IL
You are one big son o’ bitch.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Some pics from tonight’s workout.[/quote]
Hey Disc Hoss, you said somewhere in this thread that you consume 2-3 meals a day as liquids. I have been trying to do the same and have a problem maybe someone make a suggestion for.
I have been using a plastic nalgene bottle or empty gatorade bottles to take shakes on the go. Problem is these are hard to clean / get nasty after a while even if I try my best to wash them. I’ve been looking for a long time for something better for holding shakes on the go.
Was thinking maybe a metal thermos but so far I have only found the really skinny ones (can’t even fit a scoop of pro powder in there) or really bulky ones.
Has anyone found a good solution?
I the cheep ass tupperware containers from Wal-mart. They run from $.78 to 1.50 so I like them. They last for quite a while and are much easier to clean than most bottles. Also, since they are cheap, I have a bunch so I’m not constantly washing them.
If I need something insulated, I use one of the water bottles from wal-mart with the insulating sleeve around it…I think they run about $3. They keep stuff fairly cold and have a handle and some have straps you could wear around you neck.
[quote]luddini wrote:
I have been using a plastic nalgene bottle or empty gatorade bottles to take shakes on the go. Problem is these are hard to clean / get nasty after a while even if I try my best to wash them. I’ve been looking for a long time for something better for holding shakes on the go.
Has anyone found a good solution?[/quote]
Your Nalgene bottle is fine, I have 2 of them (actually one of them is a free HOT-ROX bottle I got with my order of HOT-ROX) and they work perfect. All you need to do is go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart or whereever, and buy a bottle brush. They run anywhere from .99 - $3.00. They work really well at cleaning them.
Also, whenever I finish downing a shake I always make sure to rinse it out with hot water so when I do clean them it only takes a few seconds.
-BD
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Owen,
You’ve shown yourself a good guy. I appreciate that. I fully understand a little “tension” in a post sometimes and can “forgive” it easily enough.
Keep posting as you are clearly very bright. Just branch out and check out as much of Mauro’s stuff as you can. He’s got a great Q&A area. You have to make a single purchase of 25.00 or more once a year then you can have access to his stuff. Even get an email or two answered by him if he’s not too busy. I have a “direct line” but I do my best not to abuse it out of respect for his time.
Please don’t take any of my tones as derogatory on your age or understanding. I just like to see cordial exchanges that facilitate learning and are structured in a way that respects both idiots and geniuses alike. ;-). I’m sure you’ve heard of measure twice, cut once. Well sometime around your late 20’s you’ve eaten enough crow to adapt that to…listen/read twice, speak once. Spoken with a black wing still on my lip, bro. 
Like I said, I think you’re wicked smart for being a teen… so don’t let a little chop bustin’ discourage you. Just let it improve you.
Best,
DH[/quote]
the recent posts that started all this recent melee wasnt even meant as hostile which is the funny thing haha oh well
and yes, i dont really plan on contributing any topics for argument(which is what i consider anything that most people find hostile, i should reeallly rephrase them i guess haha) anymore, at least until i can read through a good nutrition BOOK. i read so many blessed articles on the net. ill try and see if i can find that book the David Barr rec’d. i got a new job at the gym, where all i do is basically sit around and watch hotties in short shorts(God bless the man who made those) for like 5 hours at a time, so def a good reading time.
and disc ill keep posting to help w/ the basic shit people have questions on…
[quote]Bryan515 wrote:
Hey Disc Hoss,
Great post, as always.
So for the benefit of the forum (especially those who are overwhelmed by 25 pages of awesome info) can you post your pre-post workout protocol for the AD adapted? I believe it was 40g isolate/hydrolyzed 30 mins pre, 25g FFAA’s immediately post, and a solid AD approved meal 30 mins later?
And check your PM’s bro!
Cheers,
Bryan[/quote]
bryan,
it is my opinion that you dont need so many nutrients unless you are doing something really high volume. i mean if you are doing anything under 15 total work sets, then i doubt you need more than 20 grams of regular old whey before and after. you can use the hydrolyzed, but for brokeass teens and others like myself, just drink your shake earlier before you workout and start drinking the shake a couple sets before you finish the workout. the protein itself will set off high enough insulin surge, you dont really need a carb/fat source, in fact i think they’d be counterproductive but do whatever you want.
and you do not need any bcaa’s or free form fatty amino acids which i think is what you mean by FFAA’s. besides, do you realize how expensive that shit is? its ridiculous unless you are so advanced lifter who is competing in a national level show(IMO) unless i guess your rich.
good 'ay
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
… free form fatty amino acids which i think is what you mean by FFAA’s. [/quote]
that doesn’t make any sense
drop the “fatty” out of that and then it will at least start to…
Sorry for any confusion guys:
FFAA Free form amino acids. (also AA)
FFA Free fatty acids.
