[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
I said I wasn’t much of a fan of low carb diets like the Atkins diet.
This is more like a carb cycling diet with the high carb days.
With this kind of diet I wouldn’t of made comments until I tried it.
Are you doing this diet to bulk up a bit or lean out?
Or is it because you had diabetes?
Yeah,I’m looking to crash any day now.
Maybe this week.
The funny thing is I’ve been eating 29-30 carbs,not really 10 a day,so thats probably why it’s taking a bit longer.
Since this is gonna be my last week of the diet before the carb up,I’ll probably try hitting no more then 20 carbs a day.
I see, I guess I didn’t catch the details.
I started to get leaner, but since seeing it’s effects on me and listening to some of the vets here I’ve turned it into a bulk. I’m not letting myself get fat, but I want to get bigger and stronger so I just quit worrying about my abs for now.
I had my diabetes under control already when I started. DiPasquale was starting to publish AD flavored articles in one of the mags back when I got away from training the first time, can’t remember which one, but I remembered being intrigued then.
As far as the crash, it’s possible you won’t really. A couple guys way back in the thread said they didn’t, but most do. It wasn’t a big deal to me especially since I was expecting it.[/quote]
Nice to hear.
Are you putting on as much fat as you thought you would from bulking,or still getting somewhat lean?
I usually bulk up during the winter,but this year with the holidays and everything I’d like to be a little leaner.
I’m starting to get leaner already,so if this keeps up I’ll probably use this to bulk up a bit too.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make when starting the AD is as they switch over to the diet they don’t eat enough fat during their first or second week.
This probably has made it easier switching to the diet for me.
First carb-up day completed… I woke up this morning looking THICK. Yikes, I’m looking good. The “glycogenation” is just ridiculous.
I have used all the advice ya’ll have given me: I hit the oatmeal with some peanut butter (fuck is that tasty, btw), whole grain pancakes with butter, and a couple bean and cheese burritos. This morning I have had two bagels with cream cheese. Damn. Feel great.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Nice to hear.
Are you putting on as much fat as you thought you would from bulking,or still getting somewhat lean?
I usually bulk up during the winter,but this year with the holidays and everything I’d like to be a little leaner.
I’m starting to get leaner already,so if this keeps up I’ll probably use this to bulk up a bit too.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make when starting the AD is as they switch over to the diet they don’t eat enough fat during their first or second week.
This probably has made it easier switching to the diet for me.
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Like I say I started looking to get leaner and slowly did for several weeks and then leveled off. It was right about then that I started to notice the strength and growth increases. Instead of dropping the calories in an attempt to get leaner I just left intake about the same.
Now I’m not getting any leaner or fatter. I’m just nursing my way past this injury so I can hit it hard again. I don’t know if I’m actually bulking, I’m just not cutting. I have a feeling when I can go heavy again I may have to actually increase intake a bit.
You’re probably right about some people not gettting enough fat at first. It’s so counterintuitive to every single thing we’re being beaten over the head with all the time in the media. My first breakfast almost gave me the willies. 6 whole eggs, bacon, regular cheese? It was blind faith in what I’d read here and a preexisting lack of faith in the medical establishment that even got me started.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
vasudeva wrote:
I’ve had better results with R-ALA.
I would tend to agree with vasudeva. Approximately 200 mg 15 minutes prior to CHO meal time works best.
Cheers,
Sasha
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Thanks guys,
I’m going to try n grab some this week. I should only need it on carb days. Being a type2 diabetic my glucose levels can creep a bit higher than I’d like. Not bad, but could be better.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
First carb-up day completed… I woke up this morning looking THICK. Yikes, I’m looking good. The “glycogenation” is just ridiculous.
I have used all the advice ya’ll have given me: I hit the oatmeal with some peanut butter (fuck is that tasty, btw), whole grain pancakes with butter, and a couple bean and cheese burritos. This morning I have had two bagels with cream cheese. Damn. Feel great.[/quote]
Speaking of glycogenation. I haven’t seen any direct data on this, but I get 3 or 4 grams of creatine a few times a day during the carb loads on the theory that the creatine will ride the wave into the muscles as well. May be wrong, but shouldn’t hurt either.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
Nice to hear.
Are you putting on as much fat as you thought you would from bulking,or still getting somewhat lean?
I usually bulk up during the winter,but this year with the holidays and everything I’d like to be a little leaner.
I’m starting to get leaner already,so if this keeps up I’ll probably use this to bulk up a bit too.
