My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

I absolutely love throwing back a shot of olive oil once or twice a day. haha. I will stay fat adapted for life with these habits of mine.

I am reading the entire thread, got the original Anabolic Diet pdf I believe. Perhaps a BB edition because the data seems extremely centered on bodybuilding for a PL guy to be writing.

Talking about “Well when your 8 weeks out from contest, _____” you know what I mean? Very body building specific. Great read though. First time through I kind of mentally skipped anything I thought was too bodybuilder centered, but since then I have begun to re-read it all including the obviously BB side of the isle.

That being said my only real objective is to look good naked. Arghhh I said it! Yeah benching over 300 would be nice, but at the end of the day I suppose I’m closer to a bodybuilders mentality in that hypertrophy and getting to a low bf% are my primary objectives.

If I am at 20% bf, which I am… do you all think after the 12 day intro I should go for the “cut” cycle, following the carb-up of course.

I look forward to reading each and every post, like a true E-stalker.

Ps. What do you all think about calorie cycling throughout the week? I really want to cut ASAP, and after I do my 12 days I am thinking of keeping the weekly cals where they need to be (18 x bodywieght), but shifting the daily intake to control leptin etc…

Here is the cutting phase from the AS for BBer’s:

[quote]Dr D wrote:
Cutting Phase

Again, we don’t change the mechanics of the Metabolic Diet in any phase, at least as far as the carb intakes. It’s always 5 days high protein, low followed by 24-48 hours of carb loading. The only thing we change is the amount of calories and fat we eat. Since it�??s important to keep protein levels high (perhaps even higher than when in the other phases since as you lower calories, more protein is oxidized directly for energy, and used to form glucose through the gluconeogenesis) and carbs are already low, we have to decrease the amount of fat we eat during the low carb phase and to a lesser extent through the higher carb phase.

In the Cutting or Definition Phase we’ll be cutting calories as a way of trimming fat off the body. The reason we can do this is quite simple. We�??ve trained our bodies to burn fat as its primary fuel, so as we decrease the caloric intake and dietary fat levels, the body naturally turns to using our body fat as fuel and continues to spare muscle.

Lower Dietary Fat When Adapted
�?� Once fat adapted and you�??re into a cutting phase the amount of fat in the diet naturally decreases. The body then uses body fat as its primary fuel. Thus lipolysis and oxidation of body fat increases.
�?� Protein intake stays the same or increases

As a rule of thumb, you should cut 500 calories a day from your diet the first week. If you were at say 4,000 during the Strength Phase cut it to 3,500 per day during the first week of your cutting. The next week you should drop another 200 to 500 from the daily diet, depending on how many calories you�??re taking in. For example someone taking in only 2000 calories would only cut down 200 calories. During this time you must measure bodyfat weekly. What you want to do is LOSE 1.5-2 POUNDS OF BODYFAT EACH WEEK. Losing 1.5-2 pounds a week will insure that you don’t lose appreciable lean mass as you cut.

If you find at the end of the second week that you’ve lost less than 1.5 pounds during the week, you’ll know you should cut another 200 to 500 calories the next week and continue cutting calories in subsequent weeks, anywhere from 100 to 500 calories until you’re at the 1.5 level. Likewise, if you’re losing more than 2 pounds of bodyfat during the week you’ll know you’ve cut too many calories and will need to adjust them upward.

And you don�??t have to make the cuts in specific calorie increments. You can fine tune how many calories you add or subtract in any amount. The usual progression is to make the changes 500 calories at a time the first time, and then maybe 100 to 500 calories the next few weeks and then 100 to 200 calories at a time as you get closer to your goal.

The important thing to remember here is that it’s not calories we’re really after. It’s bodyfat. Because of this you’ve got to allow for individual variations in calorie count to get that optimum 1.5 to 2 pounds of fat loss. You’ll be doing plenty of experimentation in this phase to find the right caloric intake for you. Though the 500 calorie drops we outlined above seem to be a good general starting point, especially for those starting with the higher calorie intakes, you’re going to have to find what works best for you. Also the calorie levels you eventually drop to will vary according to your initial caloric intake as well as to you metabolism and how you respond to the calorie cuts.

