My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Pauli D wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I was just wondering today if “fat adapt” and “enter ketosis” were the same thing.

Since there are those strips to check for ketosis, are there any ways to check if your body is “fat adapted” but not in ketosis? I mean, besides the obvious objective feelings of increased energy/etc.

For curiosity?s sake…
What benefit are you looking for?

Is there something specific you would like to do but cannot do until you become ‘fat-adapted’?

Or would you simply like the confidence of knowing you are progressing sufficiently?

How long have you been using the AD principles?

…just curious

:wink:

peace
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Right now I’m looking to lose some fat.

I was asking about a way to test for fat adaption so I dont go carbing up before I give myself enough time to make the shift (and having, essentially, wasted time).

I just started the AD prinicples last week (my diet is more of the T-Dawg, though, but that is modeled after the AD, so they are similar).

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
This ain’t no short-term fix. You have to be on board this diet for the long haul.

This should be plastered in huge font on every page of this thread. There have been an influx of people who are seeming to say: “I’m going on the AD for 8 weeks. When will I be fat adapted?”

The AD is not a “diet.” It’s a lifestyle - a way of eating. It is very Zen or Tao. This is why the answer to so many questions is, “It depends.” Or, “You’ll know it when you know it.” You can’t pee on a strip to get your answers.

Too many new people are treating it as some short-term fix. I like what “Trib” said earlier: If you’re not going to be on the AD for at least six months, do not even bother. Maybe that should be plastered all over this thread, as well.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this. From what I understood in the past, most low carb diets are meant to be short term; I guess I assumed the same was true about a carb cycling diet.

The only problem I’ve read about using the AD for bulking is that it is very hard to get enough calories in. Have you had any problems with this (during bulking phases, if you use them)?

I’m just asking about your experience, thats all.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
This ain’t no short-term fix. You have to be on board this diet for the long haul.

This should be plastered in huge font on every page of this thread. There have been an influx of people who are seeming to say: “I’m going on the AD for 8 weeks. When will I be fat adapted?”

The AD is not a “diet.” It’s a lifestyle - a way of eating. It is very Zen or Tao. This is why the answer to so many questions is, “It depends.” Or, “You’ll know it when you know it.” You can’t pee on a strip to get your answers.

Too many new people are treating it as some short-term fix. I like what “Trib” said earlier: If you’re not going to be on the AD for at least six months, do not even bother. Maybe that should be plastered all over this thread, as well.

Thank you for posting this. From what I understood in the past, most low carb diets are meant to be short term; I guess I assumed the same was true about a carb cycling diet.

The only problem I’ve read about using the AD for bulking is that it is very hard to get enough calories in. Have you had any problems with this (during bulking phases, if you use them)?

I’m just asking about your experience, thats all.
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How many cals are we talking about, for you? When I “bulked” it was only about 4100-4300/day…but for people like DH it must be about 6000/day (guessing).

I had no problems, personally.

AD

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The only problem I’ve read about using the AD for bulking is that it is very hard to get enough calories in. [/quote]

Fat is the most calorically dense food out there. One single tablespoon of olive oil has over 125 calories in it. An ounce of almonds has 170 calories.

I’ll be blunt. People who say they can’t eat enough while on the AD are little bitches who will find an excuse to fail at anything.

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I don’t know why, but I cant seem to get protein below about 15%. What are you guys eating on weekends?

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[quote]ovalpline wrote:

Once you get through this stretch, the worst will be behind you. Although take heed to what I wrote earlier, you’ll need MONTHS before you truly adapt.

This ain’t no short-term fix. You have to be on board this diet for the long haul.[/quote]

I’m glad to hear this and I think it confirms my experience. This is my first post on the thread but I have been a long time observer. It is now exactly one month sense I started the anabolic diet. I had pretty crappy energy during the first two weeks (12 days under 30 carbs) but I managed.

During the third week I kind of crashed during the middle of the week. After that day however, my energy levels and motivation have continued to improve (although I still have ups and downs) to the point where I’m feeling as good or better than before I was on the diet. I’m hoping this will continue to improve as my body becomes more and more efficient at using fat for energy.

This my be a coincidence, but sense starting the anabolic diet and Chad Waterbury’s high frequency training at the same time, I have sense gotten more remarks about me working out and asking if I lift weights than I have in a long time although I am actually lighter than I used to be. I am also at my strongest for this bodyweight.

