Can you hook me up on those bulk food prices, IL Cazzo? I do pretty good by making “deals” with the local vendors, but damn, those prices are a bit lower still…
Hey guys.
I started the AD on the 1st and am feeling pretty good so far.
I train BJJ 2-3 times a week so I was glad to see that other grapplers had succes with this lifestyle.
So far the only serious problem I have is that I’ll have to do my first carb-up on the 10th, since I’ll be visiting my parents and my mom will surely stuff me full of carb-filled x-mas food. I’ll have to try to keep it as clean as possible.
Quick question: Is the Anabolic Diet a reasonable diet to use while trying to cut and maintain muscle? I have read about 50 pages so far and got tired.
quick answer…yes
u know… i really love this thread. sometimes i get caught up in reading it. good to see everyone enjoying the AD.
Hey Guys, Day 2 coming to an end. Made sure to up my fat intake. Still need to up the calories: I am trying to figure out some meals with a lot of calories that I can have. Still getting ~2000.
Cheese is ok to eat, correct? I am finding that if I snack on cheese, its good because, a) it tastes good, b) it has a lot of fat in it.
Man,
It’s awesome to see so many newbies.
SK
[quote]mikecc wrote:
Hey Guys, Day 2 coming to an end. Made sure to up my fat intake. Still need to up the calories: I am trying to figure out some meals with a lot of calories that I can have. Still getting ~2000.
Cheese is ok to eat, correct? I am finding that if I snack on cheese, its good because, a) it tastes good, b) it has a lot of fat in it. [/quote]
Dude, do you own the book? You need to.
Also, calorie-wise, just focus on eating when you’re hungry, eating as much as your body wants and when it wants it. Cheese, walnuts, olive-oil, eggs, fatty meats, and veggies. Focus on these and you’ll get your fat intake.
Don’t fear fat… to only have gotten a low 30-something percentage from your feedings the other day suggests to me that you are not yet willing to eat fat. You’ll need to, especially during your transition phase.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
mikecc wrote:
Hey Guys, Day 2 coming to an end. Made sure to up my fat intake. Still need to up the calories: I am trying to figure out some meals with a lot of calories that I can have. Still getting ~2000.
Cheese is ok to eat, correct? I am finding that if I snack on cheese, its good because, a) it tastes good, b) it has a lot of fat in it.
Dude, do you own the book? You need to.
Also, calorie-wise, just focus on eating when you’re hungry, eating as much as your body wants and when it wants it. Cheese, walnuts, olive-oil, eggs, fatty meats, and veggies. Focus on these and you’ll get your fat intake.
Don’t fear fat… to only have gotten a low 30-something percentage from your feedings the other day suggests to me that you are not yet willing to eat fat. You’ll need to, especially during your transition phase.
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Thanks for your feedback. Yes, I have the book on PDF. The main reason why I had low 30 somethings in fat was because I thought roast beef was more fatty than it really was. I have now taken the time to research actual nutrition facts for most of my feeds.
The main reason that I was (and still sort of am) having trouble was because I really have never been on a diet where one must be very meticulous about how much of their food is fats, protein, and carbs. A diet for me was majority of protein, while watching fat.
Il Cazz! i’ve got a question:
i’ve done CKD and UD2, and lyle suggests consuming as little fat as possible on his carb loads - <50g. he says that the body will want to store any fat consumed back to fat.
however, Doc D and DH recommend eating fat, like around 30%.
do the programs work differenly so that fat gets partitioned in different ways? or is lyle just wrong about what the body does with the fat?
If you’re looking for fatty food choices take advantage of nuts, especially walnuts, almonds, and (my favorite) pecans.
Also cook with liberal amounts of olive oil and (to a lesser extent) butter.
Peace
BuddaBill
I’ve been following this thread for a while, and have some questions.
I’m a college student, and like to enjoy a couple of beers 2-3x a week, and maybe more like 6 on one night. Would it completely screw up my anabolic diet if I had a beer or two on 2-3 nights of the no carb week? How about 6 beers on a carbup game?
