Ok. I am going to get a little geeky on you guys. Here is a question for you other engineers (and anyone else who can answer it for that matter).
The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass cannot be created or destroyed (physics 101). So, if I weigh myself before I go to bed, and then weigh myself immediately after waking in the morning, I will weigh less in the morning, this is coming from my own experimentation. This is without using the bathroom or eating anything inbetween. Also, no sweat inducing activies (well, sometimes haha), but lets assume all other things equal.
Where the F&*K does the mass go? Is it some slow evaporation of water from your skin overnight? Some type of mass transport on a molecular level or something?
I mean, I know your body is burning fatty acids for energy (or at least from my minimal knowledge thats what I think), but that is just energy, which has its own seperate laws.
Just some outside advice, I wouldn’t worry much about scale weight. The mirror/pictures are way better at tracking progress. I have been the same weight since starting the diet but two pictures from only 3.5 weeks apart tell me I am definitely dropping body fat. That is good enough for me.
But like you said, the best way to weigh yourself would be an at home scale in the morning on an empty stomach. I weigh myself every Friday morning on an empty stomach which is the most accurate way I can think of, since it is so far away from my last CHO up.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Ok. I am going to get a little geeky on you guys. Here is a question for you other engineers (and anyone else who can answer it for that matter).
The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass cannot be created or destroyed (physics 101). So, if I weigh myself before I go to bed, and then weigh myself immediately after waking in the morning, I will weigh less in the morning, this is coming from my own experimentation. This is without using the bathroom or eating anything inbetween. Also, no sweat inducing activies (well, sometimes haha), but lets assume all other things equal.
Where the F&*K does the mass go? Is it some slow evaporation of water from your skin overnight? Some type of mass transport on a molecular level or something?
I mean, I know your body is burning fatty acids for energy (or at least from my minimal knowledge thats what I think), but that is just energy, which has its own seperate laws.
What happens to the damn mass???
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Can’t answer your question but remember, mass and weight are two different things. Mass is just the occupation of space. You can have the same mass weigh 100 lbs on Earth but when taken to the moon (not sure what the conversion is) it will WEIGH much less.
But in all honesty, this is the AD thread buddy lol. Let’s start another thread if you wanna get into some other stuff
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Ok. I am going to get a little geeky on you guys. Here is a question for you other engineers (and anyone else who can answer it for that matter).
The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass cannot be created or destroyed (physics 101). So, if I weigh myself before I go to bed, and then weigh myself immediately after waking in the morning, I will weigh less in the morning, this is coming from my own experimentation. This is without using the bathroom or eating anything inbetween. Also, no sweat inducing activies (well, sometimes haha), but lets assume all other things equal.
Where the F&*K does the mass go? Is it some slow evaporation of water from your skin overnight? Some type of mass transport on a molecular level or something?
I mean, I know your body is burning fatty acids for energy (or at least from my minimal knowledge thats what I think), but that is just energy, which has its own seperate laws.
What happens to the damn mass???
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I know we need to stay on topic, but I believe your body loses its energy in the form of heat. Afterall, the food we eat is made up of calories (a measurement of heat).
On a completely different note, my wife roped me into going out to my favorite pizza buffet place tomorrow night. I can never seem to resist their deliciousness, I will try to eat very very clean all day pre-buffet for my one day refeed tomorrow as I am trying to recomp a bit. My bodyweight has maintained around 210-215 pretty nicely the last night and I do think I am cutting a little fat while adding muscle. Hooray for damage control.
so i hear about people drinking beer on carb days, and i also like to drink on these days (friday night). but i don’t like drinking beer very much, i’m more of a whiskey kind of guy. i dont drink all that much, i’d say 3-5 shots and i’m good, not looking to get hammered or anything. i like to eat my healthy carbs during the evening, til i get to about 2600 total calories for the day, including the food before carb up starts, then save the last several hundred for drinks (my cals get bumped up a bit on carb days, nothing crazy though). is the alcohol alright, or does this severely hinder the diet? i know my fat burning won’t be as efficient during the night due to the acetate production, but i’m willing to sacrifice a bit of that to have some fun and reward myself for the week as long as its not totally blowing the diet.
The majority of the weight you lose in the middle of the night is sweated out through your glands. I can't say I know the specifics of it, but I do know that it is one cause. Your body also is maintaining body temperature without anything being "inputted" if you will so I would think that it will also lead to energy lost. During my induction phase on the AD, I had one night where I woke up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat; I had to switch pillows it was so bad. I think normally it just happens at a slower rate so you don't notice it. Needless to say I dropped like 6 lbs that night. Not very scientific or supported with mathematics I know.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Ok. I am going to get a little geeky on you guys. Here is a question for you other engineers (and anyone else who can answer it for that matter).