It seems like this diet offers the perfect way to gain muscle and lose fat all in one. So going into the diet after reading about it so much, I knew this could very well be the beginning of a new lifestyle.

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
How many cals are we talking about, for you? When I “bulked” it was only about 4100-4300/day…but for people like DH it must be about 6000/day (guessing).

I had no problems, personally.

AD
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This article is most of what I have to go on for the AD. I assumed Shugart is accurate about his description of the diet. http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_71eat

From the article:

[i]This is the only time I found the diet to be a little complicated. First, you decide what’s your ideal weight. Obviously, if you weigh a buck-forty and decide that your “ideal weight” is 260, you may have some serious body image issues, indeed.

DiPasquale uses the example of a 200-pound competitive bodybuilder. His ideal weight might be 215 pounds. Now, take this ideal weight and add 15% to it. This is the weight that you’ll shoot for while bulking. Our 200-pounder should overshoot his ideal weight by 15%, which would put him close to 250 pounds. To do this, he should consume 20-25 calories per pound of desired bodyweight everyday. That would put our guy eating 5,000-6,250 calories daily. If he’s gaining about two pounds a week, he shouldn’t be adding too much fat. [/i]

(feel free to let me know if hes wrong about that)

So, assuming I cut to about 170 (my intention)… I think it would be reasonable to try to bulk to 185-190.

So I should add 15% to 190, so 218. Times 20-25, puts me at 4360-5450.

A few questions:

Does my goal sound outwardly unreasonable?

I assume I should start closer to 4360, and, if need be, gradually increase my calories more towards 5450 as my body adapts to the increase in calories. Is this correct?

Lastly, another question about the maintenance period: I’m going to be spending the next 13 days low carb (to ensure that I become fat adapted). During this phase, should I not use Surge post workout (will using it get in the way of the metabolic shift)?

Thank you.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So, assuming I cut to about 170 (my intention)… I think it would be reasonable to try to bulk to 185-190.

So I should add 15% to 190, so 218. Times 20-25, puts me at 4360-5450.
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Jumping calories like this would be suicide.

Throw out formulas. Right now. They are all worthless.

Eat. Weigh yourself. If the scale doesn’t move in the right direction after two weeks, change shit gradually.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

Lastly, another question about the maintenance period: I’m going to be spending the next 13 days low carb (to ensure that I become fat adapted). During this phase, should I not use Surge post workout (will using it get in the way of the metabolic shift)?
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I’m going to make you answer your own question, using a “If…then” statement:

If we are to keep carbs under 30g during that transition time.

AND Surge has 46g carbs/serving.

Then*:_____

AD

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So, assuming I cut to about 170 (my intention)… I think it would be reasonable to try to bulk to 185-190.

So I should add 15% to 190, so 218. Times 20-25, puts me at 4360-5450.

Jumping calories like this would be suicide.

Throw out formulas. Right now. They are all worthless.

Eat. Weigh yourself. If the scale doesn’t move in the right direction after two weeks, change shit gradually.
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I’ll agree and disagree here:

  1. In my experience so far, you can’t judge by the scale initially…for at least a few months. The body will be building LBM and losing fat.

monitoring bodyfat would be better, it losing weight.

I didn’t gain a single pound when bulking for about 3 months, but the BF went down during that time and the LBM increasd.

once on the AD for a few months, then the scale can be a better measure for gains/loss…but monitoring bodyfat is still superior, if possible.

  1. I say: Start with a “formula” and adjust from there. Doc D made a formula and it should be followed initially. Once you get in tune with your body and all that, then adjust gradually.

  2. I’ll agree with CalLaw saying: Jumping cals like that would be suicide.

AD

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Hello,

I begin the Anabolic Diet last week, it is easy for me because i am used with very low carb diet (8 months last years with atkins) and as i am french, i’ve got lot of varuety of delicious cheeses !!

I like soooooo much high fat diet because of the energetic levels i’ve got all the day ! it is wonderfull and this is why i started the anabolic diet

I read the e-book from Dr Dipasqual about the anabolic diet! it is wonderfull !!!

But I have a question (stupid ok but…) I konw that most peaple do a two week induction phase (as most of the high fat diet like atkins etc) but I did not find it in the e-book of the anabolic diet !! did I read wrong, where is the page about it in the e-book please ?

I was thinking as we train intensively mayu be Dipasquale think we have to go directly for the 5:2 diet ?

Thank you for your answer !

