A little caffeine goes a long way on the AD. I’ve always had superior energy during the AD fat days. It really makes you realize how sub-par you were living life before.
My first few weeks on the AD I tried a cup of coffee before a workout. I was training in an abbreviated fashion 6x per week so I had a cup of coffee nearly every day. I got so jacked that my back had hives and my lips swelled up! My upper lip swelled on the left side mainly and my lower lip swelled on the right. I could close my mouth and look like somebody thumped Donald Duck with a ball bat. It was hilarious.
I went to work that day (worked as a trainer at the local gym) and tried to position myself behind my desk at an angle so people couldn’t notice my face. Of course they all did and pretty much everybody who walked through the door was a friend of mine by this time so they all had a great laugh.
It took about 2 days for the hives to go down. They wanted to know what mass program I put my lips on with such great results. Ha!
Anyway, there seems to be a “straight shot” with stimulants on the AD. The controlled insulin levels allowing for higher levels of glucagon and excitatory neurotransmitters such as dopamine (instead of a steady stream of serotonin on CHO) puts you in a natural energy buzz already. Just find your limit and stay there. Take it from Disc “the Donald” Hoss.
DH
I shoulda put lipstick on them big puppies! Now that’s entertainment…
[quote]Joebob wrote:
I am sure HOT-ROX would be a great addition to this diet, but I think those that are just starting the AD should feel the waters out first. I plan on Hitting my 12 week mark before I add any supps (Carbolin 19). I am no expert, but I think that this might be the best approach to this and any new diet you start.
By the way I am four weeks in and so far I love this diet. Carb ups are great, but by Sunday I am ready for some fats I am not missing the carbs as bad as I thought I would, and my energy is amazing. Does anyone else get an extreme buzz from caffeine containing products. I can get hyped all to hell off just one cup of coffee. Does this have something to do with the high fast intake?[/quote]
Also, depending on age and/or genetic predisposition, be sure to watch putting all this together. Your neurotransmitters are already optimized on the AD and you could create some blood pressure issues. Just something to monitor. It is ALWAYS a good idea to get some routine blood work done and a regular checkup whenever you are on any type of eating pattern. In my opinion everybody should have this done every 6 months, and especially if you are 25 or older.
Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. In my earlier years I couldn’t shake the more is better mentality. Now I see the wisdom in balance. Your body is just too smart to be pushed too far out of kilter without ramifications. You must coax changes, not bludgeon your carcass into submission. More is not always better, better is better.
DH
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
cccp21 wrote:
What does anyone think of an anabolic diet combined with ephedra(pseudophed)or HOT-ROX combined with Power Drive? Will it work?
Brandon Green
HOT-ROX will work fine. Power Drive will work fine. ephedrine will work fine(but add some caffeine in a 1:10 ratio E:C).
add them altogether and you’ll feel like lindsay lohan on a friday night.[/quote]
[quote]Joebob wrote:
I am sure HOT-ROX would be a great addition to this diet, but I think those that are just starting the AD should feel the waters out first. I plan on Hitting my 12 week mark before I add any supps (Carbolin 19). I am no expert, but I think that this might be the best approach to this and any new diet you start.
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I was planning on doing this as well, I just wasn’t going to wait that long. JoeBob you is a more patient man than I. I was thinking after about 6-8 weeks deciding where I needed to go from there. Should I take more time?
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Joebob wrote:
I am sure HOT-ROX would be a great addition to this diet, but I think those that are just starting the AD should feel the waters out first. I plan on Hitting my 12 week mark before I add any supps (Carbolin 19). I am no expert, but I think that this might be the best approach to this and any new diet you start.
I was planning on doing this as well, I just wasn’t going to wait that long. JoeBob you is a more patient man than I. I was thinking after about 6-8 weeks deciding where I needed to go from there. Should I take more time?
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I guess this is more of a personal thing than anything. I decided on 12 weeks because my training is based on four week blocks. I feel after three four week blocks of training and keeping my diet really consistent during that time I can gage how I respond and how good the diet actually is.
How could you tell if the diet is really working for you if you are stacking HOT-ROX / Alpha Male / Carbolin 19 / Pumptech / CEE the first week of your new diet? 6-8 weeks would probably be fine imo.
