bino,
Thanks for the info on the 12-day break in period. Does the Anabolic Solution book contain more useful tidbits like this, enough to make it worth buying in addition to the Anabolic Diet book? What are your thoughts.
Wow, 12 pages! (Too much for me to read.)
This is an old CKD. It has worked for many people. However, I would suggest looking at Bodyopus or The Ketogenic Diet for more updated versions of such a diet.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Your best day for training with big numbers will be within a day or two of the load. Toward the end of the week, use heavy loads still (none of that marathon Dan Duchaine glycogen depletion) as this is fine when your stores are lower. High reps drain the glycogen much faster.
DH[/quote]
DH,
I want to make sure I understand your training recommendations. You believe that higher rep workouts right after the carb load are best (ex. sets of 8 reps) and heavier, low rep sets (ex. sets of 3) are best towards the end of the week right before the next carb up. Is this correct?
Thank you.
- reddman
Hey AD Men!
You guys are tearin’ it up. Good work, Hoss and Cazzo told you it would be worth it and it is. Sometimes this diet is amazing. Just on Saturday I bumped my work weight on the bench 40 lbs. I’m coming off bicep/elbow surgery this past April so my right arm was the size of a Girl Scouts and the AD has helped me back to respectable size and strength. That workout on Saturday was fueled by Sonic chocolate shakes and frosted flakes. Sometimes a sugar surge is just what you need. Amazing pump and, like I said, strength through the roof. How did your workouts go after the first load? There are a few of you in that stage right now.
Barry
Did strongman on Sunday. I’m not real happy with how it went. I pooped out on the farmers again. My weakest event. I flipped the tire six times instead of five on my second set. We did zercher deads 135x5 225x5 250x4 275x2 300x1. Never done zercher deads before and my back is burning! We then did 200lb 300lb and 345lb carry for about 50 yards. This is done in a manner in which you squeez the weight to your chest as if you were rowing it. My back is screaming today! Did some forearm stuff then since my right hand keeps giving during the farmers. I will get better in that event.
August 13th is the competition in Las Vegas NM. This morning I had 6 eggs and 5 pieces of bacon for the first meal and I just had 6 pieces sausage second meal. Trying to eat more…
[quote]Jeff Rage wrote:
Wow, 12 pages! (Too much for me to read.)
This is an old CKD. It has worked for many people. However, I would suggest looking at Bodyopus or The Ketogenic Diet for more updated versions of such a diet.[/quote]
Actually, the diet has been updated since Bodyopus came out. Although, there’s not much to update…it’s pretty simple. Especially for people who don’t want to get up 6 times in the middle of the night to eat carbs.
Thanks Hoss.
[quote]Jeff Rage wrote:
Wow, 12 pages! (Too much for me to read.)
This is an old CKD. It has worked for many people. However, I would suggest looking at Bodyopus or The Ketogenic Diet for more updated versions of such a diet.[/quote]
Honestly you may want to find a different thread if you are going to argue for BodyOpus. I don’t think anyone on this thread will bother arguing and if you read all 12 pages you’ll find the diets you mentioned have been discussed and thrown out of our minds as being options. Not being a dick but this is a thread about the AD and how to implement it. Not an arguement for a “better” diet.
Thanks for taking care of that mdragon, I was trying to come up with something, but no need to now!
This marks the one week point, day 8 of the diet for me. So far no crashes or anything. I was actually kind of buzzed this morning, and rode my bike to work in 10 minutes instead of my usual 15. I’ve been super strict about my carbs, even counting the ones in my coffee.
My suprailiac measurements this weekend revealed a 2mm decrease in my skinfold there, so that was a nice surprise. I think this brings me down to 8-9% BF, a roughly 1 or 2% decrease since starting the diet.
I’m anticipating a “crash” sometime this week, just not sure when. I plan on eating the “clean” carbs I’ve been missing this weekend, e.g. oat bran, berries, fruits, sweet potato, carrots, etc.
Am I the only one that feels jacked up when I cut out carbs? Is it some sort of adrenergic response? I swear, especially at first, it feels like I’m taking caffeine tabs.
