Thanks danny…hey anyone got opinions on the best type of protein supp. I’m talking brand…obviously MRP Locarb (Doc D’s) but what about cheaper alternatives?
[quote]BuddaBill wrote:
Let me begin by giving props to Tribulus and Sasha for picking up where Disc Hoss and Il Cazzo left off. Those are mighty big shoes. But you wear them well. And let us not forget praise for Alpha Dragon for his triumphant return to the AD. Great Stuff all!
I have intentionally waited to post until I read the entire thread so I feel like I know some of the Vets. So here’s where we’re at…My wife and I have been on the AD for 7 weeks. I am down to 281 from 305 and she has lost an amazing 22 lbs. (163 to 141) This is a wonderful LIFESTYLE and I look forward to contributing what I can to the thread.
Two quick questions before I go:
What does FFB stand for?
If bacon has 2g of Sat. Fat per serving what kind is the remainder? (poly, mono?)
Peace [/quote]
First’ welcome aboard,
I do appreciate this friend, but I am decidedly not in Disc Hoss, Ilcazzo or Sasha’s shoes. I’d like to think my contributions are worthy, but these guys are advanced well beyond where I’ll be for quite a while yet.
FFB = former fat boy/body.
Here http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21ug.html is the lowdown on bacon
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
I have a carb-up for this Sat, but I wanted to get some clarification: DiPasquale says we should stop carbing it when we smooth out… should I literally be using the mirror as a guide… or will there be kind of a bloated feeling that suggests I should stop?.. or is there something even more estoeric like just some feeling of “yep, I’m done”? Sounds pretty dynamic to me…[/quote]
Like Alphadragon said I can also pretty much tell when I’m done. It’s tough to put your finger on, but I just start to feel kinda “round” as I grope around for the word. I also routinely gain 6-10 pounds in that time which is usually gone by Mon. evening/Tues. morning.
It may take a little while to develop this sense. If that’s the case for you, I’d just load sensibly from Sat. morning through Sun. evening for awhile until you do
[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Good luck with ur ribs tribs[/quote]
Thanks man, they are healing up faster than I read they should or expected. It’s been REALLY tough goin easy. The impulse is to think you can take the pain and push a little harder. Better judgement has been prevailing though as I imagine how it would be to pop the damn thing loose again.
[quote]OMC wrote:
Thanks danny…hey anyone got opinions on the best type of protein supp. I’m talking brand…obviously MRP Locarb (Doc D’s) but what about cheaper alternatives?
[/quote]
This diet is very protein sparing, meaning it’s forgiving in the amount you need because of the way it almost excludes protein from the energy production business freeing it up to build muscle. It also is by it’s very nature unusally high in protein, a splendid state of affairs.
The point is I, accordingly, don’t use that much supplemental protein. Pre/peri workout drink = a scoop of whey (30g protein) a tablespoon of EVOO, a couple fish oil caps and multi vitamin/ mineral in water.
PWO = same thing except for an added tablespoon of black strap molasses and 5 grams of creatine. Black strap molasses has 13g simple carbs, b vtamins, a bit of iron, a decent bit of calcium and a jolt of potassium with a dash of sodium.
I throw a half a scoop of whey in a half cup of cottage cheese before bed.
I also toss a couple scoops in the morning cho load oatmeal on the weekends.
That’s it. I get boatloads of protein in the meat, fish, eggs, cheese and chicken I eat everyday.
Seen in that light you don’t need the cheapest whey around because it lasts longer, hence 5 pounds of Grow! Whey for 30 clams may be more affordable than it seems at first glance.
OMC wrote:
Thanks danny…hey anyone got opinions on the best type of protein supp. I’m talking brand…obviously MRP Locarb (Doc D’s) but what about cheaper alternatives?
Not necessarily cheaper, but Isopure (Van) has 25g PRO 0g FAT 0g CHO per scoop. Digests very quickly on its own so cut it w/ heavy cream and/or EVOO.
Peace
[quote]Bizmark wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
allNatural wrote:
ovalpline wrote:
Incredible thread, first off.
I just started the diet last Monday and suffered through the first week, generally feeling tired and “off”. I’m using the diet mainly in terms of fat loss for right now. I’ve been at 7% for some time as a sticking point and would love to see myself at 5% and holding. I’ve realized that I’m going to need to go low-carb after following Berardi’s principles for the past year, especially after reading his Get Shredded Diet. A simple low-carb search led me here and I figured I’d give this so-called Anabolic Diet a try. I bought the e-book and I’ve been referencing it ever since. The incredible sense of energy and well-being finally hit me on Sunday and as I enter this 2nd week, I’m very much so looking forward to the feeling of a carb-load this upcoming weekend. I hear the feeling is amazing. So to recap: 6 rough days and then a monumental turn-around. Hopefully it’s all downhill as Dr. DiPasquale has said and the AD vets claim.
