So where can I find a link to the new thread? And please be patient with me - I’m better in the field than on the computer.
SK
[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
So where can I find a link to the new thread? And please be patient with me - I’m better in the field than on the computer.
SK[/quote]
Here it is:
[quote]dissipate wrote:
hi everyone, i’m on day 12 and was wondering about fat intake on carb loads…
i’ve done CKD and UD2, and lyle suggests consuming as little fat as possible on his carb loads - <50g. he says that the body will want to store any fat consumed back to fat.
however, Doc D and DH recommend eating fat, like around 30%.
do the programs work differenly so that fat gets partitioned in different ways? or is lyle just wrong about what the body does with the fat?[/quote]
I’ve done no research on CKD or UD2 (in fact, I’ve not heard of them…at least, it’s not “ringing a bell” at the moment…sleep deprevation, maybe), but I can tell you that personally, I’m doing what DH said (as quoted at the top of the page) and it’s working great. I met with some former students yesterday and they say I look a lot thinner (although weight is slightly higher, and it was in the middle of my carb-up).
My suggestion is to do as DH and Doc D say.
keep us informed.
AD
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Geez, I gotta get caught up with this thread. I’ve been hung up in a bunch of other ones. Today,s carb load had me feeling like 210 pounds of liquid demerol until about 4 o clock. Haven’t had that in a while. Did have a great workout though at 7. My ribs are about 90% better which is great.[/quote]
I was wondering what happened to ya dude…
And YG, could you share with us what a usual carb up phase consists of for you?
sure nothing crazy, pasta and cheese, homemade pizza (so whole wheat bread, bunch of good stuff), sweet potatoes and oatmeal with fruit makes the majority of my load. I have my snacks here and there but usually healthier carbs.
However, ill say I’ve had total shit carb up days (brownies, cakes, ice cream) and energy was fine no crash and i felt like i got much fuller.
The first and only crash I had was on oats and blueberries.
This is probably why I can’t see getting rid of carbs or limiting them more so cause I feel fine on the load and I’m a big eater so who doesn’t like having some chocolate raspberry cheesecake to go with oats and berries for breakfast.
So, anyone here have some good AD recipes?
Hey, after 4 days of the Diet, did anybody experiece a massive weight loss, like ive lost almost 3 pounds, im a little concerened, do i need to up the kcals, or was this just a little bit of a shock to my body?
[quote]WS4adumbastard wrote:
Hey, after 4 days of the Diet, did anybody experiece a massive weight loss, like ive lost almost 3 pounds, im a little concerened, do i need to up the kcals, or was this just a little bit of a shock to my body?[/quote]
This was your first 4 days on the diet?
Is so, it’s normal. Carbs consist of two parts water and when your body burns off the carb reserve all that water gets excreted as well. Were you pissing more than normal?
Expect this to happen every week if you follow the proper carb phase. You should be very thirsty when your in the carb load phase and gain all the water weight back. Then you should lose it again when you return to low carb eating. Don’t let it throw you off.
SK
3 or four pounds and you are worried? Don’t be. It’s probably just water weight; and you should get used to the yo-yo. I go down about 7-8 pounds Monday to Friday, and back up the same on the weekend carb-up - more if I indulge in some salty popcorn.
Just keep on it and eventually it will all sort itself out.
[quote]WS4adumbastard wrote:
Hey, after 4 days of the Diet, did anybody experiece a massive weight loss, like ive lost almost 3 pounds, im a little concerened, do i need to up the kcals, or was this just a little bit of a shock to my body?[/quote]
I wouldn’t worry about it too much in the beginning. It’s quite possible it’s water weight.
DH said not to worry too much about the scale and instead watch the mirror and weight room.
What is your goal?
AD
[quote]Brendan Ryan wrote:
So, anyone here have some good AD recipes?[/quote]
I’m a bit of a simpleton. Meat with various spices and seasonings: sometimes cajun seasoning, sometimes lemon pepper, sometimes garlic salt. I’m sure you can get really creative with it, but I am obsessed with red meat of any cut and any seasoning at this point.
I figured it was just water, it just caught me off guard, since ive never been one to lose weight easily, i was what i like to refer as skinny fat before i found the weight room halways through high school. Im a sophomore in college now, and i plan on taking part in my first powerlifting competition after the new year.
But as a vain college kid, i still wanna look good when the shirt comes off, but dont worry, im not one of those bastards who just wants a six pack, cuz that dont mean shit if cant throw around some respectable weight in the big 3, and i would like to use this to take myself from 188 to past 200.