What supps do you plan on adding? I think Carbolin 19 is really gonna rock while on this diet. I am going to take it for twelve weeks (there is that magical number 12 again) while upping my calories and hope for some sweet changes in body comp. I want to carry as much muscle as possible at 198 on October 1st, then it is possibly on to the 220’s.
[quote]Owen70 wrote:
mozhne wrote:
jmbundy wrote:
Hey guys and gals, i’m thinking about trying this diet out and though i know it says this diet sounds like it won’t work, it does. I want to start in the cutting phase as i need to lose fat but it suggests weight*18 minus 1,000 calories, I’m 200 so that makes 3600 calories. All of he metabolic rate tests i’ve used place me between 2,000 and 2,200 cals per day. How in the world does taking in more calories than i burn during a day relate to weight loss?
Yea it’s weird and goes against every idea floating around about how to diet but the important thing is: it works. Example. One time about 6-7 years ago I was on the AD about 6 months. Having great results and I decided to really put it to the test. Over a 48 hr. carb up I took in roughly 11,000 calories at a bodywt. of 195.
During the next week I had a huge surge of energy and incredible workouts. I lost approx. 1 inch from my waist and my scale wt. went up 4 lbs to just under 200. This ‘energy balance’ stuff is for housewives. To do the AD you have to adopt the T-Man mindset. So go for it, eat like a man.
Barry
barry, not to fuck with the you or the AD, but i think it is only fair to some of the lurkers on this thread to say that results like that, although they can happen, are not usual. you dont need people going more fucktard on the refeed than they already do.
i know for me and others the biggest hardship of the entire week is the carbload, just because it gets so easy to overeat on the bad shit.
but nevertheless that just goes to show how much more FUN carbcycling/loading is than regular dieting ;)[/quote]
Yea good point Owen. Disclaimer: your results may vary
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Also, depending on age and/or genetic predisposition, be sure to watch putting all this together. Your neurotransmitters are already optimized on the AD and you could create some blood pressure issues. Just something to monitor. It is ALWAYS a good idea to get some routine blood work done and a regular checkup whenever you are on any type of eating pattern. In my opinion everybody should have this done every 6 months, and especially if you are 25 or older.
Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. In my earlier years I couldn’t shake the more is better mentality. Now I see the wisdom in balance. Your body is just too smart to be pushed too far out of kilter without ramifications. You must coax changes, not bludgeon your carcass into submission. More is not always better, better is better.
DH
Owen70 wrote:
cccp21 wrote:
What does anyone think of an anabolic diet combined with ephedra(pseudophed)or HOT-ROX combined with Power Drive? Will it work?
Brandon Green
HOT-ROX will work fine. Power Drive will work fine. ephedrine will work fine(but add some caffeine in a 1:10 ratio E:C).
add them altogether and you’ll feel like lindsay lohan on a friday night.
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********** I agree with you. You cannot be too careful. This is my first time trying this diet so i will skip the stims(coffe,ephed) but still take Power Drive. eggs and mayo here we come.
Brandon green
Okay it?s day 8 for me and I feel pretty good. I?ve noticed slight headaches but no crash. Since I?m looking to lose fat I will probably drop cals during the week after my first carb up. I?m going to try a 36 hour carb up on sat to mid day Sunday and see how it goes.
Is it okay to eat carbs and fat at the same time on the weekend? I?m assuming it is cause all the sample diets look that way. I?m probably going to got with mostly clean carbs and a ?cheat? meal each day. I?m looking to have some a little ice cream and cake.
I?m also looking forward to post workout carb loads. Anyone have any tips for this first carb up.
By the way, on more traditional diets HOT-ROX has worked well for me and ephedrine not so much. As DH says it costs you in the long run. Adrenal burn out and other things are proposed ideas as to why this occurs. All I know is myself and many others have found ephedrine a negative in even the 4 week time frame and certainly if you go beyond that. I find HOT-ROX much better. If you’re just looking for stim try Spike (not with HOT-ROX)
[quote]Joebob wrote:
I guess this is more of a personal thing than anything. I decided on 12 weeks because my training is based on four week blocks. I feel after three four week blocks of training and keeping my diet really consistent during that time I can gage how I respond and how good the diet actually is.
