Started today but had to modify the calorie count down from x18. Too much money for my limited income at this point.
I guess I’m a fast responder, I’ve been pissing like a race horse all day.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
For the people that say their waist is getting larger:
What type of foods do you eat? I swear sausage and bacon are the things that made my waist bigger.
Also, lots of spinach and celery are essential (organic if you get it).
3 cups of organic spinach yeilds 7g of fiber. Sounds like a lot, but you can eat 3 cups at a sitting.
I use oils for my fat and I’m losing weight at a pretty good rate, plus, I eat over 3,000 calories.
BTW, I don’t have the type of body that can lose fat that easily. I’ve been able to gain fat pretty easily in the past.
House,
As mentioned, I was eating all the right foods including nuts, oils, salmon, chicken, seeds etc. The one food that may have been pushing it was cheese.
I must admit that I didn’t moderate the caloric intake as much because of the mention that higher calories were needed on this style of diet. I have started doing so as of today and will keep everyone posted on the results.
Cheers for the info though.
Sasha
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Sounds good 
Mother fucker, already been sabotaged. My family decided my crystal light wasn’t sweet enough so they added sugar to the drink.
Had never had the Rasberry Lemonade kind so I’m thinking “this shit tastes good”. Turns out my grandma put about a quarter cup of sugar into the pitcher thinking it was her pink lemonade.
One of the problems with foods like Bacon and Sausage is the insane amount of sodium they have…combine that with some canned tuna, and you are either gonna be dehydrated or bloated, depending on your water intake.
Don’t mean to hijack here but I had 1 question. I was wondering if the Anabolic Diet is able to be used long term, such as indefinitely. Or if it needs to be used for a few months, then switched out.
I know of a guy at my gym that was in ketosis for 4 months and just fell apart(not sure exactly what diet he was on). I will be starting the diet next monday and would appreciate any feedback.
Overrev
[quote]Overrev wrote:
Don’t mean to hijack here but I had 1 question. I was wondering if the Anabolic Diet is able to be used long term, such as indefinitely. Or if it needs to be used for a few months, then switched out.
I know of a guy at my gym that was in ketosis for 4 months and just fell apart(not sure exactly what diet he was on). I will be starting the diet next monday and would appreciate any feedback.
Overrev[/quote]
Overrev,
A couple things of note on the AD.
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This is more of a lifestyle than a diet. What we’re looking to do with this diet is change the way our body fuels itself. Tradionally, we’re CHO burners. By moving into a fat burning state, hence the 12 day induction, we’re able to tap into an energy source that we all have in abundance (through diet and fat stores). With that in mind, we don’t want this to be a limited time thing so we continue to eat like this and build a lifestyle around the 5 day high fat/protein/low carb, 2 day CHO load . . . which brings me to the next point, ketosis.
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As is mention quite a bit in this thread and Dr. D’s book, ketosis is NOT the goal. We want to move through ketosis to a consistent fat burning state. We do that through the 12 day induction. We then manipulate CHO levels through the weekend loads and maximize our body’s hormonal potential. You can also play around with your CHO levels in the week once you’ve made the transition.
All in all, if done right, you will not wither away into nothing and you should be able to keep this lifestyle up without much issue. Hell, there are guys that have been eating this way for a decade.
Hope this helps.
Sasha
[quote]SashaG wrote:
All in all, if done right, you will not wither away into nothing and you should be able to keep this lifestyle up without much issue. Hell, there are guys that have been eating this way for a decade.
Hope this helps.
Sasha
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I wouldn’t ever want to go back to a high carb diet. Even though I seem to sweat more, I just don’t like feeling so full that my stomach is going to burst all the time. On my days off (the weekend), that is when I get my carb fix. LOL. Then, I can’t wait to get back on the diet.
hello guys iam ravfiraj from india while on the ad i wnet through a bout of food posioning …but iam fine now …ofcourse it happened when i was on my carb load day but now 2 weeks gone iam in my ad lifestlye …sasha did helped me that time with his nice suggestions i was taking no-explode 1 seving which had 9gms of carbs in it but this week i have taken that out too …this week i changed my routine juist to see what happens iam training 3 days in row with weighst then take 2 days off and reapt the same routine for 3 days again first 3 days are 6 sest of 6 resp …and the nest 3 days are 4 sets of 12 reps …when i started ad i was …93 kgs …now iam 85 and on carb days iam 87 strenght gains are not mindblwoing but not bad either…i dont do any cardio …as i had read a artciles from ellington darden that …cardio can actually halt the progress infact i will try and add that at the last stages as my goal is to get to 8 to 10% body fat right now …iam losing weight and hopefully fat …so iam not adding any cardio food is minced beef and beef fta minced and barbequed , chicken , chesse, flaxseed powder olive oil homemade butter, alomonds and peanuts and goat meat once in a week i do eat goat brain , liver,instestines fried in butter and post workout optimum whey 1 and half scoop …and optimum casein prtoen in the night any suggestions and advice are welcome plsssssssss thanking u in advance and all the best for every 1 -raviraj from india
Thank you Sasha. I’m not very familiar with the ins and outs of the “ketogenic diet”. I just wanted to make sure that the anabolic diet wasn’t a ketogenic style diet. I’m all for eating like this indefinitely.