For example, I’ve dropped some bodybuilders on the diet from a 5,000 calorie a day level to 3,000 in the cutting phase. In a few others, I’ve taken them as low as 1,500 to see what happens. If they’re losing a fair amount of bodyfat (remember the 1.5-2 pound guideline), getting leaner and not losing significant lean body mass I’ll leave them at that level until they “lean out”. At that point, I’ll increase calories gradually to the point that they’ll maintain or possibly even lose bodyfat while increasing lean mass again.

Bodybuilders who just want to cut up and are starting at a higher bodyfat level can go directly into the Cutting Phase. They should start at a reasonable daily calorie value, usually15 CALORIES PER POUND OF BODYWEIGHT. Someone weighing 200 lbs at say 17% bodyfat should start at around 3000 calories a day and then follow the instructions above on calorie adjustments needed to maintain the optimum weekly fat loss and minimal loss of muscle mass. Don�??t start too low. You�??ll have plenty of time to lose that bodyfat in the right way. If you start too low the lack of food may be more of a problem than the lack of carbs, and may sabotage your efforts to stick to the diet through the all-important first week.

Keys to Success in the Cutting Phase

1. -Measure bodyfat weekly 
2. -Lose 1.5-2 pounds a week 
3. -Experiment with caloric intake. Cutting 500 per day the first week and 100-500 per day in subsequent weeks is a rough guideline 
4. -Refine your contest preparation 
5. -Experiment with foods 

Experiment With Foods

Basically, the Metabolic Diet’s “5-day, 2-day” week is almost like getting a person in shape for a contest every week. In the weekend carb loading part of the diet, you’ll find out exactly how many hours you can load up on carbs before you begin to smooth out and lose your contest look.

When you get to your “pre-contest” phase you really won’t have to make many changes. You’ll be doing the same thing you’ve been doing for the last several weeks in the Cutting Phase. You’ll go off the higher fat, high protein diet and carb up to dramatically increase the glycogen and water inside the muscle cell. You want them swollen and big but you’ll cut off the carbs before you begin to reservoir extra-cellular water or fat and smooth out.

During the Cutting Phase, you’ll also want to be refining contest preparation. Play with the kinds of foods you eat on the weekends to see what gives you maximum muscle size. You’ll know on Monday morning if what you’ve been eating is right for you. If it is, you’ll be looking good. Muscles will be huge and you’ll be cut up with a nice, pronounced vascularity.

If you don’t look good, you’ll know you did something wrong. Go back and rework your diet the next weekend and see if you can get some improvement. That’s the beauty of this diet. By the time a contest approaches, you’ve already perfected your contest diet by practicing it during the Cutting Phase.

On the old carb diet, you did this only once. On this diet you do it every week during the “cutting” phase and you become an expert in how to manipulate your body for a contest.

Experiment with high and low sugar foods and percentages of fat intake on these weekends. See what they do for you. Treat each weekend as if your contest were imminent. That way you’ll know what it takes to come into a contest looking your best. You’ll also experience an increase in confidence because you’ll know what to expect from your body and how to get it contest ready.[/quote]

Fantastic, nearly verbatim to the version I found so I have the BB guide :slight_smile:

Following the traditional adaptation period: Being a 200lb guy, I will head to 3000cals, 50%fat, 47%protein and 3%carbs. My carb up will be the first… and while the “coma” you all seemed to experience by having a blast with your first carb up I think I’ll go very clean. My bf% goals are just too important to me.

My fat distribution is so funny. Nearly ALL of it is on the lower portion of my abdominals. Had my bf percentage taken when on the HS basketball team, taking 5 caliper measurements and doing the whole ordeal, the tester looks up at me and goes “Well, these 4 measurements put you at 12 percent…unfortunetly the last site has you at 24 percent bodyfat”…

Needless to say the final site was the 2 inches to the side of my belly button one! In order to get my gut busted I will need some serious work! Wish me luck guys!

Thank you for posting Trib

I have those same accumulation patterns. It’s called “the pooch” But if you stay clean and low GI on your CHO ups you will rip it off no worries. At least I (we) have a belly button to mindlessly play with till the end. I can see the veins in my legs before my lower abs. funny shit.