The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass cannot be created or destroyed (physics 101). So, if I weigh myself before I go to bed, and then weigh myself immediately after waking in the morning, I will weigh less in the morning, this is coming from my own experimentation. This is without using the bathroom or eating anything inbetween. Also, no sweat inducing activies (well, sometimes haha), but lets assume all other things equal.
Where the F&*K does the mass go? Is it some slow evaporation of water from your skin overnight? Some type of mass transport on a molecular level or something?
I mean, I know your body is burning fatty acids for energy (or at least from my minimal knowledge thats what I think), but that is just energy, which has its own seperate laws.
What happens to the damn mass???
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Primarily from sweating and breathing (a surprising amount of moisture is lost just from breathing).
The majority of the weight you lose in the middle of the night is sweated out through your glands. I can't say I know the specifics of it, but I do know that it is one cause. Your body also is maintaining body temperature without anything being "inputted" if you will so I would think that it will also lead to energy lost. During my induction phase on the AD, I had one night where I woke up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat; I had to switch pillows it was so bad. I think normally it just happens at a slower rate so you don't notice it. Needless to say I dropped like 6 lbs that night. Not very scientific or supported with mathematics I know.
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I had the night sweats that bad one night also. I had to get up and put on a thick robe to sleep in 'cause the sheets were soaked. Generally those are caused by fluctuating hormone levels (that’s why older women get ‘hot flashes’ and older men and women can get night sweats). The hypothalamus regulates both hormones and basil body temperature and fluctuating hormones can confuse the “thermostat”.
With the AD I bet it’s both hormones re-balancing and the body switching over to burning fat instead of CHO.
Does anyone know if vegetable glycerine would be o.k to use on carb up days at the end of your carb up to draw carbs into the muscle. I ask because I heard it was made from coconut although I don’t think it’s necessarily MCT oil?
The majority of the weight you lose in the middle of the night is sweated out through your glands. I can't say I know the specifics of it, but I do know that it is one cause. Your body also is maintaining body temperature without anything being "inputted" if you will so I would think that it will also lead to energy lost. During my induction phase on the AD, I had one night where I woke up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat; I had to switch pillows it was so bad. I think normally it just happens at a slower rate so you don't notice it. Needless to say I dropped like 6 lbs that night. Not very scientific or supported with mathematics I know.
Brian[/quote]
I had the night sweats that bad one night also. I had to get up and put on a thick robe to sleep in 'cause the sheets were soaked. Generally those are caused by fluctuating hormone levels (that’s why older women get ‘hot flashes’ and older men and women can get night sweats). The hypothalamus regulates both hormones and basil body temperature and fluctuating hormones can confuse the “thermostat”.
With the AD I bet it’s both hormones re-balancing and the body switching over to burning fat instead of CHO.
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Very interesting Fade, I was on a keto for about a week before I started the AD and was kinda low carb before that, so I always thought that I just had an easy transition. But maybe some people just make the transition while they are sleeping and that is why they don’t crash. I’m sure that the 1st thing has a factor in it as well but it was very weird, I have never had a night like that, then again I have never shifted to fat-burning before either.
Adam - I understand the concept you are talking about with mass/weight, but each time I weighed myself, I was on the earths surface. Assuming the acceleration of gravity did not change overnight, then its safe to say that my mass had to change.
Using energy does not by itself explain any mass loss. Creating heat by burning cals and raising your temp does not directly cause mass loss, but the evaporation of the water you sweat out your glands would.
Back on topic, my pics I dont think show much. I learned that I just suck at taking pics, because the variables of the light and what not dont allow me to accurately judge myself.
However, with the new bodpod, I am going to do it every 4 weeks with the same people on the same machine, so that should be as good as it gets.
[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Adam - I understand the concept you are talking about with mass/weight, but each time I weighed myself, I was on the earths surface. Assuming the acceleration of gravity did not change overnight, then its safe to say that my mass had to change.
Using energy does not by itself explain any mass loss. Creating heat by burning cals and raising your temp does not directly cause mass loss, but the evaporation of the water you sweat out your glands would.
Back on topic, my pics I dont think show much. I learned that I just suck at taking pics, because the variables of the light and what not dont allow me to accurately judge myself.
However, with the new bodpod, I am going to do it every 4 weeks with the same people on the same machine, so that should be as good as it gets.[/quote]
Personally, I would trust a person who has experience with calipers over the bodpod. I did hydrostatic weighing (gold standard) and bodpod in the same day and was about 5% higher on the bodpod than hydrostatic weighing.