I think one of the biggest mistakes people make when starting the AD is as they switch over to the diet they don’t eat enough fat during their first or second week.
This probably has made it easier switching to the diet for me.
Like I say I started looking to get leaner and slowly did for several weeks and then leveled off. It was right about then that I started to notice the strength and growth increases. Instead of dropping the calories in an attempt to get leaner I just left intake about the same.
Now I’m not getting any leaner or fatter. I’m just nursing my way past this injury so I can hit it hard again. I don’t know if I’m actually bulking, I’m just not cutting. I have a feeling when I can go heavy again I may have to actually increase intake a bit.
You’re probably right about some people not gettting enough fat at first. It’s so counterintuitive to every single thing we’re being beaten over the head with all the time in the media. My first breakfast almost gave me the willies. 6 whole eggs, bacon, regular cheese? It was blind faith in what I’d read here and a preexisting lack of faith in the medical establishment that even got me started.[/quote]
Right on.
I myself had six eggs,chicken/salsa w/ some raw cheese and some peanut butter for breakfast.
I agree.
Knowledge is power,but the medical establishment won’t ever admit it’s mistakes because they’re the PHD’s and PHD’s are never wrong.
I’m going to workout now.
I’ll let you know if I got stronger from last week,when I already packed on 25 pounds on my bench press.
Hope you get better from your injury.
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
But the only problem now is that my carbups are gonna consist of fruit and maybe a lil bit oatmeal or something. kinda bland but thats ok cuz the meats makes up for it over the week.[/quote]
I just caught this. Make sure your carbups are carb loads though man, meaning you’re better off overdoing for a while until you know where you’re at. Not enough and your workouts will suffer among other things. Like Sasha says “don’t fear the cho up”.
Carb-loading is definitely an interesting experience. At first, eating the carbs is just kind of weird, almost like I preferred the low-carb eating. My hunger was pretty controlled the first day. But as today came around, I found myself hungrier and hungrier, stopping the carb-load at around 5:30 when I just had this feeling that I was done…
I was starting to feel as Tribulus put it “round”. lol I understand what you mean, Trib. You just start to feel puffy. When I woke up this morning, I was looking awesome, full, dry… as of now, I’m definitely water-logged and up a solid 7 pounds from Friday afternoon.
I should be dropping the water by Tuesday, no? I stuck to oatmeal, whole grain pancakes, 2 bean and cheese burritos, fruit, peanut butter, olive oil, butter, and fish oil. Carb have never tasted sweeter or better, btw. Anyone else feel hungrier on the 2nd day of the load?
Woops, had a couple bagels with cream cheese in there, too. I don’t think I have ever appreciated a bagel and cream cheese like these before. I agree with one of the earlier posters, having fat with the carbs makes everything a lot more fun.
Hey everyone. I’ve had a little scare today. How many calories you all at on this during a standard phase? I counted today and i’m on 3225, 236g protein, 257g fat. I’m FFB and want to cut a little, for a few weeks, do energy systems stuff etc, and i reread the ‘cutting’ part of the ebook (pp.46 for me). DiPasquale talks about “if you were on 6000kcals”. This is just for a 17stone+ bodybuilder right? I’m only 13 stone. I’m cool right? did i do my maths ok?
Another thing, due to advice from youse i’m not going to drink except 1-2 times a month, on Saturday. Cheers
I’ve just finished a carb load “just saturday” as im going on way on holiday on the thursday and currently doing my final phase of training on my cutting routine which is a full deleption workout for 4 days. This means that i would have finished by wednesday.
I extremely happy with the condition i’m in "8-9%"at the moment and happy that my cut is going to end. Do you think it would be okay to load on thursday ? “which would mean that i have only been training 4 days instead of 5” and while on holiday i will be sticking to no carbs and just protein fat meals. Would that be okay ?
[quote]toogoodlookin wrote:
Has any one got any advice for me,
I’ve just finished a carb load “just saturday” as im going on way on holiday on the thursday and currently doing my final phase of training on my cutting routine which is a full deleption workout for 4 days. This means that i would have finished by wednesday.
I extremely happy with the condition i’m in "8-9%"at the moment and happy that my cut is going to end. Do you think it would be okay to load on thursday ? “which would mean that i have only been training 4 days instead of 5” and while on holiday i will be sticking to no carbs and just protein fat meals. Would that be okay ?