-chris

[quote]plutusplutus wrote:
Fantastic, nearly verbatim to the version I found so I have the BB guide :slight_smile:

Following the traditional adaptation period: Being a 200lb guy, I will head to 3000cals, 50%fat, 47%protein and 3%carbs. My carb up will be the first… and while the “coma” you all seemed to experience by having a blast with your first carb up I think I’ll go very clean. My bf% goals are just too important to me.

My fat distribution is so funny. Nearly ALL of it is on the lower portion of my abdominals. Had my bf percentage taken when on the HS basketball team, taking 5 caliper measurements and doing the whole ordeal, the tester looks up at me and goes “Well, these 4 measurements put you at 12 percent…unfortunetly the last site has you at 24 percent bodyfat”…

Needless to say the final site was the 2 inches to the side of my belly button one! In order to get my gut busted I will need some serious work! Wish me luck guys!

Thank you for posting Trib [/quote]

[quote]Avocado wrote:
I have those same accumulation patterns. It’s called “the pooch” But if you stay clean and low GI on your CHO ups you will rip it off no worries. At least I (we) have a belly button to mindlessly play with till the end. I can see the veins in my legs before my lower abs. funny shit.

-chris

plutusplutus wrote:
Fantastic, nearly verbatim to the version I found so I have the BB guide :slight_smile:

Following the traditional adaptation period: Being a 200lb guy, I will head to 3000cals, 50%fat, 47%protein and 3%carbs. My carb up will be the first… and while the “coma” you all seemed to experience by having a blast with your first carb up I think I’ll go very clean. My bf% goals are just too important to me.

My fat distribution is so funny. Nearly ALL of it is on the lower portion of my abdominals. Had my bf percentage taken when on the HS basketball team, taking 5 caliper measurements and doing the whole ordeal, the tester looks up at me and goes “Well, these 4 measurements put you at 12 percent…unfortunetly the last site has you at 24 percent bodyfat”…

Needless to say the final site was the 2 inches to the side of my belly button one! In order to get my gut busted I will need some serious work! Wish me luck guys!

Thank you for posting Trib

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Thats so funny man! I was doing something similar to this prior, and the fat really started to come off. I can see a good deal of vascularity in my legs, quads, calves, hammys the whole thing…the veins run up and up and BOOM disappear when they enter the “pooch” as you called it. haha funny stuff. It’s funny have pretty distinct upper abs, and 3 inches below I can fold make the infamous “talking vagina” hahaha cracks up everybody at the gym.

I have those same accumulation patterns. It’s called “the pooch” But if you stay clean and low GI on your CHO ups you will rip it off no worries. At least I (we) have a belly button to mindlessly play with till the end. I can see the veins in my legs before my lower abs. funny shit.

-chris

[quote]plutusplutus wrote:
Fantastic, nearly verbatim to the version I found so I have the BB guide :slight_smile:

Following the traditional adaptation period: Being a 200lb guy, I will head to 3000cals, 50%fat, 47%protein and 3%carbs. My carb up will be the first… and while the “coma” you all seemed to experience by having a blast with your first carb up I think I’ll go very clean. My bf% goals are just too important to me.

My fat distribution is so funny. Nearly ALL of it is on the lower portion of my abdominals. Had my bf percentage taken when on the HS basketball team, taking 5 caliper measurements and doing the whole ordeal, the tester looks up at me and goes “Well, these 4 measurements put you at 12 percent…unfortunetly the last site has you at 24 percent bodyfat”…

Needless to say the final site was the 2 inches to the side of my belly button one! In order to get my gut busted I will need some serious work! Wish me luck guys!

Thank you for posting Trib [/quote]

LOL. Hey guys. I have the EXACT same thing. It’s the ONE and ONLY reason I’ve been cutting for so long. Everyone I know thinks I’m crazy when I tell them I’m cutting. Have to though! It just doesn’t go with the rest of the body.

[quote]plutusplutus wrote:
Avocado wrote:
I have those same accumulation patterns. It’s called “the pooch” But if you stay clean and low GI on your CHO ups you will rip it off no worries. At least I (we) have a belly button to mindlessly play with till the end. I can see the veins in my legs before my lower abs. funny shit.

