My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yes, this is inevitable. You really can’t blame most people I suppose. From their point of view the “experts” whose word you should be able to trust are telling them the diametric opposite of what you are.

I’ve been sifting through the stuff here: THINCS/The Cholesterol Myths - some astonishing facts lately. The bald truth is that pharmaceutical companies fund the vast majority of research and it is decidedly not in their interest to publish findings that render their drugs less necessary. It’s not so much that the studies are usually done incorrectly, though they sometimes are, but the interpretaions of the results border on the outright fantastic at times.

These folks www.lowcarb.ca/ keep up on the news really well. These should help get you some info.

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

Yeah, I get a lot weird stares when I bust out bunless ground beef burgers and cheese at lunch. It sucks that I have to defend myself when questioned. I don’t tell them I’m on the AD, as that would bring up more questions which I don’t feel like answering.

I basically say I’m on an “All meat and vegetable(leafy) diet”, with weekend carb-loads which is pretty close to what the AD is. I also have many telling me that I’ll have a heart attack any day now because of all the saturated fat I eat. Meanwhile, they drink sodas and eat refined chips. Oh well, I guess this is inevitible when you go against the established order.

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Hoooly poo.

I think my blodd pressure just rose about 10%.

Whenever any body tries to dis your nutrition or the AD or low carb do one of a few things:

A) point of some garbage that they are eating (eg. chips, soda/pop/juice, bread) and say “wow, great food choices for you [jackass], did you know that bread, rice and that cake you are eating all act as pure sugar in your system, causing huge insulin spikes, giving you diabetes in no time.”

B) ingestion of cholestorol has next to shit all to do with blood cholestorol levels. Being a lazy shitbag does though.

C) The AD can actually opimize your blood lipids taking them from shit to good. your body hoards what you don’t give it. If you don’t give it fat/cholestorol thenit will harbor that shit.

D) point out how fat they are in comp to you. [this one may not be socially acceptable]

E) check out DH’s article finds in this thread.

F) low fat BS is crap from the ninteys that is giving people heart attacks and diabetes today.

Good to see you are all doing well and this thread is humming like hell. If they say you are going to have a heart attack anytime soon then tell them that that is your intent so that you don’t have to live in their presence any longer.

Also if anyone asks you why youa re eating something ask them why they are eating what they are eating. just cause you break the norm doesn’t mean that you have to justify yourself.

-chris

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[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Hoooly poo.

I think my blodd pressure just rose about 10%.

Whenever any body tries to dis your nutrition or the AD or low carb do one of a few things:

-chris[/quote]

I don’t like to even talk nutrition with friends. Most are either brainwashed by the food pyramid or are ignorant altogether. I just shrug it off and go about my day. I also don’t like to make a scene or make myself seem condescending in terms of what I eat.

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yeah, it is really hard for me to keep my composure and not come off like a jerk when I explain concepts to my friends and others. I try to do it as little as possible unless they ask me direct questions.

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Average people aren’t ready to hear anything about nutrition until some talk or news show said it was ok. I had to run over to my old building to drop off some equipment the other day and ex boss saw me and said “man you look terrific, what the hell have you been eatin?” When I told him bacon, whole scrambled eggs, tons of beef and cheese he just kind of stood there smiling waiting for the punchline. I told him I was serious and he all, but called me a liar. It is true too that the most disgusting triple dimpled fatass will always seem to be the leading expert in the group whenever something like this comes up.

–Tiribulus->

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Sunday’s marcos:

   grams   	cals  	%total

Total: 3923
Fat: 105 941 26%
Sat: 25 224 6%
Poly: 12 105 3%
Mono: 38 338 9%
Carbs: 549 1847 50%
Fiber: 88 0 0%
Protein: 222 888 24%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

Too much protein? Not enough carbs? Too little fat?

I’m a little unsure. I ate hardly any meat today, so a lot of the protein is from grains. Also, my last two meals had no protein source at all(I was laggin behind on the carbs, so I decided to go carb/fat for the rest of the night). Did I do something wrong?

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[quote]abcd1234 wrote:
Sunday’s marcos:

   grams   	cals  	%total

Total: 3923
Fat: 105 941 26%
Sat: 25 224 6%
Poly: 12 105 3%
Mono: 38 338 9%
Carbs: 549 1847 50%
Fiber: 88 0 0%
Protein: 222 888 24%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

Too much protein? Not enough carbs? Too little fat?

I’m a little unsure. I ate hardly any meat today, so a lot of the protein is from grains. Also, my last two meals had no protein source at all(I was laggin behind on the carbs, so I decided to go carb/fat for the rest of the night). Did I do something wrong? [/quote]

I’m no expert, but I’ll try:

I’m assuming this was for the weekend carb-up.

General rule…try for about 800g of carbs for the total for the whole carb load.

Your protein is WAY to high (should be 10-15%).