I like it.
[quote]conorh wrote:
Am I the only one that feels jacked up when I cut out carbs? Is it some sort of adrenergic response? I swear, especially at first, it feels like I’m taking caffeine tabs.
I like it.[/quote]
I felt very energized until day 9.
[quote]Charles Atlas wrote:
Thanks for taking care of that mdragon, I was trying to come up with something, but no need to now!
This marks the one week point, day 8 of the diet for me. So far no crashes or anything. I was actually kind of buzzed this morning, and rode my bike to work in 10 minutes instead of my usual 15. I’ve been super strict about my carbs, even counting the ones in my coffee.
My suprailiac measurements this weekend revealed a 2mm decrease in my skinfold there, so that was a nice surprise. I think this brings me down to 8-9% BF, a roughly 1 or 2% decrease since starting the diet.
I’m anticipating a “crash” sometime this week, just not sure when. I plan on eating the “clean” carbs I’ve been missing this weekend, e.g. oat bran, berries, fruits, sweet potato, carrots, etc.[/quote]
No problem.
Hey man if you crash tone the training down. Just my 2 cents. I picked 4 exercises squat, dead, bench and rows and did 135lbs for 3 sets of 10 after my crash. I did this 2 days and then after my carb up I hit it hard again.
Today is day 3 for me. I am experiencing quite a bit of GI distress. The nausea makes it a bit harder to eat all I should. Any of you vets have advice here? Somebody tell me this doesn’t last too long.
[quote]mdragon wrote:
No problem.
Hey man if you crash tone the training down. Just my 2 cents. I picked 4 exercises squat, dead, bench and rows and did 135lbs for 3 sets of 10 after my crash. I did this 2 days and then after my carb up I hit it hard again.[/quote]
Thanks mdragon, that’s a good idea. Day nine huh? That’d be…tommorow, hmmm. I’ll get myself ready! I started ABBH again today, last time the first week was pretty light so I was planning on doing that this week. If I feel like I can’t complete it, I may give your suggestion a shot, thanks!
Had a dynamite time in the gym today, bit too many people for my liking, but whatchagonnado? Weighed in, and I was at 162, a seven lb change from last Wednesday. Kind of surprising, seeming as how my BF% went down by one or two percent over the weekend.
I’m still loving this diet, might not be singing the same tune tommorow though!
conorh,
It has that effect on me too (so far only 3 days). In fact, my caffeine doesn’t even give me the usual buzz - I guess because I’m already wired up from low carbs.
[quote]conorh wrote:
Am I the only one that feels jacked up when I cut out carbs? Is it some sort of adrenergic response? I swear, especially at first, it feels like I’m taking caffeine tabs.
I like it.[/quote]
[quote]Arctos wrote:
Today is day 3 for me. I am experiencing quite a bit of GI distress. The nausea makes it a bit harder to eat all I should. Any of you vets have advice here? Somebody tell me this doesn’t last too long.[/quote]
No advice but that is interesting 'cause I have less gas than usual on this diet. Are you getting a different amount of fiber on this diet? Having a lot more or a lot less can really jack you up for awhile. I’m not a vet but I know these things to be true.
Along with CA i’m on day 8 of this mutha. Lovin it so far. I did start to get really cramped up all over. I had to increase my water intake by a bit. Caught a wicked hamstring cramp last night doing a little co-ed cardio. That sucked big time. I’m not sure if I made the switch yet. I did have a few days at the end of last week that were really quite dragging, now i’m pretty good. I’m even waking up regularly maybe even a little better than before. Either that or it’s the calm before the storm. I hope not because I have a pretty big golf tournament on thursday and if I crash before or during that it will suck.
Also, miller lite has only 3.2 carbs per 12.0 oz I have adopted that as my beer of choice when necessary but my limit is 3 in one day so I can still get around 20 G or so of spinach and celery.
I have also noticed a slight reduction in body fat via visible examination of my abs. Only down about 6 lbs, figure that is mostly water.