-chris

plutusplutus wrote:
Fantastic, nearly verbatim to the version I found so I have the BB guide :slight_smile:

Following the traditional adaptation period: Being a 200lb guy, I will head to 3000cals, 50%fat, 47%protein and 3%carbs. My carb up will be the first… and while the “coma” you all seemed to experience by having a blast with your first carb up I think I’ll go very clean. My bf% goals are just too important to me.

My fat distribution is so funny. Nearly ALL of it is on the lower portion of my abdominals. Had my bf percentage taken when on the HS basketball team, taking 5 caliper measurements and doing the whole ordeal, the tester looks up at me and goes “Well, these 4 measurements put you at 12 percent…unfortunetly the last site has you at 24 percent bodyfat”…

Needless to say the final site was the 2 inches to the side of my belly button one! In order to get my gut busted I will need some serious work! Wish me luck guys!

Thank you for posting Trib

Thats so funny man! I was doing something similar to this prior, and the fat really started to come off. I can see a good deal of vascularity in my legs, quads, calves, hammys the whole thing…the veins run up and up and BOOM disappear when they enter the “pooch” as you called it. haha funny stuff. It’s funny have pretty distinct upper abs, and 3 inches below I can fold make the infamous “talking vagina” hahaha cracks up everybody at the gym.
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A huge help has been skin raking. I just apply some castor oil and rub it around with this rubber thing for scrubbing stuff.

I am a huge hippy (not really) and buy into all kinds of naturopathic type shit. The accumulated poisons that are stored in fat (fat soluble, like vitamins of some types) don’t like it when you burn the fat because your bosy doesn’t want to release the poison. So apparently the castor oil helps get the toxic shit out through the skin. Works ok so far even just to get blood flow going.

Also, it is the site for cortisol accumulated fat. So be sure to chill out and it will go away faster.

-chris

What is skin raking??

Hey, I have a trainer at 24 Hour Fitness (a “master trainer”), and I told him I’m on the Anabolic Diet. Well then he goes on and on about how bad it is. 1/2 way through his ranting I realized that he doesn’t even know what the diet IS. He thinks it’s the same as the Atkins diet.

I told him it’s not the Atkins diet, it’s the Anabolic Diet, and there’s a weekend carb-up. I told him I’d give him the book if he wanted to read it. He refuses to read the book because he “already knows the outcome is bad.” Pissed the F— out of me. F—!

wtf are you doing with a “master trainer”? you’ve got all the help you need right here. between the author’s articles, and forums you’ve got all you need. hire an experienced “coach” if you really need the motivation/guidance.

[quote]man7553 wrote:
Hey, I have a trainer at 24 Hour Fitness (a “master trainer”), and I told him I’m on the Anabolic Diet. Well then he goes on and on about how bad it is. 1/2 way through his ranting I realized that he doesn’t even know what the diet IS. He thinks it’s the same as the Atkins diet.

I told him it’s not the Atkins diet, it’s the Anabolic Diet, and there’s a weekend carb-up. I told him I’d give him the book if he wanted to read it. He refuses to read the book because he “already knows the outcome is bad.” Pissed the F— out of me. F—![/quote]

Here’s a tip: take a look at him, is he somebody with an admirable body? Does he demonstrate the ability to get results from his clients?

I go to 24 Hour Fitness centers in San Diego and Orange County… my personal observation is that a hearty majority of the trainers are skinny or skinny-fat themselves and get absolutely NO results with their clients.

lol “master trainer”… these guys’ credentials are just crap…

He probably just can’t read - but don’t let on you know.

Hey all I feel like I know you all I have read the entire thread as well as the original AD book. I figured I would introduce my self to you all and I had one concern and wanted to get the opinion of this amazing group. I was 404 over 2 years ago and through a low carb diet I got down to 273 at 32%bf.

Since starting AD 6 weeks ago I have lost 14 pounds all of that in the last 4 weeks and I am now at 259 at 28%bf. I am taking in about 19250 calories a week so 2750 a day on average. I am losing 3.5 pounds a week consistently and I am being advised by everyone that is to fast. But I figure since I have so much weight to lose this is not an issue and my weight loss will slow down as I get closer to my goal weight.