Too little fat (should be 30-40%)

All of this is on page 30 of the AD book, in case you were wondering. I use that page every time I need to check it out. :wink:

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
abcd1234 wrote:
Sunday’s marcos:

   grams   	cals  	%total

Total: 3923
Fat: 105 941 26%
Sat: 25 224 6%
Poly: 12 105 3%
Mono: 38 338 9%
Carbs: 549 1847 50%
Fiber: 88 0 0%
Protein: 222 888 24%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

Too much protein? Not enough carbs? Too little fat?

I’m a little unsure. I ate hardly any meat today, so a lot of the protein is from grains. Also, my last two meals had no protein source at all(I was laggin behind on the carbs, so I decided to go carb/fat for the rest of the night). Did I do something wrong?

I’m no expert, but I’ll try:

I’m assuming this was for the weekend carb-up.

General rule…try for about 800g of carbs (helps reach 45-60%).

Your protein is WAY to high (should be 10-15%).

Too little fat (should be 30-40%)

All of this is on page 30 of the AD book, in case you were wondering. I use that page every time I need to check it out. ;)[/quote]

So basically, I fucked up the carbup? Figures.

I calculated that if I cut out all the meat that I ate today(which was just a can of salmon and a turkey burger), I would still be at 17%. This is a difficult balancing act.

Ah well, next weekend is another opportunity to refine it…

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you are not reall “fucked” it just wasn’t ideal for a carb up. Now you can make adjustments for next week. It takes practice like anything. I would just let your protein on your carbup come from incidental stuff for the most part. I have only one (maybe) real serving of meat the whole day (I only do saturday). You should be fine, but just make some adjustments.

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[quote]msundi83 wrote:
you are not reall “fucked” it just wasn’t ideal for a carb up. Now you can make adjustments for next week. It takes practice like anything. I would just let your protein on your carbup come from incidental stuff for the most part. I have only one (maybe) real serving of meat the whole day (I only do saturday). You should be fine, but just make some adjustments.[/quote]

I’m not real clear on the consequences of getting too much protein on the carb load. I read somewhere that keeping it low is supposed to make you more susceptible to uptake when you resume. Is there more to it than that? What if you workout during the load? I don’t rememeber thses specific things being discussed.
Thanks,

–Tiribulus->

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the only thing i remember is that if you go easy on the protein during the load you might uptake more later. don’t really know if that’s true or not. i just keep it low so that I have more room for carbs. i don’t workout on carb ups but if i did i would definately have my meal after that contain carbs.

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abcd1234,

Don’t worry about it is my suggestion, but try to do better. As was pointed out, make your protein incidental. I personally get my protein from the food I eat (High carb), and the weight gainer I drink on the weekend carb up.

I mean, I’m still dialing this in. I’m trying to get 4500/day (when I start that class, I’m going to try for 5000/day on class days), and even as I’m typing this, I’m sitting at 65% fat for the day (5% too much and I’m trying to figure a way to lower it without going over the carb limit…currently at 26 carbs for today).

anyone have any ideas for a low carb/low fat protein source? The only thing I can think of it a protein shake…but I can only have one more or els go over the carb limit…sheesh…

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[quote]msundi83 wrote:
the only thing i remember is that if you go easy on the protein during the load you might uptake more later. don’t really know if that’s true or not. i just keep it low so that I have more room for carbs. i don’t workout on carb ups but if i did i would definately have my meal after that contain carbs.[/quote]

Thanks, On further reflection it seems I remember seeing something about gluconeogenesis where aminos are converted to glucose which would be a process you certainly wouldn’t want to take hold, but you would think with carbs flooding your system that wouldn’t be a problem to any worrisome degree.

–Tiribulus->

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
msundi83 wrote:
you are not reall “fucked” it just wasn’t ideal for a carb up. Now you can make adjustments for next week. It takes practice like anything. I would just let your protein on your carbup come from incidental stuff for the most part. I have only one (maybe) real serving of meat the whole day (I only do saturday). You should be fine, but just make some adjustments.

I’m not real clear on the consequences of getting too much protein on the carb load. I read somewhere that keeping it low is supposed to make you more susceptible to uptake when you resume. Is there more to it than that? What if you workout during the load? I don’t rememeber thses specific things being discussed.
Thanks,

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

The “problem” with taking in lots of protein is that the more protein you take in, the more likely you are to “waste” it through gluconeogenesis. The idea is you don’t want to take in less then you need, or more. You want to hit the sweetspot.

I’m of the opinion that the AD, specifically the anti-inflammatory fats and the emphasis on fat for fuel are protein sparing and you didn’t go nuts with protein intake. I don’t think going over a gram per pound of lbm is going to do anything for you if the rest of your diet is locked on.