Again thank you all for the info and suggestions.
Overrev
I used the anabolic diet several years ago, back when the first article appeared on Testosterone. I followed the diet for approximately a year and a half with fantastic results. In fact, my results were so good that several friend/coworkers decided to use it too.
Well, long story short, I stopped using the AD, and I can’t really remember specifically why, although I think getting heavily involved with steroids and basically being able to eat whatever the hell I wanted probably played a big part.
Fastforward to today. I’m 30, married with a kid, and very involved in my career. Been off the juice for not quite 2 years. Still carry a respectable physique at 6’2" 240 pounds and I’d estimate 12% bf (visible upper abs, but with a little layer of fat on the lower abs and small love-handles ; very lean arms and legs) Strength still close to,but not quite what it was when I was “on”.
Reading Thib’s recent experimenting with higher fat and carb spiking every couple days kind of renewed my interest in the AD and its principles. So I start reading this thread, and decide to give it ago again. I’ve been on the diet for 12 days now and I just wanted to share my experiences/observations so far:
The hormonal benefits of this diet CANNOT be denied! I did not use steroids for the past several years, I HEAVILY ABUSED them. My first entire year off my body was a wreck, hormonally. Sperm count 0 (thats right,complete azoospermia),absolutely NO libido. And when I would force myself to occasionally have sex with my wife it wasn’t much to remember. I think its important to point out that, during the first 8 -10 months off I was utilizing several popular/accepted PCT protocols using various drugs (clomid, nolva, arimidex, HCG, proviron, etc., atc.). While these measures did seem have some benefit for me in terms of muscle retention, it certainly wasn’t helping with the other problems. Now this past year i have slowly returned to normal (no PCT during this year though). My sperm count has slowly krept up to the low normal range, and my libido has returned to about 30% of what it use to be.
I’ve been back on this diet for 12 days. My libido has returned 100%,energy level is sky high, mood and confidence haven’t been this good in a long time, and I haven’t felt this good, since, well since I was “on”. Do I think this diet has steroid like effects? No, of course not. Do I think this diet absolutely maximizes natural hormone production. YES.
I think you guys may have found another AD “lifer” here. I’m looking forward to contributing to this thread.
[quote]terp wrote:
I used the anabolic diet several years ago, back when the first article appeared on Testosterone. I followed the diet for approximately a year and a half with fantastic results. In fact, my results were so good that several friend/coworkers decided to use it too.
Well, long story short, I stopped using the AD, and I can’t really remember specifically why, although I think getting heavily involved with steroids and basically being able to eat whatever the hell I wanted probably played a big part.
Fastforward to today. I’m 30, married with a kid, and very involved in my career. Been off the juice for not quite 2 years. Still carry a respectable physique at 6’2" 240 pounds and I’d estimate 12% bf (visible upper abs, but with a little layer of fat on the lower abs and small love-handles ; very lean arms and legs) Strength still close to,but not quite what it was when I was “on”.
Reading Thib’s recent experimenting with higher fat and carb spiking every couple days kind of renewed my interest in the AD and its principles. So I start reading this thread, and decide to give it ago again. I’ve been on the diet for 12 days now and I just wanted to share my experiences/observations so far:
The hormonal benefits of this diet CANNOT be denied! I did not use steroids for the past several years, I HEAVILY ABUSED them. My first entire year off my body was a wreck, hormonally. Sperm count 0 (thats right,complete azoospermia),absolutely NO libido. And when I would force myself to occasionally have sex with my wife it wasn’t much to remember. I think its important to point out that, during the first 8 -10 months off I was utilizing several popular/accepted PCT protocols using various drugs (clomid, nolva, arimidex, HCG, proviron, etc., atc.). While these measures did seem have some benefit for me in terms of muscle retention, it certainly wasn’t helping with the other problems. Now this past year i have slowly returned to normal (no PCT during this year though). My sperm count has slowly krept up to the low normal range, and my libido has returned to about 30% of what it use to be.
I’ve been back on this diet for 12 days. My libido has returned 100%,energy level is sky high, mood and confidence haven’t been this good in a long time, and I haven’t felt this good, since, well since I was “on”. Do I think this diet has steroid like effects? No, of course not. Do I think this diet absolutely maximizes natural hormone production. YES.
