My Experience on the Anabolic Diet Part IV

Nutrition
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yeah, completely misunderstood you there… but that does makes more sense. I have weird sleep patterns after a few days of <30 carbs. Usually it’s waking up to go to the bathroom from all the water I’m drinking.

Last September when I was coming off of AD, after about 3 days of being on “traditional” carbs diet I woke up in the middle of the night trembling, I was so cold. Scared the hell out of my gf… I’m guessing it could have something to do with the combination of high levels of hormones which aren’t usually (naturally)combined, namely IGF-1, Insulin and of course Testosterone, that hadn’t diminished yet. At least that’s what I gather from the Dr’s book.

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[quote]lpranal wrote:
yeah, completely misunderstood you there… but that does makes more sense. I have weird sleep patterns after a few days of <30 carbs. Usually it’s waking up to go to the bathroom from all the water I’m drinking.

Last September when I was coming off of AD, after about 3 days of being on “traditional” carbs diet I woke up in the middle of the night trembling, I was so cold. Scared the hell out of my gf… I’m guessing it could have something to do with the combination of high levels of hormones which aren’t usually (naturally)combined, namely IGF-1, Insulin and of course Testosterone, that hadn’t diminished yet. At least that’s what I gather from the Dr’s book.[/quote]

I have been off the AD for a little over a week now and have been completely fine, that’s weird. I’m eating carbs for breakfast, loading right before/during workouts, and having a CHO meal after. But I was in Cancun for the past week and ate like everyday was a refeed lol, haven’t felt sick at all. Completely bloated, but not sick :wink:

-Adam

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Just reading through this thread…im just wondering your guys opinions on this diet/lifestyle for a fatty? Ive got quite a bit of bf to lose but im also wanting to lift heavy…the really calorie restricted diets dont really give the energy to gain strength and lift heavy. So what do you guys reckon to the AD for this? Losing bf and gaining strength.

I wonder if there have been any overweight guys doing this? anyone know their experiences?

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[quote]Balddog wrote:
Just reading through this thread…im just wondering your guys opinions on this diet/lifestyle for a fatty? Ive got quite a bit of bf to lose but im also wanting to lift heavy…the really calorie restricted diets dont really give the energy to gain strength and lift heavy. So what do you guys reckon to the AD for this? Losing bf and gaining strength.

I wonder if there have been any overweight guys doing this? anyone know their experiences?[/quote]

Please read through the original threads first. All of the information is in here, as well as many people talking about there experience on the diet *hence the title :slight_smile: *

-Adam

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Balddog wrote:
Just reading through this thread…im just wondering your guys opinions on this diet/lifestyle for a fatty? Ive got quite a bit of bf to lose but im also wanting to lift heavy…the really calorie restricted diets dont really give the energy to gain strength and lift heavy. So what do you guys reckon to the AD for this? Losing bf and gaining strength.

I wonder if there have been any overweight guys doing this? anyone know their experiences?[/quote]

Please read through the original threads first. All of the information is in here, as well as many people talking about there experience on the diet *hence the title :slight_smile: *

-Adam[/quote]

Hi Adam,

Thanks. I read the original thread a while back but i dont recall any overweight people chiming in(it has been a long time since i read through it though). Mainly in shape guys wanting to get down to single digits. but if you say there are posts from people in my situation, ill go back and read over ^^ Plus theres a whole new generation of people who have done it since that thread.

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[quote]Balddog wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Balddog wrote:
Just reading through this thread…im just wondering your guys opinions on this diet/lifestyle for a fatty? Ive got quite a bit of bf to lose but im also wanting to lift heavy…the really calorie restricted diets dont really give the energy to gain strength and lift heavy. So what do you guys reckon to the AD for this? Losing bf and gaining strength.

I wonder if there have been any overweight guys doing this? anyone know their experiences?[/quote]

Please read through the original threads first. All of the information is in here, as well as many people talking about there experience on the diet *hence the title :slight_smile: *

-Adam[/quote]

Hi Adam,

Thanks. I read the original thread a while back but i dont recall any overweight people chiming in(it has been a long time since i read through it though). Mainly in shape guys wanting to get down to single digits. but if you say there are posts from people in my situation, ill go back and read over ^^ Plus theres a whole new generation of people who have done it since that thread.[/quote]

IIRC the beginning few guys weren’t too low BF and were trying to shed some weight like yourself. I think one of them was an overweight PLer.

