[quote]krew wrote:
I’m 24, 5’7 153lbs,
My idea was to use the RD until i hit 140lbs and then transition onto the AD to get me to 135ish. [/quote]
You are trying to “diet down” to 135? Why?
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
<<< Fully agreed. If one does not fullfill the 12-14 day break in period, it may well take months to become fully fat-adapted.
AD[/quote]
Sorry to Cappedand… uh, oh hell he knows who he is. I lost my job and have had limited time here, but these guys hit it right in my view. If you do not allow the metabolic shift before a carb day you will NOT adapt and will thus not undergo the crown jewel of what this way of eating is all about.
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
OMC wrote:
If you don’t crash its because somewhere carbs were sneaking into your diet…or you may be one of the very…very few who won’t crash . Another possibility is your previous diet. Was it low carb?? Based on non starch polysaccharides like broccholi sprouts etc.
Regardless if you don’t crash I’d say just continue on anyway as the crash is jsut a quick way to get your metabolism kicked towards fat burning. It’ll happen eventually regardless and is worth sticking it out for.
OMC
Hmmm, he says he’s very relentless in watching for hidden carbs. I think his body just prefers fats, so after two weeks if he hasn’t crashed, I really don’t think it will happen.
After two weeks of 30g carbs he’s gonna be completely glycogen depleted and the only fuel that will be there to use is protein or fats, and with fats in the diet then the body is gonna use those. Well atleast that’s what DiPasquale says… which I believe whole heartedly.
That’s why I’m pretty sure his body just prefers fats. Do you have any Irish, Viking, or just near that part of the world heritage InTheZone? Also, do you easily get love handles? That’s one indication that you are carb intolerant.
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In the book the Doc says a small number of people don’t experience a perceptible crash if I recall correctly, but the vast majority will and you won’t have to guess. In my case it was kinda like a hangover. Dull headache, drowsy, lethargic and felt just plain shitty. I woke up the next morning like nothing happened.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
<<< Fully agreed. If one does not fullfill the 12-14 day break in period, it may well take months to become fully fat-adapted.
AD
Sorry to Cappedand… uh, oh hell he knows who he is. I lost my job and have had limited time here, but these guys hit it right in my view. If you do not allow the metabolic shift before a carb day you will NOT adapt and will thus not undergo the crown jewel of what this way of eating is all about.[/quote]
its ok tiriaboiejaversorryi’m
inahurrytoogottagobye!
being a waiter blows i dont get to eat quite as often but i was thinking and turned it around to benefit me…on my off days or days i just work the early shift ill eat more calories and obviously when i work all day running trays ill be eating less…nice cardio on less cal days…nice workout big workout days
[quote]Underestimated wrote:
Tonebone,
I just took in over 10,000 calories in the last 24 hours and by next Friday night I will be down at least 1 pound from this Friday by dropping to my cutting cals throughout the week.
I wouldn’t recommend you do that(10,000 cals) seeing you just started, but I figured I would let you know what’s working for me now. This may begin to change in several weeks, so some tweaking may be in order, but it shows how forgiving and beneficial this diet can be with patience and adaptation.
Give yourself some time and you will see too. Going over is not a problem as long as you listen to your body and make adjustments over time. Zigg Zagging your calories throughout the week or Ramping the loads for weekly averages can be very productive.
Drastic changes sometimes have benefits too, but there is a time and a place so slow and steady is the prescription in the early stages.
Best, UE[/quote]
UE, thanks for the help. Wow, 10,000 is a lot, and it shows how awesome the plan is..When you say in the last 24 hours, do you mean in the hours of one day when you were awake? Like you ate for 12-16 or so then went to bed, or do you mean 24 awake and eating hours? I was wondering about that, like if I do a day and a half of carbing up, that's really only say 16 hours of eating on one day and maybe the first 5-6 hours of day two...
Anyway not trying to make this more complicated but I guess I’m not all there yet…I took in around 3400 cals today, had to guestimate the family dinner a bit…
carbs were around 43% and fat was 24% pro-35% for the day pretty much. My dinner wasn't entirely accurate, but pretty close. Anyway, ready for bed after all those carbs, I will obviously be a lot more accurate when I eat at home. Look forward to this weeks workouts, after this first time carb up. I'm going to Monte Ray tomorrow, so will probably just carb up in the morning and eat my meats and fats while there in the afternoon. Not sure if I should do that or go for it for another full day of carbing.
so long and thanks again for the insight. ToneBone
Hey guys. I am currently at 220 lb’s first thing on a Saturday morning,flat! I am 6.1ft tall. Bodyfat I would estimate at around 18% maybe more…All around the midsection of coarse!! I think I want to do a 6 week cut, then back onto the higher cals, as someone mentioned a while back.