I wouldn’t stress overly much about it crateprice, I think your analysis of the situation is pretty much solid. I’m no expert though so take that with a grain of salt =)

[quote]crateprice wrote:
Hey all I feel like I know you all I have read the entire thread as well as the original AD book. I figured I would introduce my self to you all and I had one concern and wanted to get the opinion of this amazing group. I was 404 over 2 years ago and through a low carb diet I got down to 273 at 32%bf.

Since starting AD 6 weeks ago I have lost 14 pounds all of that in the last 4 weeks and I am now at 259 at 28%bf. I am taking in about 19250 calories a week so 2750 a day on average. I am losing 3.5 pounds a week consistently and I am being advised by everyone that is to fast. But I figure since I have so much weight to lose this is not an issue and my weight loss will slow down as I get closer to my goal weight.[/quote]

First of all:

Congratulations on coming so far! That is awesome. The fat is MELTING away. So awesome!

Now about your “question:” I think you are right on with your assessment. Remember, to the AD is pretty much against what the norm is. Have no fear, I think you are right on.

I am curious though as to what your training regimen contains. Care to share it?

AD

AlphaDragon:

I train 6 days a week for no more then 1 hour per session on weight days and no more then 35 minutes cardio. My weight training is a pretty simplistic system. I train at 15,10,5 reps broke up for each work out day. I only do 6 exercises Squat, Dead Lift, Bent Over Row, BB flat bench, Pull Ups and Dips. I do all exercises at a weight that I can do for 15, 10, or 5 depending on the day but could not do 2 more reps. I do 2 sets for all exercise. I do my 15 rep day on my second carb up day morning which is Sunday.

On cardio days first day is Monday after carb up and I do 5 min warm up then sprint for 1 rest 2 min for 24 minutes so 8 sets then 6 min cool down. My other 2 days of cardio are usually treadmill 10% inc hard walks that keep my heart rate at about 65%max. That is it. I change my weight work out though every 12 weeks. So 8 more weeks of this then I will change it up.

[quote]crateprice wrote:
AlphaDragon:

I train 6 days a week for no more then 1 hour per session on weight days and no more then 35 minutes cardio. My weight training is a pretty simplistic system. I train at 15,10,5 reps broke up for each work out day. I only do 6 exercises Squat, Dead Lift, Bent Over Row, BB flat bench, Pull Ups and Dips. I do all exercises at a weight that I can do for 15, 10, or 5 depending on the day but could not do 2 more reps. I do 2 sets for all exercise. I do my 15 rep day on my second carb up day morning which is Sunday.

On cardio days first day is Monday after carb up and I do 5 min warm up then sprint for 1 rest 2 min for 24 minutes so 8 sets then 6 min cool down. My other 2 days of cardio are usually treadmill 10% inc hard walks that keep my heart rate at about 65%max. That is it. I change my weight work out though every 12 weeks. So 8 more weeks of this then I will change it up.
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Sounds like an HST approach to training. That worked real well for me when I was dieting down a few summers ago. Had real good results combining that with the AD.

[quote]mikepop878 wrote:
wtf are you doing with a “master trainer”? you’ve got all the help you need right here. between the author’s articles, and forums you’ve got all you need. hire an experienced “coach” if you really need the motivation/guidance. [/quote]

Thanks, mikepop878.

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
man7553 wrote:
Hey, I have a trainer at 24 Hour Fitness (a “master trainer”), and I told him I’m on the Anabolic Diet. Well then he goes on and on about how bad it is. 1/2 way through his ranting I realized that he doesn’t even know what the diet IS. He thinks it’s the same as the Atkins diet.

I told him it’s not the Atkins diet, it’s the Anabolic Diet, and there’s a weekend carb-up. I told him I’d give him the book if he wanted to read it. He refuses to read the book because he “already knows the outcome is bad.” Pissed the F— out of me. F—!

Here’s a tip: take a look at him, is he somebody with an admirable body? Does he demonstrate the ability to get results from his clients?

I go to 24 Hour Fitness centers in San Diego and Orange County… my personal observation is that a hearty majority of the trainers are skinny or skinny-fat themselves and get absolutely NO results with their clients.

lol “master trainer”… these guys’ credentials are just crap…
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Yes and no. He’s got an admirable body, but most of his clients look quite normal. Also, he mentioned that he was built enough at the age of 16 that people were asking his advice then.

Thanks for the perspective.