BUT, if the AD can help shed the last few pounds, which are the hardest, I’m sure it would be fine for your situation :slight_smile:

-Adam

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question, if i were on a low carb diet prior to AD, should i finish all 12 days in the beginning anyway or will my body have been adapted well enough to using fat as a source of energy? i was carb cycling prior to AD, been on it for 7 days now, and when i was cycling i only took in carbs on work out days because all i can do is HIIT. Basically, carbs three days a week and on those days i had carbs in the morning, pre and post HIIT and that was it. appreciate any responses =)

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[quote]albie wrote:
question, if i were on a low carb diet prior to AD, should i finish all 12 days in the beginning anyway or will my body have been adapted well enough to using fat as a source of energy? i was carb cycling prior to AD, been on it for 7 days now, and when i was cycling i only took in carbs on work out days because all i can do is HIIT. Basically, carbs three days a week and on those days i had carbs in the morning, pre and post HIIT and that was it. appreciate any responses =)[/quote]

Do the 12 days and you’ll be good to go :slight_smile:

Otherwise, it’s not truly the AD.

-Adam

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]bfrance wrote:

Hello all,

First post for me on here. I’m currently following the A/D plan for nutrition along with lifting 4 times a week, split as follows: Mon-Chest/Back, Tue-Off, Wed-Bi/Tri, Thurs-Legs, Fri-Off, Sat-Shoulders. I’m about 3 weeks into training and about starting week 4 on the A/D this week.

My stats are as follows: 5’7", 179.2 pounds, 27-ish% b/f (according to the scales). Long term goals for this year is to get to 150-155 pounds at 10% b/f. From there I’m not sure what my overall goal is.

I’m still eating at the maintenance level of calories on the A/D, and I’m not sure whether to my calories to try to shed b/f or to stay at maintenance to try to build some muscle first.

All input is welcome.

Thanks,

-Ben [/quote]

How old are you? What are your lifting stats?

Trust me, you should be eating to gain right now man. Don’t waste time cutting, you will have to get crazy skinny to see any results that you want, and chances are you won’t like them when you get there.

I used the AD to go from 160ish to around 180-185 and had pretty good results. Just focus on lifting heavy and eating plenty of calories man.

-Adam[/quote]

Adam,

Thanks for the reply. It’s been a busy few days for me. 33 years old. Lifting stats are pretty abysmal since I’m a newbie to weights. Haven’t done any 1 rm sets to see max, but here are my last work out numbers on the bench, squat, deadlift, etc: Bench-5 sets, 8 reps per, 70lbs for the first 4, 75 for the 5th. Squats- 5 sets, 8 reps per, 50lb, 55lb, 60lb x3, (I know, sad, but I gotta start somewhere, right?), Deadlift-5 sets, 8 reps per, 50x2, 60x3. The good news is that my lifts are going up every workout, so at least that’s something, right?

Carb ups so far haven’t been real clean, but not horrible. Usually 1-2 sweet potatos, some form of brown rice, oatmeal for breakfast. But, there has been a lot of junk there too, ie: fruit loops, chocolate covered donuts, etc. This weekend’s plan is to have a clean carb-up, no junk allowed. My week-day intake has been right around maintenance, 3200-3300 cals. The thing I’m struggling with a bit is the macro’s. No problem keeping carbs where they need to be, but for the past 2-3 days I’ve been at like 70% fat and 28-ish % protein. Gotta work on that.

Anyway, as I said before, any input is welcome. I’m obviously a newbie when it comes to training, but I’m loving it so far. My favorite days of the week are the days I lift now!

Thanks,

-Ben

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So I’ve decided to go back on the anabolic diet to drop some fat, but this time around I’m having trouble. Last time when I began in the induction phase I was insatiable and taking down 4000-5000 calories a day, and would be hungry in as little as an hour after I ate.

I finished the induction, but I wasn’t nearly as hungry and putting down 2000 calories was rough(at 220lbs mind you), and over the last 3 days, to be honest, I have only managed 1600-1800 calories, and have felt horrid and constantly full and sluggish.

I have been supplementing with 1925mg of betaine hcl (I’ve been thinking of finding someone who does the Heidelberg test around here, because I once went up to 3500mg, had 150g of broccoli then 6oz of pork, and never felt a thing…).

I figured I would just push through the fullness and maybe I would expand my appetite or something, but that only led to me throwing up my lunch (and I gave a valiant effort to keep it down). I don’t know whether the lack of an appetite is due to the increased fiber intake (last time I was eating about no fiber, and it was showing) or something completely different.

On my carb up I felt good and had a regular appetite. I wasn’t hungry at all this morning despite not having eaten in 12 hours, and when on carbs I’m always starving when I get up.

I was also wondering if anyone knew why (it seems to happen with other people through my searches) when on a low carb diet, HOT-ROX seem to make me/people more nauseous, on a higher carb diet I can handle 4 a day and just get sweaty, but only one seemed to exacerbate my full, bleh feeling.