My question is, where do I start dropping calories first? Do I drop the amount of carbs I eat on the weekend? or the cals during the weeks? Or both?
Thanks
Wow, this thread is great. I’ve been long a lurker on T-Nation but figured I should join in the conversation. I found this thread the other day, read the whole thing, and bought the Anabolic Solution e-book.
I’m currently on day 5 of the breaking-in phase, and feel great. I’m usually very tired at night, and off and on during the day between smaller meals, but once I get my yummy fat and protein I feel awesome.
I’m a 26 yr old 185-ish lb soldier in the US Army. Im working on cutting fat and hopefully packing on some more lean muscle, Im currently at 15% bodyfat. I’ve been using CT’s body transformation workout program for the past couple months. Having just completed the mass gaining phase, I am using a recovery/transition phase routine for this 12 day break-in period, then plan to go into the lean-mass building phase.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
<<< Fully agreed. If one does not fullfill the 12-14 day break in period, it may well take months to become fully fat-adapted.
AD
Sorry to Cappedand… uh, oh hell he knows who he is. I lost my job and have had limited time here, but these guys hit it right in my view. If you do not allow the metabolic shift before a carb day you will NOT adapt and will thus not undergo the crown jewel of what this way of eating is all about.[/quote]
Rough man, sorry to hear that. I’ll keep ya in my prayers man. Best of wished to ya from China.
AD
[quote]Underestimated wrote:
krew wrote:
Wow…thanks so much for the support/advice - I really appreciate it…here is a little more about me…
I’m 24, 5’7, apprx 19-20%BF, started the RD Mon June 4 @ 153lbs, had my first HCC day on Sat. June 9 @ 149lb (1 pound early) and I am now at 147 on the scale as of this morning. I am following the Real Fast Fat Loss program by cosgrove and Waterbury with 1-2 extra cardio sessions a week(LIT)
Here is my typical food intake:
M1- 1 scoop Protein (23gPro)
- 11 almonds
M2 - 1 scoop Protein
- 14 walnut halves
M3 - 3 whole eggs
- serving of veggies
M4 - 3oz Chicken
- Spinach, onions, cucumber and
1tsp EVOO
M5 - Either Chicken, Fish, or lean steak
with grilled peppers with EVOO and
garlic.
4-6L of water every day
Totals:
1010cals (55g Fat, 21g CHO, 112g Pro)
My idea was to use the RD until i hit 140lbs and then transition onto the AD to get me to 135ish.
I know that this is going to be tough but I’m willing to continue. SO - any more advice is appreciated!!!
Thanks again,
Kari
Kari,
I am impressed by your motivation. Doing the RFFL routine is just about perfect with the RD, but just don’t overdo it. You will definitely be draining yourself.
I would recommend replacing the walnuts or almonds w/real meat(chicken preferably) to get the protein up and you shouldn’t be afraid of going a little over on the cals(200-400) if you are that active. Just make them Protein cals(muscle sparing while on the RD). Your body will let you know the longer you are on the diet.
Seeing as though you didn’t have much weight to lose before going on the AD you could switch at any time with no problems, but the macro breakdown is a little different.
Also, please tell me that you are using some supplements(vitamins, etc.)
Best, UE
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Thanks UE. To be honest - this past 2-3weeks i have been super slack on taking my supps…my normal supps that i take are
Fish Oil
Multi
HOT-ROX Extreme
Creatine (which I’ve stopped since the RD but can’t wait to start it again)
Glutamine
Vitamin C
I know that I have to start taking them again - just me being lazy…
I’m finding the longer I am on the RD I don’t actually want to eat…That’s why I love my shake/nut combo meal cuz it’s fast and theres no prep…
and I have gone over cals on some days - never more than 1300cals but…
I just want something that will help me lose this last 15 pounds - it seems I keep losing and gaining the same 6-8lbs and I never get any closer to my goal…its very frustrating…
please make any other suggestions you want and thanks soo much for your help so far!
Kari
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
krew wrote:
I’m 24, 5’7 153lbs,
My idea was to use the RD until i hit 140lbs and then transition onto the AD to get me to 135ish.
You are trying to “diet down” to 135? Why?[/quote]
Cuz I’m tired of my thighs rubbing together when I walk!! Haha!