How could you tell if the diet is really working for you if you are stacking HOT-ROX / Alpha Male / Carbolin 19 / Pumptech / CEE the first week of your new diet? 6-8 weeks would probably be fine imo.
What supps do you plan on adding? I think Carbolin 19 is really gonna rock while on this diet. I am going to take it for twelve weeks (there is that magical number 12 again) while upping my calories and hope for some sweet changes in body comp. I want to carry as much muscle as possible at 198 on October 1st, then it is possibly on to the 220’s.[/quote]
I’ve got two bottles of Methoxy-7 just sittin’ around, so I’m going to use them after a few more weeks. It will be interesting to see which Biotest supps. do what to us “fat burners”. Depending on how the Methoxy-7 treats me, I might try a round or two of Carbolin 19 as well. I’m also planning a cut cycle for next summer using just the AD for a few weeks and then using a bottle of HOT-ROX for a few weeks, just to feel things out.
I too had some Methoxy-7 lying around and started it this week along with Carbolin 19.
I’m trying to avoid caffiene right now, but If I get desperate with fat loss I’ll drop the Carbolin 19 and start HOT-ROX. On other diets that was the best stuff I’ve used.
Had a PM on this issue, and thought it might be good to post the content. Name edited out for privacy, of course.
Use cardio as little as possible. You can do it 2-3x per week for 20 mins or so. The thing with cardio is that the caloric usage is not great and the hormonal stimulation is minimal and sometimes detrimental.
I prefer something of an interval activity such as tennis, biking (fast for 30 secs, slower for a few minutes), hiking on rough terrain, some street basketball, etc… These, due to bursts of anaerobic exertion, will stimulate GH and T levels in a fashion more like training. The “best” alternative is really light weight AR sessions, too. Just don’t overdo any superfluous training to the detriment of your workouts.
Also, don’t be worried to drop the cals down to as low as 1500 cals or so. Just bump them up to maintenance on wedneday and during the load. This would allow for 4 low cal days and 3 “normal” days.
For example if you weigh 240 at @26%then try using the following:
Low cal days:
Lean mass x 10 (@180 x 10 = 1800 kcal)
Maintenance cal days:
Lean mass x 15 (@180 x 15 = 2700 kcal)
Also some HOT-ROX, kelp tablets, and plenty of vitamins and minerals should help keep the T3 humming.
Use a thermometer in the am’s before moving. If your temp drops more than .5-1.0 degree then bump cals a little bit that day.
It is monday night after my second carb load and I was wondering about my calorie intake. It seems that last week and this week monday and tuesday I just haven’t been hungry very much. I underate last monday and tuesday and today just couldn’t get myself to cram the stuff down. But last wednesday thus and fri my appetite was back and I was looking for fats to cram down my pie hole. Then of course for the two carb loads so far I have been eating like a pig. I thought I was doing something wrong, but from what you are saying this might be ok to eat like this?
To the supplement question guys, I’m sitting on a case of MAG-10 still and after another month of the AD i’m gonna start cycling that bad boy with Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male. Be envious, be very envious!
The reason i don’t want to use stims is that this is my first time out on this diet and i don’t want to defeat the purpose of my diet by raising insulin. gotta tell ay i feel bad today but better towards the afternoon as i eat something every hour to hour and one half. I ate 8 eggs today,butter,sausage etc.
Brandon Green
Wow I just read all 15 pages of the thread and am going to give the AD a try.
My questions are:
What kind of suitability this has in the long term. Is this something that can be used as a lifestyle change for the future (is it safe to have such a high fat level in the diet for years on end, even if proper fat ratios are used??) Also for example, is this diet limited for use by bodybuilders/powerlifters or could this be useful to other athletes that have slightly higher endurance requirements?
Responses appreciated!!
by the way, I do a 3 day TBT routine of mostly powerlifts and I also do some biking, basketball, etc. a few times week so im curious to know if this AD is something I could use long term with healthy results
[quote]luddini wrote:
Wow I just read all 15 pages of the thread and am going to give the AD a try.