It seems like it would, so I’ve been considering just going on a long term moderate carb diet with nutrient timing/food combinations like John Berardi reccomends. Mainly, with carbs pre and post workout and maybe at breakfast. Of course, salads and green veggie are allowed throughout.
I’m 6’2 200lbs, probably 10-12% bodyfat. I wouldn’t mind losing a little fat, but mainly just want to get stronger and leaner for soccer. I train alot, also, so the moderate carb plan is a little more appealing to me in that respect…the highs and lows of the anabolic diet seems like it would dominate your life to a degree.
Thanks
[quote]solidgk wrote:
Would it completely screw up my anabolic diet if I had a beer or two on 2-3 nights of the no carb week?
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Yes
[quote]solidgk wrote:
How about 6 beers on a carbup game?
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Alcohol in anything over VERY limited amounts is a test killing, metabolism wrecking monster. If you’re young and healthy you may not notice for a while, but even then your progress WILL be adversely affected. Anybody who tells you otherwise will also be trying to talk themselves into believing that it’s not hurting them either.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Only once in my life (that I can recall) did it cramp up during a workout. All other times that I recall, it happened about an hour before I was to wake up.
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OK, I gotta tell ya bro in all honesty, I have no idea. Maybe, one of the docs or nutrition nerds would know better. Anything I could say would be guessing at best and blindly at that.
I’m thinking of giving the AD another try, but I need some advice. I did a little over a month of it this last July, made it through the 2wk induction including two days of absolutely HELLISH crashing, and then made it through 2 more weeks before giving up.
Ironically enough it wasn’t the low carb days that I disliked, I felt that my energy level was great throughout the day, lost some water weight and fat, I think my skin looked better, and found that I didn’t get really tired and shaky in the mornings or between unintended large gaps between meals.
What messed me up were the carb ups. I tried to keep them clean - a lot of fruit, oatmeal, whole wheat pasta, sweet potatoes, etc - but my body didn’t handle it well. I would start to feel incredibly sluggish about an hour after the first carb meal, and my energy levels would drop HARD throughout the entire weekend (kind of like the feeling you get after a big Thanksgiving dinner). In addition, my bowels were, shall we say, less than reliable. The Monday workout pump was amazing, yes, but I had a hard time maintaining intensity because I felt both very tired and like I was on the verge of shitting my pants.
I’ve always been really insulin sensitive, and I was hoping that the AD would help me fix this problem; instead it seemed to exacerbate it. Over the fall I’ve been trying a 50P/30C/20F split, ala Berardi, but I’m not really happy with how I feel on it either. I get uncomfortably hungry between meals and shaky in the mornings. I’ve tried eating more (adding 500 or 1000cals a day) but just put on fat really quickly and felt about the same.
I’d really appreciate it if any of the AD vets and experts on here could help me brainstorm some things to try.
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
I’m thinking of giving the AD another try, but I need some advice. I did a little over a month of it this last July, made it through the 2wk induction including two days of absolutely HELLISH crashing, and then made it through 2 more weeks before giving up.
Ironically enough it wasn’t the low carb days that I disliked, I felt that my energy level was great throughout the day, lost some water weight and fat, I think my skin looked better, and found that I didn’t get really tired and shaky in the mornings or between unintended large gaps between meals.
What messed me up were the carb ups. I tried to keep them clean - a lot of fruit, oatmeal, whole wheat pasta, sweet potatoes, etc - but my body didn’t handle it well. I would start to feel incredibly sluggish about an hour after the first carb meal, and my energy levels would drop HARD throughout the entire weekend (kind of like the feeling you get after a big Thanksgiving dinner). In addition, my bowels were, shall we say, less than reliable. The Monday workout pump was amazing, yes, but I had a hard time maintaining intensity because I felt both very tired and like I was on the verge of shitting my pants.
I’ve always been really insulin sensitive, and I was hoping that the AD would help me fix this problem; instead it seemed to exacerbate it. Over the fall I’ve been trying a 50P/30C/20F split, ala Berardi, but I’m not really happy with how I feel on it either. I get uncomfortably hungry between meals and shaky in the mornings. I’ve tried eating more (adding 500 or 1000cals a day) but just put on fat really quickly and felt about the same.