I think you guys may have found another AD “lifer” here. I’m looking forward to contributing to this thread.
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Good post, man. Thanks for sharing the story with us.
BTW, does anyone ever sweat more often now? Or is it just me?
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
BTW, does anyone ever sweat more often now? Or is it just me?[/quote]
I seem to get a huge adrenergic response when I cut out carbs and I sweat like a hog.
This, combined with a couple caps a day of HOT-ROX Extreme and I’m pretty much moist continuously.
[quote]terp wrote:
I used the anabolic diet several years ago, back when the first article appeared on Testosterone. I followed the diet for approximately a year and a half with fantastic results. In fact, my results were so good that several friend/coworkers decided to use it too.
Well, long story short, I stopped using the AD, and I can’t really remember specifically why, although I think getting heavily involved with steroids and basically being able to eat whatever the hell I wanted probably played a big part.
Fastforward to today. I’m 30, married with a kid, and very involved in my career. Been off the juice for not quite 2 years. Still carry a respectable physique at 6’2" 240 pounds and I’d estimate 12% bf (visible upper abs, but with a little layer of fat on the lower abs and small love-handles ; very lean arms and legs) Strength still close to,but not quite what it was when I was “on”.
Reading Thib’s recent experimenting with higher fat and carb spiking every couple days kind of renewed my interest in the AD and its principles. So I start reading this thread, and decide to give it ago again. I’ve been on the diet for 12 days now and I just wanted to share my experiences/observations so far:
The hormonal benefits of this diet CANNOT be denied! I did not use steroids for the past several years, I HEAVILY ABUSED them. My first entire year off my body was a wreck, hormonally. Sperm count 0 (thats right,complete azoospermia),absolutely NO libido. And when I would force myself to occasionally have sex with my wife it wasn’t much to remember. I think its important to point out that, during the first 8 -10 months off I was utilizing several popular/accepted PCT protocols using various drugs (clomid, nolva, arimidex, HCG, proviron, etc., atc.). While these measures did seem have some benefit for me in terms of muscle retention, it certainly wasn’t helping with the other problems. Now this past year i have slowly returned to normal (no PCT during this year though). My sperm count has slowly krept up to the low normal range, and my libido has returned to about 30% of what it use to be.
I’ve been back on this diet for 12 days. My libido has returned 100%,energy level is sky high, mood and confidence haven’t been this good in a long time, and I haven’t felt this good, since, well since I was “on”. Do I think this diet has steroid like effects? No, of course not. Do I think this diet absolutely maximizes natural hormone production. YES.
I think you guys may have found another AD “lifer” here. I’m looking forward to contributing to this thread.
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I (and hopefully the whole thread) thank you a lot.
I currently plateaued with my progress and i needed a spike.
Besides, your opinion is extremely valuable because I think no-one else could verify the hormonal effects of the AD except for the person who’s been in both ends of the spectrum.
Thanks again and keep in touch.
[quote]HouseOfAtlas wrote:
BTW, does anyone ever sweat more often now? Or is it just me?[/quote]
Yeah I piss and sweat alot. I sweat just typing.
[quote]conorh wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
BTW, does anyone ever sweat more often now? Or is it just me?
I seem to get a huge adrenergic response when I cut out carbs and I sweat like a hog.
This, combined with a couple caps a day of HOT-ROX Extreme and I’m pretty much moist continuously.[/quote]
How are you liking the HOT-ROX extreme? I’m not a big fat loss supplement guy, but I do like to use them at specific times during the year. The report on this stuff looks good, but how are you liking it so far?
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
conorh wrote:
HouseOfAtlas wrote:
BTW, does anyone ever sweat more often now? Or is it just me?
I seem to get a huge adrenergic response when I cut out carbs and I sweat like a hog.
This, combined with a couple caps a day of HOT-ROX Extreme and I’m pretty much moist continuously.
How are you liking the HOT-ROX Extreme? I’m not a big fat loss supplement guy, but I do like to use them at specific times during the year. The report on this stuff looks good, but how are you liking it so far?
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I like it alot, if for nothing else then the strong stimulant effect. I’m a pretty experienced stimulant user and I find 1 cap is pretty much all I need. I do that twice a day and that second one puts me just on the verge of overstimulation. The anoretic effect is pretty strong too.
As far as fat loss, I can’t really say as I’ve only been using it a little while. I’ll let y’all know in a few weeks when the bottle’s gone.
The one thing I think is promising about the HOT-ROX formula is that if the A7E does in fact help replenish oxaloacetate, then it would be perfect for AD’ers because that’s the intermediate that folks will tell you that you need carbohydrates to replenish. “Fat burns in a carbohydrate fire” they’ll say.