Thanks
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TGL,
You should be fine as it takes approximately 3 full days at sub 30 grams of carbs to deplete your glycogen stores. Given that you’ll be performing depletion workouts for 4 days, which seems a little extreme in my opinion, you will be fine for your carb load during your holiday that starts on the Thursday.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
toogoodlookin wrote:
Has any one got any advice for me,
I’ve just finished a carb load “just saturday” as im going on way on holiday on the thursday and currently doing my final phase of training on my cutting routine which is a full deleption workout for 4 days. This means that i would have finished by wednesday.
I extremely happy with the condition i’m in "8-9%"at the moment and happy that my cut is going to end. Do you think it would be okay to load on thursday ? “which would mean that i have only been training 4 days instead of 5” and while on holiday i will be sticking to no carbs and just protein fat meals. Would that be okay ?
Thanks
TGL,
You should be fine as it takes approximately 3 full days at sub 30 grams of carbs to deplete your glycogen stores. Given that you’ll be performing depletion workouts for 4 days, which seems a little extreme in my opinion, you will be fine for your carb load during your holiday that starts on the Thursday.
Holy shit has that carb-load treated my body well. I have dropped all the water weight and I’m looking fuller and leaner than ever. I’m going to get a bf% check in two weeks, but I’m noticeably leaner now than two weeks ago. Very pleased.
I’m on Day 4 of my metabolic-shift phase. I have fairly good energy despite the lack of carbs, but two things concern me:
Sleep has been tough going on this diet. Stress is normal but for some reason I’ll fall asleep normally, then wake up around 4:00 a.m. or so and just have tons of difficulty failling asleep. I also have trouble in that my sleep seems to be very shallow. Is this a normal part of the transition? If so, will it pass?
I tend to feel somewhat nauseous at times. Is this due to the fact that my body is not used to the high levels of fat in the gut? Again, is this normal, and if so, will it too pass?
Other than the above two issues, I could be on this diet for the rest of my life.
I’m on Day 4 of my metabolic-shift phase. I have fairly good energy despite the lack of carbs, but two things concern me:
Sleep has been tough going on this diet. Stress is normal but for some reason I’ll fall asleep normally, then wake up around 4:00 a.m. or so and just have tons of difficulty failling asleep. I also have trouble in that my sleep seems to be very shallow. Is this a normal part of the transition? If so, will it pass?
I tend to feel somewhat nauseous at times. Is this due to the fact that my body is not used to the high levels of fat in the gut? Again, is this normal, and if so, will it too pass?
Other than the above two issues, I could be on this diet for the rest of my life. [/quote]
Welcome to the AD express:
I too had some problems, but for me it was primarily due to excessive caffeine intake. Caffeine becomes more potent on this diet. Avoid any stimulants after 4pm then you should be ok…that was difficult for me because I love green tea, but have found alternatives.
I didn’t have this problem, but I can only assume it is part of the adaptation process. Sorry I can’t help on this one.
A lot of the goodies you all get “back West” are not available to me (Westerner working in China). So when a friend visited me and brought some goodies…I was ecstatic.
But, of course, they cause a problem for AD’ers.
For exampble, he brought 2 types of protein bars (name will not be mentioned here…PM me if you want tot know…mostly out of respect for this site).
The problem with these protein bars is that the carbs are too high for the non-carb up days (31g and 38g respectively)…and perhaps the protein content is too high for the carb up days (26g and 20g respectively.
Now, the one that has 31g of CHO has a “net carbs” symbol that says: “For those watching their carbs, count 12g toward your daily allowance.” THis would be perfect as I’m a little short of cash for the next few days and this will be a great PWO snack.
Most days, I have about 15 CHO and 15 not used, so this would be ok.
Do you guys/gals think I should count it as the 12g that the label suggests or as the 31? How about 1 or 2 on the weekends (although I’m concerned about too much protein from them during the carb ups).
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
I’d rather edit my last post but I want to say this before I forget:
The label specifically says: “For those watching their carbs, count 12g toward your daily allowance.”
then is a little smaller font:
“The remaining carbs have a lesser and minimal effect on blood sugar.”
Then it also has 4g of fiber…so I suppose technically it’s only 27g CHO…or is it 8g CHO??
Hope this is clear enough.
thanks
AD[/quote]
Sasha I’m sure would know better, but if it was me I’d be less concerned about the extra protein on carb days than the extra carbs on weekdays. I’m guessing what the label means is that the carbs that are not fiber that are also not as much of a concern for low carbers are low GI.
Just a guess, but if true are still carbs.
However a couple a week here and there you wouldn’t think is going to put you in a tailspin because some guys have carb spikes during the week anyway. A bunch of conjecture and probably most of which you already thought of.