[quote]Vegetable Man wrote:
i’m thinkin 3 raw eggs mixed with half a scoop of whey. about the same calories im taking in now with the 2 scoops, 18 grams less protein and more fat, and good saturated fat at that. i don’t think i really need 48 grams of protein right after anyway. then i’ll have my normal meal an hour later. i’ll try it today. thank God for eggs. [/quote]
Just a heads up somewhere it is discussed that the protein in the egg whites is not as useful since it hasn’t been cooked yet. I think it has a hard time absorbing or somethin. Also if you cook the entire egg, you will lose the quality of the fats in the yolk. So it’s kinda a double edged sword. I use an egg or two in my shakes once in a while. They definitely help thicken it up. As for breakfast, I always do over easy so I can get the best of both worlds.[/quote]
You ever try ‘basted’ eggs? It basically cooks everything except the yolk, and gets rid of the “runny” whites. The way I do it is not true basting, but a lot easier. What you do is crack the eggs into the pan sunny-side up style, let 'em cook for just a bit, then add a little water to the fat you’re cooking with and put a sauce-pan cover over the eggs (it should be pretty water-tight). The steam cooks the top, don’t flip the eggs. When the white film forms over the yolk, they’re done.
The top of the eggs are firmed-up but the yolks are still liquid, like poached-fried. Plus you get the taste of the fat on the whole egg. Delicious…
Ill have to try that… I always have to take the spatula and push those runny whites onto some of the open pan, usually end up destroying alot of the egg white or sometimes it will pop the yolk which is saddening.
When you say add water to the fat, do you mean to the olive oil or to the egg yolk?
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Personally, I would trust a person who has experience with calipers over the bodpod. I did hydrostatic weighing (gold standard) and bodpod in the same day and was about 5% higher on the bodpod than hydrostatic weighing.[/quote]
Aj - I would really prefer to do that, but I dont have access to anyone who has experience with calipers. However, my friend who is an Excercise Science major, said he knows how to do it and will measure me whenever, but he is 19 years old and thus doesnt have the experience.
With the bodpod, at least I can use the same machine everytime. The percent error in the operation of the machine is probably extremely minimal, so it would be good to compare the readings back to back, 4 weeks apart. I really dont care if it says I am 50% BF on Tuesday, and then says I am 48% BF four weeks from now, the difference is the only thing that matters to me.
If I see a decrease in BF between two readings, that is all that matters to me. I just want to look good, I dont care what the number actually is. I just need something to reassure me that what I am doing is working.
[quote]AirBoren wrote:
Ill have to try that… I always have to take the spatula and push those runny whites onto some of the open pan, usually end up destroying alot of the egg white or sometimes it will pop the yolk which is saddening.
When you say add water to the fat, do you mean to the olive oil or to the egg yolk?[/quote]
Here is something my good ole southern wife does.
Cook the bacon in the pan first. This will leave all the grease in the pan. Next, cook your eggs overeasy, but use a spoon and scoop some hot grease up and pour it onto the egg whites, it helps them cook quicker. Its actually frying an egg, but very similar to basting it. MMMMMMM, bacon grease.
Well Ive been on the AD a month now, 1 day clean carb ups, never more than 15-20g cho during the week. I feel good, strong, weights gone up, arms grossely huge for a girl, (must stop training them but cant help it)lol. My legs are stronger but thinner, now easily squating 80kg for 5 sets but they look as though I cant carry home the shopping! My abs are coming through though my hips and waist are a bit thick which i hate! Sometimes I have higher kcals then others, thursdays all i can think of are carbs, though I do have to wait until sunday. Im sure im doing everything right, i know change wont happen over night. Do you guys dream of carbs around this time in the week, hope this will go away, even though when i eventualy get to eat some its not all that gret! I will shut up now. ha
[quote]AirBoren wrote:
Ill have to try that… I always have to take the spatula and push those runny whites onto some of the open pan, usually end up destroying alot of the egg white or sometimes it will pop the yolk which is saddening.
When you say add water to the fat, do you mean to the olive oil or to the egg yolk?[/quote]
Just drop a little water in the pan on top of the fat your cooking with after the fat it heated. It creates a lot of steam so when you cover the eggs with the lid it cooks the top of the eggs. That’s all there is to it :D.
I changed my re-feed day to sat. More sociable. Though my first 2 meals were p/f which made me feel better only having half the day to gorge on cho. Though I got in alot sbout 420g.!. Great stuff, mostly clean, one small bar of plain choc was about as bad as it got. How are you guys all feeling?
i have a weird body!
i really dont care carbing up…or not. Feel no different, not tired, not bloated, the only thing i notice that i can’t stop going to the bathroom on monday and thuesday, when al the fluid comes out when my glyco-storage is getting empty