At any rate, I like using it from a subjective standpoint and it should help in theory. I’ll let you guys know when I have anything more concrete to say about it.
I have a recipe I just cooked up. Bear in mind I’m a pretty craptastic cook and I don’t even have a real crockpot, but a rice cooker (Three speeds, off, piss warm and boil the shit out of everything.), so if I can cook, you can too.
two artichokes
1/2 cup of white wine, preferably a pinot grigio (only cook with wine suitable for drinking, buy the way. I used a Francis Coppola 2005, which was cheap and worked fine)
1/3-1/2 cup cream
1/2 cup water
1 clove garlic or to taste
i small bunch green onions, mostly green tops or to taste
small amount of pulverized almonds or almond meal
Combine in a crock pot or stew pot, pouring the wine over the artichokes and letting it run over. You can put a small pad of butter on top of each artichoke before covering if you like. You can also add a few whole almonds here. Simmer covered until petals are tender. Remove artichokes and add almond meal and/or water to desired consistency. This is the “sauce”.
I suggest serving with a chicken breast over a bed of the petals, with the heart on top of the breast and the heart on top then drizzle the whole thing with the left over sauce. Truth be known, only one of my artichokes made it to the plate, as I ate the other one right out of the cooker.
Hope y’all find that useful.
Excellent point, IC. That is why I stress over and over that the principle of the AD is the key. You must each find foods that agree/disagree with your individualities. High sodium always messes with me. Of course, so does low sodium.
DH
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
One of the problems with foods like Bacon and Sausage is the insane amount of sodium they have…combine that with some canned tuna, and you are either gonna be dehydrated or bloated, depending on your water intake.[/quote]
Great post. Welcome aboard.
best,
DH
[quote]terp wrote:
I used the anabolic diet several years ago, back when the first article appeared on Testosterone. I followed the diet for approximately a year and a half with fantastic results. In fact, my results were so good that several friend/coworkers decided to use it too.
Well, long story short, I stopped using the AD, and I can’t really remember specifically why, although I think getting heavily involved with steroids and basically being able to eat whatever the hell I wanted probably played a big part.
Fastforward to today. I’m 30, married with a kid, and very involved in my career. Been off the juice for not quite 2 years. Still carry a respectable physique at 6’2" 240 pounds and I’d estimate 12% bf (visible upper abs, but with a little layer of fat on the lower abs and small love-handles ; very lean arms and legs) Strength still close to,but not quite what it was when I was “on”.
Reading Thib’s recent experimenting with higher fat and carb spiking every couple days kind of renewed my interest in the AD and its principles. So I start reading this thread, and decide to give it ago again. I’ve been on the diet for 12 days now and I just wanted to share my experiences/observations so far:
The hormonal benefits of this diet CANNOT be denied! I did not use steroids for the past several years, I HEAVILY ABUSED them. My first entire year off my body was a wreck, hormonally. Sperm count 0 (thats right,complete azoospermia),absolutely NO libido. And when I would force myself to occasionally have sex with my wife it wasn’t much to remember. I think its important to point out that, during the first 8 -10 months off I was utilizing several popular/accepted PCT protocols using various drugs (clomid, nolva, arimidex, HCG, proviron, etc., atc.). While these measures did seem have some benefit for me in terms of muscle retention, it certainly wasn’t helping with the other problems. Now this past year i have slowly returned to normal (no PCT during this year though). My sperm count has slowly krept up to the low normal range, and my libido has returned to about 30% of what it use to be.
I’ve been back on this diet for 12 days. My libido has returned 100%,energy level is sky high, mood and confidence haven’t been this good in a long time, and I haven’t felt this good, since, well since I was “on”. Do I think this diet has steroid like effects? No, of course not. Do I think this diet absolutely maximizes natural hormone production. YES.
I think you guys may have found another AD “lifer” here. I’m looking forward to contributing to this thread.
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Been on the AD far the break in plus 3 cycles now and I love it. no carb crashes plus consistent energy for wrestling, strength and BJJ workouts is hot. Olive oil is my new oat meal. I used to use oat meal for the energy to engage in glorious battle but now i just take a shot of olive oil.
I’m trying to use the AD to cut fat for an upcoming tournement. The best part is I am essentially removed from going out for food on week days because tere is nothing that doesn’t have too many CHO in it that I would eat when out. So my adherence is strict as, CHO only for fiber now. Go chicken wings in CHO free buffalo wing sauce.
I sorta go nuts on my carb ups but I think i’m going to kep it 90% cool unitl I compete. I read the WHOLE thread (don’t make fun) and would like to thank everyone esp DH, IC et al for their info and help. AD forever!
-chris