I’d really appreciate it if any of the AD vets and experts on here could help me brainstorm some things to try.[/quote]
Just check out our other thread “Experience Off Anabolic Diet”. I feel the same way with carbups, but the bowel thing doesn’t happen with me.
But I am doing carbups only every 2 weeks, and then a small carb day consisting of about 75g carbs (all vegetable or fruit) or going to gators dockside with my friends to get all u can eat lemon pepper chicken wings on monday night =), for a small carb shot i guess you could say. And I’m doing that every other week and then a carbup on the weeks that i don’t do that. (hope that made sense!)
And I agree about the energy level thing. Carbs severely screw up your energy.
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
<<<I’d really appreciate it if any of the AD vets and experts on here could help me brainstorm some things to try.[/quote]
I’m not quite a vet yet, but try giving it at least 2 - 3 months as prescribed and tough out the rollercoaster ride. Seriously. I cannot stress this enough. You are reprogramming your entire physical life to run on a different fuel source. It takes considerably longer than the induction period to level off. Any true vet will tell you this.
“Giving it a try” will not work. You must be willing to commit a few months at least or you’re better off not starting.
With all due respect to you Bismarck, I do not see how 75 grams every 2 weeks can possibly replenish enough glycogen to support weight training. Not trying to be an ass, but it flies in the face of everything I’ve learned.
[quote]dissipate wrote:
Il Cazz! i’ve got a question:
i’ve done CKD and UD2, and lyle suggests consuming as little fat as possible on his carb loads - <50g. he says that the body will want to store any fat consumed back to fat.
however, Doc D and DH recommend eating fat, like around 30%.
do the programs work differenly so that fat gets partitioned in different ways? or is lyle just wrong about what the body does with the fat?[/quote]
I don’t know the science behind it…both Lyle and Dr. D are extremely knowledgable about this stuff so I don’t know.
But, for me, if I eat fat during a carb up, I get fat…and I feel like crap. But, that’s just my experience.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
With all due respect to you Bismarck, I do not see how 75 grams every 2 weeks can possibly replenish enough glycogen to support weight training. Not trying to be an ass, but it flies in the face of everything I’ve learned.[/quote]
Thats the whole point of this. I want to see if after a while it can support weight training. If I notice bad things, then I’ll go back to the normal AD. Or maybe change up a few things. But also, Im not doing 75 grams every 2 weeks.
Heres what I’m doing:
Weekdays: 30g carb max, (all must be from veggies)
Sunday of week 1: 1 meal 75g carbs, the rest of the meals normal AD
Weekdays: Same as before.
Sunday of week 2: normal carbup
Then repeat…
So its like I’m doing the induction phase over and over, except I’m throwing in a carb meal halfway through.
And also I’m just trying it out for a while to see what happens. If my workouts suffer or I notice other bad things then I’ll go back to the normal AD.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
<<<I’d really appreciate it if any of the AD vets and experts on here could help me brainstorm some things to try.
I’m not quite a vet yet, but try giving it at least 2 - 3 months as prescribed and tough out the rollercoaster ride. Seriously. I cannot stress this enough. You are reprogramming your entire physical life to run on a different fuel source. It takes considerably longer than the induction period to level off. Any true vet will tell you this.
“Giving it a try” will not work. You must be willing to commit a few months at least or you’re better off not starting.
With all due respect to you Bismarck, I do not see how 75 grams every 2 weeks can possibly replenish enough glycogen to support weight training. Not trying to be an ass, but it flies in the face of everything I’ve learned.[/quote]
I guess I didn’t get the impression from reading the eBook that the transition would take quite that long. I will tough it out for at least 2 solid months this time and see what happens - it seems like the payoff is more than worth the struggle.
I thought one possibility for the bowels thing was that I was getting substantially more fiber on the carb-heavy weekends than during the week. Maybe if I got a little more fiber during the week my body wouldn’t be so shocked by the weekends?
I was also reading back at the beginning of the thread again and noticed that a couple posters (hoss specifically) mentioned an allergic reaction to wheat during the first couple carb ups. Maybe I had something like that going on?