I haven’t been doing weights, but I have been active, moving around literally tons of gravel, cutting up and disposing of trees, and I’ve had energy for it, it just felt like I was full the whole time.
I loved the anabolic diet last time and I think it will help me get over some of my bad eating habits, but for whatever reason it is just not going well this time around.

I’m just wondering if anyone has experienced this complete lack of appetite, or has any suggestions.

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Has anyone used vegetable glycerine on the AD. Some say it’s o.k. Some say not. I have even deard that Dr Di Pasquale says its ok but I cannot find that quote anywhere.

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When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.

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[quote]Little Jay wrote:
When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.[/quote]

I was on the AD for 6 months and while I did make strength gains and gained a fair amount of nice LBM, I felt like I was making progress at a snail’s pace. Just stick with it man. I feel like I’m making progress much faster now that I’ve added carbs back into my workouts.

I think that’s what the AD is for. Not a magical “Cure All” diet, but a way to help you figure out what YOU need to do to reach your goals and get where you want to be ASAP.

-Adam

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:
When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.[/quote]

I was on the AD for 6 months and while I did make strength gains and gained a fair amount of nice LBM, I felt like I was making progress at a snail’s pace. Just stick with it man. I feel like I’m making progress much faster now that I’ve added carbs back into my workouts.

I think that’s what the AD is for. Not a magical “Cure All” diet, but a way to help you figure out what YOU need to do to reach your goals and get where you want to be ASAP.

-Adam[/quote]

But in that 6 months did you gained faster than you’d normally do?

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[quote]Little Jay wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:
When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.[/quote]

I was on the AD for 6 months and while I did make strength gains and gained a fair amount of nice LBM, I felt like I was making progress at a snail’s pace. Just stick with it man. I feel like I’m making progress much faster now that I’ve added carbs back into my workouts.

I think that’s what the AD is for. Not a magical “Cure All” diet, but a way to help you figure out what YOU need to do to reach your goals and get where you want to be ASAP.

-Adam[/quote]

But in that 6 months did you gained faster than you’d normally do?[/quote]

Strength or weight?

I gained a decent amount of weight in the beginning because I was bulking and just went ALL OUT on the CHO ups lol. I gained fat from it, but somehow leaned out after hovering around the same weight for several months.

I feel like my strength gains were slower on the AD then on my previous diet. I am pretty much targeted carbs right now, I eat them for breakfast and load them before/during my workout and try to eat P/F for the rest of the day. I just don’t think giving yourself a reason to splurge on the weekends will ever do you any good. I feel a lot of people slow down their fat loss progress by going crazy on the weekends

-Adam

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:
When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.[/quote]

I was on the AD for 6 months and while I did make strength gains and gained a fair amount of nice LBM, I felt like I was making progress at a snail’s pace. Just stick with it man. I feel like I’m making progress much faster now that I’ve added carbs back into my workouts.

I think that’s what the AD is for. Not a magical “Cure All” diet, but a way to help you figure out what YOU need to do to reach your goals and get where you want to be ASAP.

-Adam[/quote]

But in that 6 months did you gained faster than you’d normally do?[/quote]

Strength or weight?

I gained a decent amount of weight in the beginning because I was bulking and just went ALL OUT on the CHO ups lol. I gained fat from it, but somehow leaned out after hovering around the same weight for several months.

I feel like my strength gains were slower on the AD then on my previous diet. I am pretty much targeted carbs right now, I eat them for breakfast and load them before/during my workout and try to eat P/F for the rest of the day. I just don’t think giving yourself a reason to splurge on the weekends will ever do you any good. I feel a lot of people slow down their fat loss progress by going crazy on the weekends

-Adam[/quote]

So strength gains where slower and mass gain was about the same? What’s the point of AD then??

Is this for everyone the same?

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[quote]Little Jay wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]Little Jay wrote:
When will the magic happen? I’m on the AD for 3 weeks now (today started my 2nd carbup) and wondering when the massa/strength gains will come faster than they did.
I know 3 weeks is too short to tell anything, but I’m wondering when it will “kick in”.[/quote]

I was on the AD for 6 months and while I did make strength gains and gained a fair amount of nice LBM, I felt like I was making progress at a snail’s pace. Just stick with it man. I feel like I’m making progress much faster now that I’ve added carbs back into my workouts.

I think that’s what the AD is for. Not a magical “Cure All” diet, but a way to help you figure out what YOU need to do to reach your goals and get where you want to be ASAP.

-Adam[/quote]

But in that 6 months did you gained faster than you’d normally do?[/quote]

Strength or weight?

I gained a decent amount of weight in the beginning because I was bulking and just went ALL OUT on the CHO ups lol. I gained fat from it, but somehow leaned out after hovering around the same weight for several months.

