suggestions as to when to do my cardio for my cutting cycle. The book just says cut calories, but does not alaborate on any exercise advice. Please help guys, starting tomorrow and really need your help.

fitzchivalry · December 17, 2007, 7:36pm

Anyone just try a carb meal for the weekend (i.e. a really big one Saturday night)?

AgeRage · December 17, 2007, 6:06pm

Hey everyone! Just catching up, haven’t come in here in a while!! THIS caught my eye:

[quote]Pauli D wrote:

A few pages back, Chris mentioned pure cocoa…low on carbs, big on flavor.

Another tasty treat w/cocoa:
A tbsp or so in your cottage cheese at night w/ some natty peanut butter if you must -although I prefer a handful of almonds in mine. Add a pkt of Splenda/Aspartame to taste.

Pretty girls just love it -and they don’t even know it’s good for 'em.

peace
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I LOVE cocoa, great when I want something kinda sweet and chocolate! SO I’m a pretty girl and I DO know that haha

AgeRage · December 18, 2007, 1:11am

[quote]fitzchivalry wrote:
Anyone just try a carb meal for the weekend (i.e. a really big one Saturday night)?[/quote]

I thought about it…just not sure if it would affect my workouts, even tho I have great energy and strength during the week

Pauli_D · December 18, 2007, 1:20am

Now that’s my kinda Girl!!

[quote]AgeRage wrote:
Hey everyone! Just catching up, haven’t come in here in a while!! THIS caught my eye:

Pauli D wrote: