My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Oh, no shame there!
That sounds like good and (almost) effortless progress to me…can’t beat that!
I suppose the ‘scale weight’ question was a bit ‘out of line’ anyway considering all that’s been said about pitching the scale altogether while on the AD (DH,IlCazz,Conorh et al).

I’m still tinkering with the AD -seeing where it might take me and how best to utilize it…kinda fun actually
:wink:

peace

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
While we’re being curious… :wink:
How much are you taking in (cal wise) during a typ carb-up?
-And how much are you losing (net) do you suppose?

I’ve been doing some manipulation -so I wouldn’t be a good study…but I would usually only add about 5-6lbs to my scale weight over a 18hr (+/-) carb-up.

peace

AlphaDragon wrote:
Just curious as to what everyone tends to gain in terms of weight after their carb ups.

For the past 2 weekends, I’ve been sitting on 5 extra pounds by Monday night (after carb up ends Sunday night).

It’s usually gone (and more) by Friday.

Hey, curiosity is good and appreciated on a thread such as this. :wink:

I’m not home enough over the weekends to count cals…I try to write them down, but always fall short of doing it all the way (although I’m spot on during the weekdays).

I’m maybe -1lb or thereabouts by friday, if not where I was before.

BUT…the mirror shows progress, the weightroom shows progress. WTH?[/quote]

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
toogoodlookin wrote:
Hey guys,

Just seeking some advice, i just completed a cutting phase with the AD with awesome results. I recently returned from holiday which was only for a week where i rested and went back to a typical north american diet.

I am currently back on the AD diet but for on a bulk phase and on day 5 of fat/protein no carbs.

I was wondering whether i need to complete the 12 days metabolic shift phase again ? I was planning to carb up this saturday which would make it 7-8 days ?
Would that be okay ?

Thanks

Far be it from me to suppose to know much, but:

How long were you on the AD before this 1 week gorge-fest? If you were on it for any substantial amount of time (I’d guess over 2 months, but maybe someone else knows better), it’s been suggested by the AD vets that it’s probably not necessary to do the 12 day break in period again.

That’s the best answer I can give ya…sorry.

AD[/quote]

Hey Alpha

I was on it for about 10 weeks and mangaed to get down to 7-8% BF.

So you thinks it ok to carb up this weekend “after 7 days of no carbs” ?

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Just curious as to what everyone tends to gain in terms of weight after their carb ups.

For the past 2 weekends, I’ve been sitting on 5 extra pounds by Monday night (after carb up ends Sunday night).

It’s usually gone (and more) by Friday.

[/quote]

I’m about the same only it usually peaks Sunday night and is gone by sometime Tuesday

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Far be it from me to suppose to know much, but:

How long were you on the AD before this 1 week gorge-fest? If you were on it for any substantial amount of time (I’d guess over 2 months, but maybe someone else knows better), it’s been suggested by the AD vets that it’s probably not necessary to do the 12 day break in period again.

That’s the best answer I can give ya…sorry.

AD[/quote]

For what it’s worth this is about what I was going to say. He should be OK with 7 or 8 days back on from what I’ve read also which is probably the same things you’ve read :-] . Only not from China.

yeah more personal experience I had a week where I couldnt lift so I basically said why should I eat good either and had a week with basically 4 HUGE CARB loads…then the next week back to AD eating, i was fine and energy was good so I did the load on the weekend…

so i’d say 7-8 days is fine from my experience with getting off and on, maybe just judge by if your fatigued and feeling like you were when you first made the switch to AD or feel like any other week on the AD

How much cabbage and broccoli is too much?
I feel like I’m not eating enough veggies to maintain health.

What are the nutritional values for cabbage and broc. including fibre?
if anyone knows off the top of their head.

Odd question:
I just started eating more cheese, pretty much eating about 3-4 ounces everyday as opposed to my previous ounce every other day. While I have also increased my calories about 500 per day, my face is a little puffy. And I suspect it is the dairy. I don’t seem to be gaining weight elsewhere, but my face just seems a bit swollen and puffy.

I understand that the majority of people have some issue with dairy products and I THINK this is one of the symptoms. Anyone else have this sort of effect?

[quote]toogoodlookin wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
toogoodlookin wrote:
Hey guys,

Just seeking some advice, i just completed a cutting phase with the AD with awesome results. I recently returned from holiday which was only for a week where i rested and went back to a typical north american diet.

I am currently back on the AD diet but for on a bulk phase and on day 5 of fat/protein no carbs.

I was wondering whether i need to complete the 12 days metabolic shift phase again ? I was planning to carb up this saturday which would make it 7-8 days ?
Would that be okay ?

Thanks

Far be it from me to suppose to know much, but:

How long were you on the AD before this 1 week gorge-fest? If you were on it for any substantial amount of time (I’d guess over 2 months, but maybe someone else knows better), it’s been suggested by the AD vets that it’s probably not necessary to do the 12 day break in period again.

That’s the best answer I can give ya…sorry.

AD

Hey Alpha

I was on it for about 10 weeks and mangaed to get down to 7-8% BF.

So you thinks it ok to carb up this weekend “after 7 days of no carbs” ?

[/quote]

I think Tirib said it too, and if so I’d like to “second” it. You should be fine with a “7 days of no carbs” because your metabolism has already had a decent amount of time to shift over.

But I’d still hesitate to do a mid week carb spike or any other deviations for a month or 2 more.

Keep us informed.

AD

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Odd question:
I just started eating more cheese, pretty much eating about 3-4 ounces everyday as opposed to my previous ounce every other day. While I have also increased my calories about 500 per day, my face is a little puffy. And I suspect it is the dairy. I don’t seem to be gaining weight elsewhere, but my face just seems a bit swollen and puffy.

I understand that the majority of people have some issue with dairy products and I THINK this is one of the symptoms. Anyone else have this sort of effect?[/quote]

I never got bloated in the face, but it definitely occurred in my gut.

I personally have taken cheese out while still getting plenty of whole eggs and red meat. I honestly feel better than when I was eating cheese (I was eating the same amount as you) and am still getting enough saturated fat.

That’s what’s great about this diet, you can suit it to your personal needs while still enjoying the benefits. Try replacing the cheese with more whole eggs, nuts, or olive oil and re-assess from there.

Zed

…have to second Zed here,
Cheese can play havoc -does for me :wink:
I do much better without it although the only ‘puffiness’ I’ve ever gotten, just as Zed said, was in my abdomen.

-And to the earlier poster asking about cabbage & broccoli…

Although they are both on the “free” list…The broccoli can be eaten more ‘freely’ than the cabbage IMO.
Cabbage has a lower fiber to carb ratio.

peace

[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Odd question:
I just started eating more cheese, pretty much eating about 3-4 ounces everyday as opposed to my previous ounce every other day. While I have also increased my calories about 500 per day, my face is a little puffy. And I suspect it is the dairy. I don’t seem to be gaining weight elsewhere, but my face just seems a bit swollen and puffy.

I understand that the majority of people have some issue with dairy products and I THINK this is one of the symptoms. Anyone else have this sort of effect?[/quote]

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
…But I’d still hesitate to do a mid week carb spike or any other deviations for a month or 2 more.

Keep us informed.

AD[/quote]

I would tend to go along with this as well. I’d also personally be hesitant about a mid week spike without trimming back on the weekend load a bit too. That is not based anything other than a hunch which in turn is based on whatever limited knowledge I’ve acquired since starting. I may be wrong about that.

Does anyone know of some good links to find all the nutrient breakdown of specific foods?

I’ve got the list from Dr.D’s web page but It doesn’t list fibre and sugar break downs for carbs.

any help will be greatly appreciated.

Do yourself a favor and open a free account at www.fitday.com
It’s an excellent way to trac your macros and it’ll answer your immediate question as well.

peace

[quote]UFpaul wrote:
Does anyone know of some good links to find all the nutrient breakdown of specific foods?

I’ve got the list from Dr.D’s web page but It doesn’t list fibre and sugar break downs for carbs.

any help will be greatly appreciated.[/quote]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
…But I’d still hesitate to do a mid week carb spike or any other deviations for a month or 2 more.

Keep us informed.

AD

I would tend to go along with this as well. I’d also personally be hesitant about a mid week spike without trimming back on the weekend load a bit too. That is not based anything other than a hunch which in turn is based on whatever limited knowledge I’ve acquired since starting. I may be wrong about that.[/quote]

Well, for what it’s worth, my experience agrees with your hunch.

I take my estimated total caloric needs for a refeed and break it apart. Approximately 60% on Sunday and 40% on Wednesday; my heavy days are at the beginning of the week, while the lighter days, or active recovery days, are at the back end of the week.

It works for me, right now. Bodies and demands change, and so must the nutrition and timing.

And here’s the usual caveat, everyone’s body is different. Experimentation is key on the AD, especially when you begin to make modifications.

[quote]UFpaul wrote:
Does anyone know of some good links to find all the nutrient breakdown of specific foods?

I’ve got the list from Dr.D’s web page but It doesn’t list fibre and sugar break downs for carbs.

any help will be greatly appreciated.[/quote]

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Thanks for all your all advice guys,

I have never used the mid week carb spike, is it a useful tool during bulking ?

hello all, just wondering, i’ve waded through most of the thread, but haven’t seen any before/after pics…anyone have them?

Hey all, today is day 1 for me, started at 230.5 @18.5% bf. Thanks for all the valuable info in this thread!

Hey everyone. Can anyone who does shakes for this diet list their recipes. I love making shakes but I’m finding that since I don’t need the protein from my casien/whey powder my shakes are coming out crappy and much less thick.

I’m using natty peanut butter, sugar free jello, a little heavy cream which doesn’t seem to be doing much…any thoughts on how to make it thicker?

Thanks

thanks for the quick help Pauli and vas.