So, as im new to this, im sure i’ll be around here for advice. For my first carb up on Thursday, i think im gonna start with peanut butter and jelly on wheat, and then focus on carbs with lower GI as the 2 day carb up goes on, does in theory sound ok ?
Thanks for all the help --WS4
powerlifting, while still looking good “nekkid” I’ve got a few pics in the profile if you wanna see what im working with.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Brendan Ryan wrote:
So, anyone here have some good AD recipes?
I’m a bit of a simpleton. Meat with various spices and seasonings: sometimes cajun seasoning, sometimes lemon pepper, sometimes garlic salt. I’m sure you can get really creative with it, but I am obsessed with red meat of any cut and any seasoning at this point.[/quote]
I’m like this too (except I put chicken into my diet to). I also like to use block cheeses (Edam or Gourda are my favs) and eat them too.
THey are good for “on the go”…eat 6 cubic inches of them and 3 servings of protein with 1 tblsp olive oil and you have a quick and decent 750 cals.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1296825
We should probably revive this one.
I’m the worst guy to ask about recipes if taste means anything to you. I’ll eat damn near anything and convenience is usually a bigger priority to me.
For all the brand new guys. The first several weeks and the first couple especially will have you on a real rollercoaster as far as weight and energy are concerned. It’s all normal and will definitely level off. The initial adaptation is just the beginning. It will take several additional weeks before you can really tell what kind of tweaking to do.
I’ve been toying with the idea of some modifications myself, but I must honestly recommend against it until sufficient time for the tried and true basic principles have been given time to work.
I’m not saying good results can’t come from experimentation, but just that better bets can be placed if you get some time under your belt first.
I consider myself an ADer, and have been following some sort of low-carb approach for over ten years (before the AD it was Bev Intl.'s approach for many years).
I am a bit confused with all the talk of late though… The AD IS an approach designed for experimentation and individual adaptation.
If you recall my post several pages back, my current dietary approach very much utilizes Gironda’s protocols for diet (not to mention I tend to follow many of his recommendations for supplementation); yet, I consider myself an ADer.
The AD allows the formers protocol to be applied IF it works for your body in a certain period of time. Again, individual experimentation and adaptation. There isn’t one way folks, and the longer you remain on the AD and learn your body and needs, the more you find that the AD encompasses many different nutritional approaches.
And, I completely agree with Tiribulus: one needs to be fully fat-adapted and live the AD life long enough to learn your body before one makes changes. Think of the basic AD recommendations as a pattern to follow. When your body deviates, and it will, take note. Continue on. Continue to observe. Continue to learn your body. When you begin to see patterns develop in your body’s deviations over the months, then you can begin to adapt the AD, which the AD protocols completely encourage, if not tell you to expect, to better serve your body. But it takes time on the fixed pattern first. Make sense?
Anyhow, just my thoughts.
ya I see what your saying vasudeva.
Also, does anyone have any good websites with information on Vince Gironda. Like his diet information, exercises, etc…
[quote]vasudeva wrote:
I consider myself an ADer, and have been following some sort of low-carb approach for over ten years (before the AD it was Bev Intl.'s approach for many years).
I am a bit confused with all the talk of late though… The AD IS an approach designed for experimentation and individual adaptation.
If you recall my post several pages back, my current dietary approach very much utilizes Gironda’s protocols for diet (not to mention I tend to follow many of his recommendations for supplementation); yet, I consider myself an ADer.
The AD allows the formers protocol to be applied IF it works for your body in a certain period of time. Again, individual experimentation and adaptation. There isn’t one way folks, and the longer you remain on the AD and learn your body and needs, the more you find that the AD encompasses many different nutritional approaches.
And, I completely agree with Tiribulus: one needs to be fully fat-adapted and live the AD life long enough to learn your body before one makes changes. Think of the basic AD recommendations as a pattern to follow. When your body deviates, and it will, take note. Continue on. Continue to observe. Continue to learn your body. When you begin to see patterns develop in your body’s deviations over the months, then you can begin to adapt the AD, which the AD protocols completely encourage, if not tell you to expect, to better serve your body. But it takes time on the fixed pattern first. Make sense?
Anyhow, just my thoughts. [/quote]
Word. Excellently put.
Ever since I started the AD, I’ve been experiencing more Calf Cramps (usually in the early morning when I’m still sleeping). Has anyone else had this happen and if so, what can we do about it?
i’m on day 5, and i started getting some towards the end of the night. My only thought is that if they are bad enough, maybe supplement with some potassium.