I feel like my strength gains were slower on the AD then on my previous diet. I am pretty much targeted carbs right now, I eat them for breakfast and load them before/during my workout and try to eat P/F for the rest of the day. I just don’t think giving yourself a reason to splurge on the weekends will ever do you any good. I feel a lot of people slow down their fat loss progress by going crazy on the weekends

-Adam[/quote]

So strength gains where slower and mass gain was about the same? What’s the point of AD then??

Is this for everyone the same?
[/quote]

You just gotta read through the other threads and decide for yourself if you think you will benefit. Everybody is different and there is not one diet to fit all. just the same as there isn’t one program to fit all. Everyone has to decide on what is best for them.

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[quote]Bizmark wrote:
Ya after my workout today I’m re-thinking this. If I am going to actually compete I’m definitely going to need carbs to get through these workouts… Did a 3 mile run today after chest\bi’s\abs and thinking low carb 5 days a week may not be the way to go. I’ll probably use nutrient timing instead.[/quote]

Just wanted to give you an update on my experiences with endurance type training. Sunday, I Went for an 11 mile ride on my mountainbike on a local trail i’m planning to race on in the fall. Bought some powerbal energy gel things during the ride, I must say I was blown away by how much more energy I had, in fact had my best time ever on this trail at 1:20. I did start doing base training as I got into the 2nd week of the diet, it seems to fit better for no carb days.

The cool thing about carb days is that depending on the type of depletion workout you do, your muscles can become supercompensated, so you can basically have more glycogen stored than is normally possible… while still being in a fat burning state. what this appears to do (anecdotally, from one ride) is really give you “the best of both worlds”. I could tell I was still able to maintain steady intensity while brutally attacking the climbs and fast sections of the ride… and I felt like I could just keep going and going. At least for weekend warrior type mountain biking I do, this diet seems to be a winner

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[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]lpranal wrote:
yeah, completely misunderstood you there… but that does makes more sense. I have weird sleep patterns after a few days of <30 carbs. Usually it’s waking up to go to the bathroom from all the water I’m drinking.

Last September when I was coming off of AD, after about 3 days of being on “traditional” carbs diet I woke up in the middle of the night trembling, I was so cold. Scared the hell out of my gf… I’m guessing it could have something to do with the combination of high levels of hormones which aren’t usually (naturally)combined, namely IGF-1, Insulin and of course Testosterone, that hadn’t diminished yet. At least that’s what I gather from the Dr’s book.[/quote]

I have been off the AD for a little over a week now and have been completely fine, that’s weird. I’m eating carbs for breakfast, loading right before/during workouts, and having a CHO meal after. But I was in Cancun for the past week and ate like everyday was a refeed lol, haven’t felt sick at all. Completely bloated, but not sick :wink:

-Adam[/quote]

hey Adam, have u actually put on fat? im eating carbs every 4th day and want to come off this diet but my fear of becoming a fatty is too scary!!! have read all the get un-shredded shit but im still not convinced and cant really remember how to eat a ‘normal’ diet! help

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[quote]tams88 wrote:

[quote]ashylarryku wrote:

[quote]lpranal wrote:
yeah, completely misunderstood you there… but that does makes more sense. I have weird sleep patterns after a few days of <30 carbs. Usually it’s waking up to go to the bathroom from all the water I’m drinking.

Last September when I was coming off of AD, after about 3 days of being on “traditional” carbs diet I woke up in the middle of the night trembling, I was so cold. Scared the hell out of my gf… I’m guessing it could have something to do with the combination of high levels of hormones which aren’t usually (naturally)combined, namely IGF-1, Insulin and of course Testosterone, that hadn’t diminished yet. At least that’s what I gather from the Dr’s book.[/quote]

I have been off the AD for a little over a week now and have been completely fine, that’s weird. I’m eating carbs for breakfast, loading right before/during workouts, and having a CHO meal after. But I was in Cancun for the past week and ate like everyday was a refeed lol, haven’t felt sick at all. Completely bloated, but not sick :wink:

-Adam[/quote]

hey Adam, have u actually put on fat? im eating carbs every 4th day and want to come off this diet but my fear of becoming a fatty is too scary!!! have read all the get un-shredded shit but im still not convinced and cant really remember how to eat a ‘normal’ diet! help[/quote]

I gained fat, but it was a result of eating way too much on vacation lol. You can’t be afraid of carbs though, they’re not the enemy. as long as you’re training hard and aren’t eating a ton of overall CALORIES, then you’re not gonna get McDonalds fat lol. Just do your best to apply what you’ve read with the unshredded diets and you should be fine. I would send bmacky a Pm and see if he has any advice, because he was on the AD for a couple of years and stopped. He is well more informed than myself.