EAA Essential amino acids
EFA Essential fatty acids
CHO Carbohydrate(s)
AAS Anabolic/androgenic steroids
Hydrolyzed protein been enzymatically broken down to small chains that take very litte effort/time to digest and absorb. Techincally faster than things like WPI (whey protein isolate) but not quite as quick as FFAA. That is most of the time. I’ve seen info to the contrary too. Hmmm. Middle ground between intact proteins and FFAA’s. Short definition.
DH
Coming up on my 5th day on this, just some observations.
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I feel a little out of breath today and am wondering if it is because I am eating too many eggs.
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While training I felt my pulse rise a bit higher than normal. Didnt measure it but I usually know just by feeling.
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Throwing down eggs and bacon with cheese in the morning makes me feel ill. Damn I miss oatmeal or toast.
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I hardly take a shit now. One I had today could have been laid by a hamster.
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I am cooking more often than before.
By the way, I guess Surge is out of the question? what can I do or a PWO drink? just drink down some protein?
I’ve got a few minutes before I eat so I’ll try to answer based on my limited experience with the AD, (on my 5th week):
[quote]Jayel wrote:
Coming up on my 5th day on this, just some observations.
- I feel a little out of breath today and am wondering if it is because I am eating too many eggs.[/quote]
I got a bit of this too, try Running man style interval sprinting and replacing some of the cheese I assume you are eating with a cleaner protien source and olive or flax oil.
I dunno, see #1
I listed a recipe for a flax based cereal that you can make taste like oatmel if you try. It’s a few pgs back, give it a shot.
Eat more vegetables, flax seeds, and take your psyllium fiber, (you are taking this, aren’t you?).
Cooking is fun, and good for the liver.
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By the way, I guess Surge is out of the question? what can I do or a PWO drink? just drink down some protein?[/quote]
You can use it, as DH has said, as a pre or post workout “bomb” on carb up days. I’ve been using 1/2 of a serving on saturdays when I carb up and go for a run, and it makes the first few laps go wayyy faster!
All of your answers are in the thread. You’re doing a few things wrong, and you’re in the midst of a shift. It’s going to suck. Read the back stuff to catch up.
DH
[quote]Jayel wrote:
Coming up on my 5th day on this, just some observations.
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I feel a little out of breath today and am wondering if it is because I am eating too many eggs.
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While training I felt my pulse rise a bit higher than normal. Didnt measure it but I usually know just by feeling.
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Throwing down eggs and bacon with cheese in the morning makes me feel ill. Damn I miss oatmeal or toast.
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I hardly take a shit now. One I had today could have been laid by a hamster.
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I am cooking more often than before.
By the way, I guess Surge is out of the question? what can I do or a PWO drink? just drink down some protein?[/quote]
On the cooking issue, I have no sympathy. Anything worth having takes some effort. Suck it up. There are also plenty of suggestions on protein shakes, jerky, nuts, cheeses, etc… If you want to bodybuild out of a box, bro, you’re going to fail. Workouts are tough, too. That’s why there aren’t many impressive physiques or strength numbers among the general population. It’s neither convenient or easy.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
DH
I’m on week four now, things are really picking up now. My first carb up was 48 hrs and had alot of cookies and ice cream. Scale weight went up 10 lbs. I lost five of it during the week. I would have lost the rest but my calories are much higher on this diet than a normal carb diet. My second carb up was cleaner I forgot to weigh myself but I’m already back down to 190 today, so it will be interesting to see if I go back to 185 which is were I started. Overall I’m still sceptical if this diet will work for me, but I’m going to give it at least four more weeks. Carb diets have not been to kind to me in the past so I’m definately wanting this to work. Energy is up and strength is going up. Thx to everyone who has posted tips(even you owen70)good luck to all who are “anabolic”.
UPDATE:
I consumed about 50% of my weekly calories (for the last week) during the carb-up. It was intense. But it’s interesting, my body reacted REALLY well. I looked a bit bloated on Sunday evening, but by the end of Monday I was looking VERY lean. And my ME squat session was awesome, too.