V
{edited for too many V’s)
Though the AD is “older” chronologically, the AD is far better than BO or Lyle’s work. Dr. D has updated his stuff in the Anabolic Solution and in the strict version of the Metabolic Diet (some variations and compromises in a general population type package). Duchaine, while being cool in his day, is not on par to any level with DiPas. Lyle always focused on ketones and never quite understood the real conversion process. He left you in purgatory with his explanations.
The strict version of the Metabolic Diet is the AD which is the AS. The AD is the original that was a running start for bodybuilders and weightlifters to put this gem into action. A practical application for mass, maintenance, and cutting. The straight dope and nothing else. Then the MD came along so that Doc D could appeal to the ladies and the general public. It also allows for the minority of people who do best with some timed CHO, to see how to do so. This had all the references and was to be a why/how to for the medical community and the general populus.
The AS is again geared toward the muscle heads. The AS adds a few little additions but mostly includes the timed use of Doc’s supplement line. They are high quality but they are pricey. They are not necessary either, so DON’T get hung up on it.
Synopsis for those with ADHD:
The AD is the original. Just fine.
The MD is the fully referenced work.
The AS is the AD with some inconsequential extras.
Due to the AD’s reputation as the “high fat diet”, DiPas had to make an appeal to the academic and practical communities with a softer title and the “proof” they would want. Hence the Metabolic Diet.
The AD or the AS are interchangable, so if you want the AD, it is on CD-ROM with the original video presentation.
The AS can be obtained in print or ebook format.
So…there’s the scoop.
Don’t assume because something is newer or published later that it is an improvement. Doc D is the man and this is his baby. He alone has the professional and competitive proof to back himself up. Ducahine never did achieve much, and YES I do like Dan alot. I’m just being honest. Lyle was always smallish and has a bachelor’s degree vs. Doc’s MD and a biochem degree too. Plus Doc was a PL champion who put this to use to show that it worked beyond the “wall” of a book.
Please reread the 2 interviews and the 2 trial runs by Shugart on T-Nation listed above.
Best,
DH
[quote]Jeff Rage wrote:
Wow, 12 pages! (Too much for me to read.)
This is an old CKD. It has worked for many people. However, I would suggest looking at Bodyopus or The Ketogenic Diet for more updated versions of such a diet.[/quote]
Reddman,
Not really an issue overall. Seriously. But if you are hitting traditionally “high” reps then don’t feel that you need to put them before the carb load. You’ll most likely do better with lower reps when glycogen is low toward the end of the week. Most of us on here are probably spending the majority of our time at 12 reps or fewer. Overall. Soon I’ll try to take a few popular workouts and give an idea of how they might be optimized with the AD. Nothing Earth shattering.
I was really trying to quell any thoughts about the necessity of Dan Duchaine’s marathon workout on Friday before the load. BUT this is something fun to play with. I’ve done that too and was fine with it. Just NOT a necessity. What you may want to do is use a total body (nowhere near failure) active recovery workout on Friday if you want to experience this. Duchaine suggested heavy two day training after the load and then the high rep marathon. NO need to order your training like this.
Heavy training should be utilized regardless of diet for a majority of the time. Say 12 reps and under. Higher reps are fine a la Waterbury’s TBT, QD, or TTT. Just don’t camp on them, as Waterbury always preaches.
Best,
DH
V,
I should point out (and you probably already know) that even though you are keeping your CHO lower with certain beers and liquors, you are still majorly “whacking” on your T levels. Also, the alcohol will be utilized as an energy substrate that will not allow the AD to be optimized. BUT on the other hand you’ll still do far better on the AD than on a traditional diet w/alcohol. So while you are going to do better, you’d do best with limiting the consumption of buzz juice as much as possible.
But, bro, that’s your call and I just wanted you to know the full impact one way or the other.
Best,
DH
If I were you, I’d seriously consider supplementing Calcium D-Glucarate to offset the E stimulation/T suppression of your drinking. “M” is just what you 'd need to help with this. Will it completely offset this? Don’t know. I’d talk to Cy about it, if you are interested.