In the last year and a bit I have gone from 176lb at 36% BF to 147 and apprx.19-20%BF - so I just want to get this last 10-15lbs off so I can see the muscled that I’ve been working at creating for the last 10 months…
do you see a problem in me dieting down to 135?
[quote]krew wrote:
do you see a problem in me dieting down to 135?
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He must think you’re a man, krew.
Im finding I need less supps as well, but here’s what im still taking daily:
BCAAs 3x day
Alpha Male 2x day
REZ-V 1xday
Flax Seed 100 3x day
GNC Multi 1/day
ZMA 1/day
HOT-ROX 2/day
Maximum Greens or Greens+
and a fiber sup, like Fiber Choice
I use ON Whey and Grow! for my shakes, with a little Power Drive now and again. Im planning to use Surge on my carb-ups pre and post workout.
[quote]krew wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
krew wrote:
I’m 24, 5’7 153lbs,
My idea was to use the RD until i hit 140lbs and then transition onto the AD to get me to 135ish.
You are trying to “diet down” to 135? Why?
Cuz I’m tired of my thighs rubbing together when I walk!! Haha!
In the last year and a bit I have gone from 176lb at 36% BF to 147 and apprx.19-20%BF - so I just want to get this last 10-15lbs off so I can see the muscled that I’ve been working at creating for the last 10 months…
do you see a problem in me dieting down to 135?
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What do you plan to do after you get to 135?
i dont give a flying fuck about ging over the forum right now…ive read the whole damn thing…i just want some answers because im fucking pissed that i have the energy the fuckin anger out my ass to workout but for the past two weeks my muscles wont fire wtf…
im so pissed right now…my quads wont fire for my deadlifts my tris and shouldetrs wont even wake up for my bench…alright ill take my first breathe since ending my latest shitty workout…the past couple weeks i havnt been eating as much because of my job i havnt had a carb up in about 1 1/2 weeks -2weeks…just let me know if i answered my question
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
i dont give a flying fuck about ging over the forum right now…ive read the whole damn thing…i just want some answers because im fucking pissed that i have the energy the fuckin anger out my ass to workout but for the past two weeks my muscles wont fire wtf…
im so pissed right now…my quads wont fire for my deadlifts my tris and shouldetrs wont even wake up for my bench…alright ill take my first breathe since ending my latest shitty workout…the past couple weeks i havnt been eating as much because of my job i havnt had a carb up in about 1 1/2 weeks -2weeks…just let me know if i answered my question[/quote]
Your posts are incoherent ramblings and if I’m mistaken I don’t even see you ask a question. Its more like you are just ranting.
Try to actually ask a question so we can stay on topic and people can possibly help you.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
i dont give a flying fuck about ging over the forum right now…ive read the whole damn thing…i just want some answers because im fucking pissed that i have the energy the fuckin anger out my ass to workout but for the past two weeks my muscles wont fire wtf…
im so pissed right now…my quads wont fire for my deadlifts my tris and shouldetrs wont even wake up for my bench…alright ill take my first breathe since ending my latest shitty workout…the past couple weeks i havnt been eating as much because of my job i havnt had a carb up in about 1 1/2 weeks -2weeks…just let me know if i answered my question
Your posts are incoherent ramblings and if I’m mistaken I don’t even see you ask a question. Its more like you are just ranting.
Try to actually ask a question so we can stay on topic and people can possibly help you.[/quote]
sorry its just frustrating when i have the energy to do work but my body refuses…what im trying to ask is , in anyones opinion, the trouble with me
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Underestimated wrote:
UE, thanks for the help. Wow, 10,000 is a lot, and it shows how awesome the plan is..When you say in the last 24 hours, do you mean in the hours of one day when you were awake? Like you ate for 12-16 or so then went to bed, or do you mean 24 awake and eating hours? I was wondering about that, like if I do a day and a half of carbing up, that's really only say 16 hours of eating on one day and maybe the first 5-6 hours of day two...
ToneBone
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Tonebone,
That is from 12:30 p.m. Friday till 12:30 p.m. Saturday. Roughly 15 hours awake. I consider that a day of loading. Hence the 24 hour period.
Best, UE
[quote]kroby wrote:
krew wrote:
do you see a problem in me dieting down to 135?
He must think you’re a man, krew.[/quote]
D’Oh! I assumed the poster was a man. My bad. Of course there is nothing wrong with a female going down to 135 at that height.
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
sorry its just frustrating when i have the energy to do work but my body refuses…what im trying to ask is , in anyones opinion, the trouble with me[/quote]
The unscientific name for your condition is “neurological burnout.” Take a couple of days off. Lay off the stimulants. Give your CNS time to recover.