When I started the AD a few weeks back, I was enjoying bacon, sausage, and the like. But I’ve dropped those from my diet and replaced them with fish oil and olive oil.
At this point, I think I need to play with my fluid intake. I consume close to two gallons of water/day. My normal intake is a little over one gallon.
On a training note, I’m implementing sled work on a daily basis again. I don’t do daily work very often. I’m interested to observe how my body responds. So far, my perceived recovery is better compared to my notes from the last period of daily.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
On the cooking issue, I have no sympathy. Anything worth having takes some effort. Suck it up. There are also plenty of suggestions on protein shakes, jerky, nuts, cheeses, etc… If you want to bodybuild out of a box, bro, you’re going to fail. Workouts are tough, too. That’s why there aren’t many impressive physiques or strength numbers among the general population. It’s neither convenient or easy.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
DH
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Nice post, Hoss.
For the cooking whingers, try cooking everything you need in one or two sessions. I cook everything I need for the next day or two on a big ass BBQ while I’m cooking dinner. I cook 4 kilos of steak at a time (3 days worth), plus other shit, like sausages, bacon and ground beef. On top of that, throw 2 or 3 chickens in the oven, come back in an hour and a half and you’ve got plenty of food.
Roasting shit in an oven is dead easy and takes bugger all effort. Cooking a shitload of food in a BBQ is quick and takes bugger all effort. You don’t even have to wash up afterwards.
If you are cooking everything individually, yes, it will suck.
Plan ahead, ladies. It works for your training, and it will work for your nutrition.
I haven’t yet begun to feel “tight” on the diet yet. I’ve been doing the diet for 5 weeks now. I had my calories at around 4000 for the last few weeks, but dropped them down last friday to 3500. My normal day looks like this:
Meal 1-2pcs bacon, 4 eggs, 10 fish oil tablets, chicken breast.
Meal 2-6 eggs, 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 3-2 servings Grow! with 2.5T olive oil or 3/4c flax seed meal.
Meal 4-2 cans fish (usually herring, but sometimes salmon or tuna or oysters), 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 5-3 burgers, big bowl (3/4 lb)raw spinach salad, 1.5T olive oil, 10 Fish oil tabs.
Meal 6-2 burgers, 1pc Cheese, another big salad, carrot, maybe some broccoli or cauliflower, 1.5T olive oil.
My carb-ups have been super clean, mainly huge amounts of veggies, a good amount of fruit, oat bran/meal, loaves of whole wheat bread and natty PB etc. I can’t really tell what could be wrong with the way I’m going about this diet, but I don’t seem to be experiencing as many positive effects as some of the other guys just starting out. Any help would be appreciated.
(P.S I don’t mind cooking)
What are your training and recovery schedules, C. Atlas? You might also think about varying your daily totals a bit more.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
I haven’t yet begun to feel “tight” on the diet yet. I’ve been doing the diet for 5 weeks now. I had my calories at around 4000 for the last few weeks, but dropped them down last friday to 3500. My normal day looks like this:
Meal 1-2pcs bacon, 4 eggs, 10 fish oil tablets, chicken breast.
Meal 2-6 eggs, 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 3-2 servings Grow! with 2.5T olive oil or 3/4c flax seed meal.
Meal 4-2 cans fish (usually herring, but sometimes salmon or tuna or oysters), 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 5-3 burgers, big bowl (3/4 lb)raw spinach salad, 1.5T olive oil, 10 Fish oil tabs.
Meal 6-2 burgers, 1pc Cheese, another big salad, carrot, maybe some broccoli or cauliflower, 1.5T olive oil.
My carb-ups have been super clean, mainly huge amounts of veggies, a good amount of fruit, oat bran/meal, loaves of whole wheat bread and natty PB etc. I can’t really tell what could be wrong with the way I’m going about this diet, but I don’t seem to be experiencing as many positive effects as some of the other guys just starting out. Any help would be appreciated.
(P.S I don’t mind cooking)[/quote]
Hey Chuck,
Been out of the loop for awhile. Took a job and now I can’t touch the internet at work. That’s the Govt. for you! Anyway I’d suggest throwing in some little smokies, sausage, pepperoni, salami. You are getting the right mix of carbs but I have found that ‘fat’ carbs, like those found in a little smokie, tend to make me feel ‘full’. Burgers these days can’t really be included in the ‘little smokie’ fat category as cattle are fed to be so lean that red meat, even burgers, has very little intramuscular fat. Don’t get me wrong, I love steaks and such but I eat a ton of ‘slim jims’ and stuff like that. I’m cooking up a big pan of sausage right now for breakfast tommorow in fact. You might also try a crazy carb up. I’m talking Sonic shakes and Head sized Muffins. Try a 12 hr. block of this but be near a couch. Your butt is gonna be on it!