- Stu
You’re at 7% and you’re trying to cut? Am I misreading this?
You read it correctly. I’m cutting mostly out of intrigue: I want to know how I look and what I feel like at 5%. Kind of a vain reason, really. I’ve just never been that low and I hear being absolutely shredded feels incredible. From there, I’ll probably resume my normal strength pursuits.
Your right ovalpline, it does feel absolutely incredible to be that cut. I got to about 5% over the summer using this diet and I was estatic. My abs were flawless and everytime I went to the gym I was getting compliments on how cut I was. Then… something horrible happened. I did a carbup and I couldn’t get off it. Day after day I just ate carbs and some proteins. I went from 185lbs (I am also 6 foot 5 inches tall)
to 200lbs in about 3 weeks. I ate absolute shit and I felt sooooooo horrible. The problem was that I was doing good carbups before, but then I did a carbup where I was eating chocolate and ice cream… that absolutely killed me. I just recently got back on the diet after collecting myself and I feel great like I did. But I wish I had never done what I did. But now I’ve learned and I know exactly what to do for myself while on this diet. Just test it out and I’m sure you’ll be happy.[/quote]
Don’t try eating shitty carbs on your carb ups because a lot of the processed junk food have MSG in them,which increases your appetite.
This too could be a reason why you couldn’t put the junk food down after the first serving.
[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Don’t try eating shitty carbs on your carb ups because a lot of the processed junk food have MSG in them,which increases your appetite.
This too could be a reason why you couldn’t put the junk food down after the first serving.[/quote]
Some people can get away with it, I cannot. My carb loads are very clean. I might get a bag of blue corn tortilla chips (blue corn, safflower oil and salt), but that’s it. I have no desire for sweets as long as I don’t touch em.
BTW, Cthulu,
I know you get some shit sometimes for being a bit of an alarmist and I must say you have me scratchin my head too here and there, but you’re a good guy. I also know you’re not much of a fan of this type of diet, but you had the decency to offer advice without saying so here. Good manners, seriously.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
it does feel absolutely incredible to be that cut. I got to about 5% over the summer using this diet …I went from 185lbs (I am also 6 foot 5 inches tall)
to 200lbs in about 3 weeks.[/quote]
Dude, I don’t know else to put this, but it hurts me just hear you say this.
Vasudeva,
I’ve read some of your earlier posts regarding calorie cycling on the AD and have a question:
For your mid-week calorie spike, do you keep the percentages Doc D. suggests or keep protein fairly low and really push the fats? My spike will be on Tuesday since I load from Friday afternoon to Saturday night, so I’ll be taking in 4500 calories that day. The two options I came up with were to (A)have 300 grams of fat with about 425 grams of protein or (B)put protein at about 250 grams and just make up the difference in fats.
I am a little more partial to option (B) just because this diet is so protein sparing, but I’m open to any advice you might offer.
Thanks in Advance,
Zac
what would any experienced ADers suggest for a highschool wrestler. theres obviously a whole lotta endurance. i feel fine during practices and everything and ive been on for around 3-4months. is there anything i should be carfeul or more critical upon?
[quote]zed962 wrote:
Vasudeva,
I’ve read some of your earlier posts regarding calorie cycling on the AD and have a question:
For your mid-week calorie spike, do you keep the percentages Doc D. suggests or keep protein fairly low and really push the fats? My spike will be on Tuesday since I load from Friday afternoon to Saturday night, so I’ll be taking in 4500 calories that day. The two options I came up with were to (A)have 300 grams of fat with about 425 grams of protein or (B)put protein at about 250 grams and just make up the difference in fats.
I am a little more partial to option (B) just because this diet is so protein sparing, but I’m open to any advice you might offer.
Thanks in Advance,
Zac[/quote]
Of those 2 I’d go with B as well. You are talking about a whole day right? Usually a spike is a single meal though.
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
what would any experienced ADers suggest for a highschool wrestler. theres obviously a whole lotta endurance. i feel fine during practices and everything and ive been on for around 3-4months. is there anything i should be carfeul or more critical upon?[/quote]
I’m no expert, but wrestling is very anerobic as well, meaning it burns glycogen. You’re going to want to make sure you’re not depleted going into a meet. You may want to stagger your cho load days if necessary and possible actually.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
BTW, Cthulu,
I know you get some shit sometimes for being a bit of an alarmist and I must say you have me scratchin my head too here and there, but you’re a good guy. I also know you’re not much of a fan of this type of diet, but you had the decency to offer advice without saying so here. Good manners, seriously.[/quote]
I actually started this diet a week ago,when I finished bulking.
