My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
If I remember correctly I think Disc Hoss said that immediately jumping into the 5/2 day split without the 12 day intro will still work, it will just take 2-4 weeks whereas the 12 day pretty much guarantees the shift.

I think that’s right. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Could someone else chime in on this though, if they know that this is a little bit off?

Thanks,

DHYOOOOGE. lol

I would do the 12 days. You may shift before that, but why chance going down a road of even more upheaval than necessary. Did you crash yet? That can be a trip. I felt like I weighed 500 pounds and could barely keep my eyes open. Only lasted overnight though. I will also throw in for the 100th time that it will take significantly longer than 12 days to fully adapt. The metabolic shift is only the first stage. Once fully adapted you’ll wonder how anybody can stand eating a conventional diet. Changed my life. I can’t even believe how much better I do on a lipid based diet.[/quote]

FYI:

Consider it “Third’ed”

And all of Tirib’s post is hereby “SEconded.”

AD

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Someone was arguing about the AD on another forum and I posted a snippet from here, which the poster dismantled. Let’s see what an AD guru has to say about this:

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Originally Posted by dhuge67
Glycogen stores empty = KETOSIS

True
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Originally Posted by dhuge67
Increased Fat intake = Increase in lipolytic enzymes

In caloric equilibrium/deficit. Otherwise more lipogenic enzymes present which will inhibit lipolytic processes

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Originally Posted by dhuge67
Increased lipolytic enzymes = FFA use for energy

True

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Originally Posted by dhuge67
Glycogen stores empty = FFA and Ketones for energy

Depends on stress levels. The more epinephrine or cortisol the higher chance of muscle catabolism regardless of “adaption”

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Originally Posted by dhuge67
FFA and Ketones for energy = MEGA fat burning and protein sparing

Again, in a calorie deficit.

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“I will also throw in for the 100th time that it will take significantly longer than 12 days to fully adapt.”

Approx. how long, on average does it take to fully adapt?

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Hey…I’ve been reading this thread for the last couple of days. I have practiced one form of lo carb diet or another on and off for years. This is the first time I’ve heard of the AD. Love everything I’ve read so far.

My question is about the refeed days. It says they should be on the weekends. Well right now, I’m on a 4 day routine of M,T,Th,F. Should I be lifting on the weekend to take advantage of the refeed, or is it okay w/o lifting?

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[quote]sbj119 wrote:
Hey…I’ve been reading this thread for the last couple of days. I have practiced one form of lo carb diet or another on and off for years. This is the first time I’ve heard of the AD. Love everything I’ve read so far.

My question is about the refeed days. It says they should be on the weekends. Well right now, I’m on a 4 day routine of M,T,Th,F. Should I be lifting on the weekend to take advantage of the refeed, or is it okay w/o lifting?[/quote]

You don’t have to design you workout schedule around the diet.

-james

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Psyllium Husks? Ok I’ve tried it in water and it obviously expands which makes it a little difficult to swallow in a decent meal sitting. Do you guys take a tablespoon dry and then wash it down with water or should I just stick it in the water and deal with it?

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[quote]Clark Banner wrote:
“I will also throw in for the 100th time that it will take significantly longer than 12 days to fully adapt.”

Approx. how long, on average does it take to fully adapt? [/quote]

Around 6 months I believe.

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[quote]Clark Banner wrote:
Psyllium Husks? Ok I’ve tried it in water and it obviously expands which makes it a little difficult to swallow in a decent meal sitting. Do you guys take a tablespoon dry and then wash it down with water or should I just stick it in the water and deal with it?[/quote]

I take a few tblspns dry and then chase it with water. I would never drink that shit mixed up, looks pretty bad.

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Yeah, mixed psyllium is absolutely disgusting. I was going to try taking it dry because drinking that wet goopy concoction is horrid.

Also, when I wake up in the morning my stomach feels incredibly empty. Anyone else like this?

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I just mixed 4 tablespoons in water and I swear its like hair gel! I will drink it dry next time! Thanks!

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Clark Banner wrote:
Psyllium Husks? Ok I’ve tried it in water and it obviously expands which makes it a little difficult to swallow in a decent meal sitting. Do you guys take a tablespoon dry and then wash it down with water or should I just stick it in the water and deal with it?

I take a few tblspns dry and then chase it with water. I would never drink that shit mixed up, looks pretty bad.[/quote]

You might want to read the precautions on the container–most say that doing this can create a choking hazard.

-james

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I’m hoping some AD vets might be able to give me some insight into a possible problem I foresee for myself in the near future if I decide to start this diet.

I’ve been reading about this eating plan for the past couple of weeks and am very interested in starting it, however I have a practicle question about the timing of starting this right now in my life. Here’s why:

I’m getting married in 2 months, followed by a honeymoon of 11 days in Hawaii where I don’t want to have to think about what I’m eating (or drinking). I’m not so concerned about ‘falling off the wagon’ and needing to start over again with another 12 day adaptation phase once I get home; I’ll gladly do that again if necessary. My concern is how I might physically feel during that 2 week period of my wedding/honeymoon when I’m falling off the wagon and my eating habits go back to a more ‘typical’ style. From what I’ve read (the first 30 pages of this thread), I get the feeling some people really feel like crap during this transition back. If that’s a possibility, I wonder if I would be better off just postponing the start of this. I would truly rather start now and get the benefits sooner than later though.

any thoughts or personal experiences along these lines would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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[quote]MexiKen wrote:
I’m hoping some AD vets might be able to give me some insight into a possible problem I foresee for myself in the near future if I decide to start this diet.