That’s just my $.02 though. Now, if I could just get locked on myself…

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:

I mean, I’m still dialing this in. I’m trying to get 4500/day (when I start that class, I’m going to try for 5000/day on class days), and even as I’m typing this, I’m sitting at 65% fat for the day (5% too much and I’m trying to figure a way to lower it without going over the carb limit…currently at 26 carbs for today).

anyone have any ideas for a low carb/low fat protein source? The only thing I can think of it a protein shake…but I can only have one more or els go over the carb limit…sheesh…

[/quote]

Chicken breast would fit that bill, but, and this is just the off the cuff musings of someone with about the same experience as you, you may be whipping yourself a bit hard over a few grams of macros here and there. I can’t imagine a physiological swith being thrown to launch you down the road to ruin if you miss by a few percentage points. Dr. D says in the book too that you should stay within the mechanics, but some leeway won’t hurt. He mentions some guys going up to 40g a day for cho and down to 40% for fat and being fine. Not saying that’s what you should do necessarily, but if you’re really stressing yourself over this that may be more detrimental than not nailing the percentages right on the head.

I’m going to say this as an example of exactly what not to do and it’s been beaten to death for training in general and rightly so. I have kept no log at all since starting except in my head and I’m doing more than fine. I am working on starting though and would never even suggest that that is the way to go. I only mention it to illustrate that even without surgical precision my progress is commencing fine. I do keep very close mental track of EVERYTHING and the times I’ve sat down with fitday to check up on myself I’m quite close to ON with the AD principles so I don’t mean to imply a cavelier attitude is ok. Just that I’m sure I don’t get it exactly right every single day, but I’m close and I’m having no issues beyond normal adjustments. It’s been nagging me though and I’m definitely going to start keeping written track soon. It’s just that things are going well and human nature is to not do something un-fun until you have to.

–Tiribulus->

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Toast + Honey + Cheese = heavenly carbup. :slight_smile:

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I’ll tell ya one thing, this diet is getting me strong as hell compared to the “balanced” diet I was eating before. Great leg workout today. No doubt in my mind that this way of eating has accelerated my progress. This has to be a powerlifter’s dream, though I’m not one. I’m hitting my stride now with it and it’s got me really looking forward to every workout. I bet it’ll get even better, only been a month. I’m having more fun all the time :smiley:

–Tiribulus->

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Average people aren’t ready to hear anything about nutrition until some talk or news show said it was ok. I had to run over to my old building to drop off some equipment the other day and ex boss saw me and said “man you look terrific, what the hell have you been eatin?” When I told him bacon, whole scrambled eggs, tons of beef and cheese he just kind of stood there smiling waiting for the punchline. I told him I was serious and he all, but called me a liar. It is true too that the most disgusting triple dimpled fatass will always seem to be the leading expert in the group whenever something like this comes up.

–Tiribulus->[/quote]

I’d have to agree with you on that.

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After reading CT’s article here:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956

I’m looking at my AD plan so far (yes I’m bulking).

Now, can anyone explain why the AD has such a high level of cals/day for bulkers?

I was under the impression that fat gain on the AD would be minimalized because of using fat as the primary fuel source…

But I look at the chart CT used toward the end of the article, and I see that I"m eating almost double the cals on the AD than he suggests. Maybe the AD for bulkers (bodyweight+15%)x(20 to 25)) should actually be: [(bodywieght-bodyfat)+15%]x(20 to 25)??

(Sorry about the math formula being wrong, I’m not a MAth teacher…lol.)

Regardless, the 2nd formula would be a difference of cals that could range from a few hundred and potentially into 1000(+)

Of course, we all want a minimal amount of fat on our bodies (whether bulking or, more obviously, cutting or losing weight), and this is why I’m concerned about this topic.

Does anyone have any input?

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
After reading CT’s article here:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956

I’m looking at my AD plan so far (yes I’m bulking).

Now, can anyone explain why the AD has such a high level of cals/day for bulkers?

I was under the impression that fat gain on the AD would be minimalized because of using fat as the primary fuel source…

But I look at the chart CT used toward the end of the article, and I see that I"m eating almost double the cals on the AD than he suggests. Maybe the AD for bulkers (bodyweight+15%)x(20 to 25)) should actually be: [(bodywieght-bodyfat)+15%]x(20 to 25)??

(Sorry about the math formula being wrong, I’m not a MAth teacher…lol.)

Regardless, the 2nd formula would be a difference of cals that could range from a few hundred and potentially into 1000(+)

Of course, we all want a minimal amount of fat on our bodies (whether bulking or, more obviously, cutting or losing weight), and this is why I’m concerned about this topic.

Does anyone have any input?[/quote]

I’m glad you brought that up, i have been using CT’s formula for cutting at the moment and having great success with bf levels.

I am planning to use CT’s formula for my bulking regime as well, at the end of the day if its not enough you can bump it up 300-500 increments till your statified with the results. That way you wont put any excess BF but if you start to high its not like you can undo the BF gain.

Thats just my opinon, might be wrong