I’m not really fat or anything,just want to lean out a bit after a long bulk.
Strength has gone through the roof,which is kind of weird since it’s been a little over a week now.
Yeah,I admit that some of the people on here get to me with the unfounded,ignorant comments they sometimes make,but after all the people on here who do know what they’re doing and do what they do kind of balances it out.
Thanks Tribulus.
I’m happy you’re not one of “those guys”.
I’d just like to chime in on this great thread, i started it in summer when i was lifting and loved the way of eating and lifestyle, i adapted rather easily. Then came soccer season
and i had my doubts if i could stay on, but energy i tried it and energy was great! I really feel my enduarnce is enhanced and I don’t feel my spriting is affected negatively at all. I realize for some it depends, but I would say energy is much better with the diet even for sporting/edurance purposes. Also i really don’t notice too much of i differnce in the weight i can push monday right after a load, or friday completety depleted. THE AD RULES!!!
Suggestions needed:
I’m going to shoot for 450 carbs on saturday and sunday from oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and brown rice… buuuuut, I was wondering what I should accompany each meal with… I’ve read Disc Hoss saying repeatedly that the carb-load is a protein-controlled time… with that in mind, I really don’t know what else to eat with my carbs. I know I’m a rookie and I shouldn’t be focusing on fine-tuning, I just feel so in the dark.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
zed962 wrote:
Vasudeva,
I’ve read some of your earlier posts regarding calorie cycling on the AD and have a question:
For your mid-week calorie spike, do you keep the percentages Doc D. suggests or keep protein fairly low and really push the fats? My spike will be on Tuesday since I load from Friday afternoon to Saturday night, so I’ll be taking in 4500 calories that day. The two options I came up with were to (A)have 300 grams of fat with about 425 grams of protein or (B)put protein at about 250 grams and just make up the difference in fats.
I am a little more partial to option (B) just because this diet is so protein sparing, but I’m open to any advice you might offer.
Thanks in Advance,
Zac
Of those 2 I’d go with B as well. You are talking about a whole day right? Usually a spike is a single meal though.[/quote]
Thanks for the input, Trib. Yes, I did mean for the whole day; sorry about the confusion.
Personally, I don’t think the extra protein will really do anything positive for me. If anything, the fat load on Tuesday will really supercharge the fat-burning on Wednesday and Thursday due to the extreme drop in fat intake.
Carb-load starts after I train tomorrow afternoon. A good chunk of my weekly calories are being placed during the load. Should be a good time. And, before anyone warns me, treats will be the exception and not the rule. I learned that the hard way during my first run on the AD. 
Zac
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Suggestions needed:
I’m going to shoot for 450 carbs on saturday and sunday from oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and brown rice… buuuuut, I was wondering what I should accompany each meal with… I’ve read Disc Hoss saying repeatedly that the carb-load is a protein-controlled time… with that in mind, I really don’t know what else to eat with my carbs. I know I’m a rookie and I shouldn’t be focusing on fine-tuning, I just feel so in the dark.[/quote]
Make sure you get some fats during the load, as well. Some peanut butter in your oatmeal or on your bagel, a little butter and sour cream on your baked potato, you get the idea.
Personally, I don’t focus too much on utilizing solid protein sources or supplements during the loads. The incidentals do add up. However, I do have a scoop of whey or a few eggs with breakfast and then have a solid protein source at dinner (i.e. a cheeseburger or steak). This strategy gives me just enough protein without overdoing it.
Experiment a bit and adjust when needed. Remember, when starting out, focus on the essentials of the diet. As you get that down, your experiences help you to dial it in even more after a few months of focusing on the basics.
Zac
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
Suggestions needed:
I’m going to shoot for 450 carbs on saturday and sunday from oatmeal, sweet potatoes, and brown rice… buuuuut, I was wondering what I should accompany each meal with… I’ve read Disc Hoss saying repeatedly that the carb-load is a protein-controlled time… with that in mind, I really don’t know what else to eat with my carbs. I know I’m a rookie and I shouldn’t be focusing on fine-tuning, I just feel so in the dark.[/quote]
Ya for oatmeal peanut butter, banana and 100% pure cocoa with splenda rock.
Or apples and oats or berries and oats with heavy whipping cream.
or to get fat in the load i like some cheese on my spaghetti with an olive oil sauce.
Getting to have fat in your load makes it so much more fun than some other loads that completely avoid fat.