I’ve been reading about this eating plan for the past couple of weeks and am very interested in starting it, however I have a practicle question about the timing of starting this right now in my life. Here’s why:

I’m getting married in 2 months, followed by a honeymoon of 11 days in Hawaii where I don’t want to have to think about what I’m eating (or drinking). I’m not so concerned about ‘falling off the wagon’ and needing to start over again with another 12 day adaptation phase once I get home; I’ll gladly do that again if necessary. My concern is how I might physically feel during that 2 week period of my wedding/honeymoon when I’m falling off the wagon and my eating habits go back to a more ‘typical’ style. From what I’ve read (the first 30 pages of this thread), I get the feeling some people really feel like crap during this transition back. If that’s a possibility, I wonder if I would be better off just postponing the start of this. I would truly rather start now and get the benefits sooner than later though.

any thoughts or personal experiences along these lines would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks![/quote]

Dude, marriage is once in a lifetime,(preferably), blow this shit off until it’s over and you’re in a calmer time of your life…It will benefit the wedding, and the diet commitment later…

              best wishes, and congratulations!
                  ToneBone
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Yes!! Wait til after the wedding!! Too much going on, for you. Just 4 days in, and it hits me hard at night. You will have too many distractions and family functions during this time to be faithful to the diet. Congrats!!

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
well put by both of you guys…

UE,BIz, does that mean that you can up the limit for weekly carbs to 50g without going back to burning carbs instead of fat or not??

Just using that number, basicly asking if you go over 30g, if that’s ok now that there is more evidence than when the books were written, as far as staying fat adapted.

       I mean ketosis smoshis, what effect does it have on being fat adapted?

              good to see you guys on here today, btw.

                TB

There is actually a lot of research being done on this now. A trainer in Australia named Anthony Colpo followed ketogenic diets for several years and did observations on himself and clients, he just released a book called “The Fat Loss Bible” giving reasons why ketosis is not so great for keeping muscle mass.

(I bought the book because I thought my views were becoming too dogmatic =), so I wanted a fresh perspective, plus I was just curious.)

His reasons were actually pretty good, what I got from it was that by upping your carb amount to 60-90g daily your body will not need go into glycogenesis (process of breaking down protein to form glycogen) to make the glycogen it needs for other daily processes. Therefor all the protein you ingest would go to repairing cells.

And since you’ve dropped carbs to below 100g your still going to be developing ketosis so that ketones can be used as the primary source of fuel. (He also provides studies supporting all his views, like most authors.)

He also keeps carbs really strict. Doing very small carb loads only after grueling 45 min sessions of HIIT or very long endurance activity because of increased insulin sensitivity.

I was thinking about trying all this out to see how it works, not gonna be able to for a couple of months though because I have to have all my energies on school and work =(.
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Hey Biz, awesome shit bro…!
See that’s what I have felt during my carb ups…I’m of the thought, that indeed, a tighter reign needs to be kept on the amount of the carb up, carb amount, taken in…

I have felt nearly everytime that I was feeling “filled up” quite rapidly even with the cleaner carb sources being utilized for almost the entire carb up…

I felt like I should have stopped, but observing others experiences on this thread, and going with the parameters on CHO intake by Mauro himself, I easily “allowed” myself to continue intake to my detriment as far as taking steps “backward”, instead of continuing to lean out at a faster rate, with no muscle loss.

                So, this is interesting stuff you bring to the table my friend..good job.

I will try to get my hands on that text…is it only in written text, or is it an ebook?

         Probably a regular book, I'll hit up barnes and nobles or whatnot..
            And I am going to put that in effect this next weekend, I'll do some cardio, or my wkout will fall on that day, and will wait to carb up after the morning noonish, workout and hold back on going what has been too high for me previously..

          That's what is awesome about this thread, people experiment, and people learn more from the "real world"..


              what a great read, thanks Biz.
                 ToneBone
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Two things: one, about the psyllium, my experience is that I mix two tablespoons in water and try to down it quickly so it does not absorb too much. But yeah, it’s almost worthless if you wait too long.

Second observation: as others may have read, I recently (approx. 3 weeks ago) ran into a problem while doing this diet for 6 weeks. I had a huge drop in appetite, intestinal pains, and another problem concerning what goes on in the bathroom =)

Well anyway, I noticed this past carb up, that my appetite is normal while eating carbs. I feel like I could easily get 3500-4000 cals each day of the weekend. I also have no stomach/intestinal pains, and no signs of that other problem.

I’ve switched back to high fat eating after two carb meals today, and I will monitor my appetite. I hope tomorrow that when I wake up i’ll be able to eat my normal breakfast (4 whole eggs, 1tblspn EVOO and 6 slices of bacon.)

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Haven’t had any bathroom issues here. In fact the bathroom experience has been my most anabolic experience thus far. i.e. bigger and stronger!

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[quote]Clark Banner wrote:
Haven’t had any bathroom issues here. In fact the bathroom experience has been my most anabolic experience thus far. i.e. bigger and stronger![/quote]

Wow. that was funny i gotta admit lol

I hate to get into a detailed discussion about this on a public forum, but I felt it necessary to see if anyone had that problem or if I was the lucky guy.

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Get enough greens and you’ll be fine.

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[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Get enough greens and you’ll be fine.[/quote]

How would not getting enough greens explain the huge drop in appetite?

For instance, I did low intensity morning cardio, then for breakfast I cut out all the bacon (about 300 cals), and 3 hours later I was still not hungry.

Morning cardio usually revs my metabolism up nicely throughout the day. I was feeling like I constantly had food in my stomach/intestines and was not hungry.