My questions are:
What kind of suitability this has in the long term. Is this something that can be used as a lifestyle change for the future (is it safe to have such a high fat level in the diet for years on end, even if proper fat ratios are used??) Also for example, is this diet limited for use by bodybuilders/powerlifters or could this be useful to other athletes that have slightly higher endurance requirements?
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why not. eskimos live on meat most their lives. but my answer is way to simple. if you get health problems from eating this way(check after the first 2-4 months) then obviously you cant. but if you naturally burn fat fairly easily i dont see why you could eat this way forever.
[quote]luddini wrote:
Responses appreciated!!
by the way, I do a 3 day TBT routine of mostly powerlifts and I also do some biking, basketball, etc. a few times week so im curious to know if this AD is something I could use long term with healthy results[/quote]
i follow a diet alot like the AD, in that it cyclical with a once a week refeed. so day 1-lo, day 2 lo…etc…day5 refeed, day 6 restart.
i also play bball like 5 days a week, and it hasnt really been a problem for me.
Doc D states that the AD should have been called the Anabolic lifestyle. I’ve done it for a decade. Its healthy as long as you get the right fats mixed in and consume plenty of veggies. Far better than the alternative. Far…
The calorie issue is a common one. Once your body knows how to burn some body fat for serious fuel, it can take the appetite away. You’ve got food all over your body, now. ;-). If you are wanting to trim down then its cool to let this work to your advantage.
If you want to mass or maintain thereby needing more cals, then DRINK your needs. I consistently drink 3 meals per day, cycled with 3 solid meals and snacks if I so choose/need. My appetite has never been big, at least not for more than a few meals.
I’ll get 50g protein powder mixed with 3-4tbsp heavy cream and 1tbsp olive oil. This gets around 500 cals, is easy on the gut, and allows for more frequent feedings. But again, if you are looking to do some summer cutting, then enjoy yet another benefit of the AD…less severe hunger fluctuations. Not only is the AD easier to build muscle on, but it’s much easier to lose bodyfat (while keeping ALL the muscle) on. Best of both worlds. With props to Van Halen.
Best,
DH
[quote]Vegita wrote:
DH
It is monday night after my second carb load and I was wondering about my calorie intake. It seems that last week and this week monday and tuesday I just haven’t been hungry very much. I underate last monday and tuesday and today just couldn’t get myself to cram the stuff down. But last wednesday thus and fri my appetite was back and I was looking for fats to cram down my pie hole. Then of course for the two carb loads so far I have been eating like a pig. I thought I was doing something wrong, but from what you are saying this might be ok to eat like this?
To the supplement question guys, I’m sitting on a case of MAG-10 still and after another month of the AD i’m gonna start cycling that bad boy with Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male. Be envious, be very envious!
Hi There Fellow AD’ers, This is week 4 for me, I’ve been through 2 carb-ups.
I have a rather important question to ask those who have been on the AD for a while:
When do crashes stop? I ask because during both of my workouts this week, (yesterday and today’s), I felt pretty bad. No energy, no real drive, just like when I was first crashing on the diet.
I seem to have gained strength,(I’ll find out after this last week of ABBH), I know I’ve gained weight, but after this last carb-up, (my second), I’ve just felt like shit. Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong. I can post a copy of my average daily intake if it would help. Thanks a ton.
Vegeta, I’ve noticed the same thing this last week or so, I’ve had a hard time getting my usual 4000 cals/day. I’m waiting until I weight myself on friday before i decide whether or not to take cals down.
you can pretty much expect to always crash if you are doing the other facets of the diet right. i.e. if your carb intake was low enough during the week to promote operating in a keto-ish environment, and your carb load contained enough pure starches/sugars(remember keep fructose low below 50 grams) you will most likely crash. i have been dieting witha refeed every 5 days for like 2 months now, and the only thing that has changed from week to week is the severity of the crash, i.e. i always do.
I am not missing the carbs as bad as I thought I would, and my energy is amazing. Does anyone else get an extreme buzz from caffeine containing products. I can get hyped all to hell off just one cup of coffee. Does this have something to do with the high fast intake?[/quote]