Later, Barry
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
I haven’t yet begun to feel “tight” on the diet yet. I’ve been doing the diet for 5 weeks now. I had my calories at around 4000 for the last few weeks, but dropped them down last friday to 3500. My normal day looks like this:
Meal 1-2pcs bacon, 4 eggs, 10 fish oil tablets, chicken breast.
Meal 2-6 eggs, 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 3-2 servings Grow! with 2.5T olive oil or 3/4c flax seed meal.
Meal 4-2 cans fish (usually herring, but sometimes salmon or tuna or oysters), 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 5-3 burgers, big bowl (3/4 lb)raw spinach salad, 1.5T olive oil, 10 Fish oil tabs.
Meal 6-2 burgers, 1pc Cheese, another big salad, carrot, maybe some broccoli or cauliflower, 1.5T olive oil.
My carb-ups have been super clean, mainly huge amounts of veggies, a good amount of fruit, oat bran/meal, loaves of whole wheat bread and natty PB etc. I can’t really tell what could be wrong with the way I’m going about this diet, but I don’t seem to be experiencing as many positive effects as some of the other guys just starting out. Any help would be appreciated.
(P.S I don’t mind cooking)[/quote]
Hey Chuck,
Been out of the loop for awhile. Took a job and now I can’t touch the internet at work. That’s the Govt. for you! Anyway I’d suggest throwing in some little smokies, sausage, pepperoni, salami. You are getting the right mix of carbs but I have found that ‘fat’ carbs, like those found in a little smokie, tend to make me feel ‘full’. Burgers these days can’t really be included in the ‘little smokie’ fat category as cattle are fed to be so lean that red meat, even burgers, has very little intramuscular fat. Don’t get me wrong, I love steaks and such but I eat a ton of ‘slim jims’ and stuff like that. I’m cooking up a big pan of sausage right now for breakfast tommorow in fact. You might also try a crazy carb up. I’m talking Sonic shakes and Head sized Muffins. Try a 12 hr. block of this but be near a couch. Your butt is gonna be on it!
Later, Barry
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
I haven’t yet begun to feel “tight” on the diet yet. I’ve been doing the diet for 5 weeks now. I had my calories at around 4000 for the last few weeks, but dropped them down last friday to 3500. My normal day looks like this:
Meal 1-2pcs bacon, 4 eggs, 10 fish oil tablets, chicken breast.
Meal 2-6 eggs, 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 3-2 servings Grow! with 2.5T olive oil or 3/4c flax seed meal.
Meal 4-2 cans fish (usually herring, but sometimes salmon or tuna or oysters), 1pc Mont. Jack cheese.
Meal 5-3 burgers, big bowl (3/4 lb)raw spinach salad, 1.5T olive oil, 10 Fish oil tabs.
Meal 6-2 burgers, 1pc Cheese, another big salad, carrot, maybe some broccoli or cauliflower, 1.5T olive oil.
My carb-ups have been super clean, mainly huge amounts of veggies, a good amount of fruit, oat bran/meal, loaves of whole wheat bread and natty PB etc. I can’t really tell what could be wrong with the way I’m going about this diet, but I don’t seem to be experiencing as many positive effects as some of the other guys just starting out. Any help would be appreciated.
(P.S I don’t mind cooking)[/quote]
my rediscovering of the AD was in a bodybuilding book where Dr. DP was a co-author, in it he said that some people just don’t work on 30g of Carbs a day. He suggested doubling it after 4 weeks if you don’t start feeling great. Then he mentioned that if things get better, GREAT, you’ve got a new amount of carbs to not exceed each day. Another way he said to do it is to add 10 grams of carbs every two weeks until you feel good, basically experiment with it. He also said that most people whose bodies can’t do the 30 g of carbs/day will probably need the 60 g of carbs/day anyways.
If I wind up at the bookstore where I saw this in the near future, I’ll tell ya what the name of the book was (I don’t remember), but the book was an all inclusive bodybuilding book and the nutrition/diet section was about 35 pages and written by Dr. D, although I didn’t look at any of the workouts or anything of that nature, if nothing else the book is worth something just because of the diet section