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:

Lastly, another question about the maintenance period: I’m going to be spending the next 13 days low carb (to ensure that I become fat adapted). During this phase, should I not use Surge post workout (will using it get in the way of the metabolic shift)?

I’m going to make you answer your own question, using a “If…then” statement:

If we are to keep carbs under 30g during that transition time.

AND Surge has 46g carbs/serving.

Then*:_____

AD

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Ok. I didn’t know all of the specifics about the introductory phase.

Plus, its common to hear “Limit carbs except after lifting”.

Thank you for answering, though. Looks like I’ll be skipping the Surge for a while. :frowning:

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So, assuming I cut to about 170 (my intention)… I think it would be reasonable to try to bulk to 185-190.

So I should add 15% to 190, so 218. Times 20-25, puts me at 4360-5450.

Jumping calories like this would be suicide.

Throw out formulas. Right now. They are all worthless.

Eat. Weigh yourself. If the scale doesn’t move in the right direction after two weeks, change shit gradually.

I’ll agree and disagree here:

  1. In my experience so far, you can’t judge by the scale initially…for at least a few months. The body will be building LBM and losing fat.

monitoring bodyfat would be better, it losing weight.

I didn’t gain a single pound when bulking for about 3 months, but the BF went down during that time and the LBM increasd.

once on the AD for a few months, then the scale can be a better measure for gains/loss…but monitoring bodyfat is still superior, if possible.

  1. I say: Start with a “formula” and adjust from there. Doc D made a formula and it should be followed initially. Once you get in tune with your body and all that, then adjust gradually.

  2. I’ll agree with CalLaw saying: Jumping cals like that would be suicide.

AD
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Ok, so:

Steady ramp the cals without huge jumps. Dont rely on scale weight, use mirror and tape measure (I dont have a reliable body fat testing method).

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Alright well I guess I’m gonna hop on the AD wagon and try and bulk up while leaning out some. So let me see if I have the principles right?

If I’m trying to gain I’ll use a base of Ideal bodyweight *18 kcal/body lb. Giving me 3830 kcals a day. I do 62% fat, 35% pro, and 3% cho which makes my carbs under 30g/day. Do this for 14 days than get a carb up day going somewhere along the lines of 60C/30P/10F on the carb up day than I go back to 6 daysat normal 62/35/3 and than a carb up day on the 7th day?

If this is the case I like it, they say to keep the sabath holy and having a carb up day sounds like a great way to do that after low carb for 6.

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     I'm no expert, but you're numbers %,looks a little off. Here it is straight from Dr.Di's text in the AD.
         Carbs  %FAT %PRO %CHO

Weekdays
MAX: 30gm 55-60 30-35 5-8

Weekends
(36-48hr. Nolimit 30-40 10-15 45-60
carb load)

      This is just the transition protocol, as many have pointed out you tweak it after fat adaption. 
      Hope this gives you a better guideline. 
          ToneBone
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       Mr. Capped and plantit.

Just to let you know, there is a link to the book in pdf on page 216. Obviously this will answer most if not all of your questions.
       cheers, ToneBone
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Mr. Capped and plantit.

Just to let you know, there is a link to the book in pdf on page 216. Obviously this will answer most if not all of your questions.
       cheers, ToneBone

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Haha. Capped and Plan It, not Plant It.

Ya know… Cappedandplanit… Captain Planet?

Thanks, though.

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       LOL. ok bud.
     you got it. I'm on day 9 here.

I have noticed I have slight-moderate headache pain in the mornings last couple of days. It goes away after breakfast for the most part though.
Numbers are going good, I am starting to get some mild cravings for carbs as I see them lying around the house here and there from the wife and kids meals. Looking forward to a nice “crash” though soon.
ToneBone

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thanks for the reply, i’ll read through the pdf and ask questions after that

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I read the book some, and I did a lot of thinking, and I’m really just messing myself up here.

I’m trying to follow both the t-dawg 2.0 and the AD. I’m realizing the diets are too different; the PWO Surge, one day of carb ups, no induction phase of the t-dawg simply does not fit with the >30g carbs 5 days, two day carb up , 12-16 day “break in” start of the AD.

I’m stuck between sticking with the t-dawg and going to the AD. I’m just going to have to continue weighing everything out, I guess.

I’m sorry if this question has been asked repeatedly here, but:

In your experience, has not having a carb/protein PWO shake been a significant detriment to your progress in the gym?