Glad to have you on board again bk! This is a prime example of how everyone should tailor the diet to fit them and their individual needs.
There’s probably no need for this thread to continue, but we ADers are pretty much fanily lol. All the info anyone could need is in the original thread. This is just a goof way of sharing experience, asking advice, and giving out the occasional recipe.
Glad to have you back man! I read through all of the other threads, so thanks for all the advice!
-Adam
awesome bk the fasting sounds very interesting> i have just started to chop and change a bit. doing three solid days of protein and fat then on the 4th day whenever it may fall i have just an afternoon of carbs start with clean end with a little dirtier. cant c this altering my fat burning state but think it will speed up the metabolism quite a bit this way i can avoid any full carb days and feeling crap and stuffed full. the day after just a carb afternoon i feel normal so this works well 4 me.
any advice welcome
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Now call me all the nasty things you want for not reading he extra two threads for this lifestyle but has anything really changed or is this all just result and food logs now?[/quote]
Welcome back BK. The thread nowadays is mostly answering Q’s from people new to the AD and sharing experiences with the diet (read: lifestyle).
Word up guys. I’m sure it’ll be a pleasure being back on and I look forward to any help I may bring to the table. Any individuals who really shine when it comes to fat loss or bulking while on this lifestyle?
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Word up guys. I’m sure it’ll be a pleasure being back on and I look forward to any help I may bring to the table. Any individuals who really shine when it comes to fat loss or bulking while on this lifestyle?[/quote]
I’ve been getting compliments from family members and freidns about how I’m looking bigger (“Have you been lifting weights!?” ;)) I think the fat gains would have been much more noticeable if I had done it on the convential diet I used to be on. I switched to AD mid-bulk and it seems like I have kept the same amount of fat (maybe even lossed a bit) and continued to gain weight. My lifts have gone from
Deadlift 280 X 1 / 325 X 4
Squat 225 X 1 / 225 X 5
Bench 205 X 1 / 195 X 5 (could easily get 225 now)
i’m most happy with my deadlift but everything else is still going up. The squats progress sucks just because of me not nailing down form yet (below parallel of course)
ADer indefinitely as of now 
-Adam
Hi everybody I’ve a question here: How the hell do you guys eat oatmeal during your carb ups? I usually just eat them in milk like cereal, but it turns out lactose is a simple sugar. So how can I eat those oats?
You can cook oatmeal in water, it still tastes okay (especially if you’re mixing something else in there).
And a little lactose won’t kill you on a carb up, depending on what else you’re eating.
I don’t cook the oatmeal, but I’ll try it water anyways, see if it’s any good. What can I mix in there except from the regular raisins and dried fruit (which I’m not a big fan of)?
I’m also having one cheat meal before sleep on day 1. It’s pretty big, versatile and unhealthy though but it doesn’t seem to hinder my progess much, yet.
How do you all treat fluids on carb-ups? On the diet I’m transitioning off of, on my cheat day, I’ve noticed that I can eat quite the supply of carbs comfortably and stop when I’m satisfied. Then afterwards, I’ll drink whatever it is I have in the glass in front of me and it’s like the food absorbs all of it and expands to create a crazy pain and sense of nausea.
Based on this what would you all say about cutting fluids for the most part sans sipping something throughout the day instead of gulping down a glass of milk or juice? Now during my workout I plan on drinking a carbolicious shake but I mean outside of sweating during a workout how about just sipping a lil bit throughout the day?
I believe I’ll more than make it up on my fast day and shake day following the carb up as I drink up towards 2 gallons on those days
I just remembered why I stopped eating this way 2-3 years ago. The quality of affordable meat on this diet isn’t the best. Now, it would be if the protein recommendations were lowered to say 1g/lb bodyweight but I bet you’ll all chime in and say that ~70% of calories from fat is too high. Opinions?
alon, you could try fresh fruit in your oatmeal-cereal. I’ve also mixed it in with yogurt or protein powder and it’s been good. The hardcore with put it in a blender with anything, like eggs and olive oil. Not me.
macky, I haven’t done any uber-high carb loads, but I usually just keep drinking water and accept the bloat. I get more uncomfortable from the thirst.
If you’re looking for cheap meat, how about canned tuna/salmon, pork chops, eggs and egg whites, chicken thighs, lean ground beef, and most importantly: whatever’s in the clearance bin at the supermarket? $2/lb is kind of a magic number for me, because that’s what a huge sack of frozen chicken breasts runs at costco.
I’m talking quality…like grass-fed beef. Now, if i were aiming for 1g of protein/lb then just fill in the cals with oils and such I could keep on buying the high quality foods. Now, does this not sound ideal? I mean second best scenario would to just go ahead and buy organic veggies and carb up meals and just buy supermarket pseudo-meat.
But anyway, today I started a break from my diet, a month, and I’m eating 18xBW. I feel so amazing By far favorite meal today was 4 oz of marinated pork with 2oz of cheese and a TBS of EVOO and nuts sandwiched between two portabello mushrooms. Oh yes and i also lathered each shroom with Smart balance EVOO butter. OMG excellent snack on its own and an excellent side to my pork.
Canned salmon is pretty inexpensive, and it’s always wild. Eggs from cage-free, vegetarian-fed hens are pretty easy to find for reasonable prices if you Google for local organic farms in your area (try http://www.localharvest.org/). OR if you own a place and have a bit of room, hens are easy to keep and you’ll have tons of eggs. You can raise veggies on the cheap in pots, too, if you don’t have space/time for a garden.
There’s also always hunting. 
I have friends who pack their freezers full of deer and always have grass-fed meat at their disposal. Wild boar is a nuisance in many states and so usually is always in-season…but it’s quite delicious. I’m only sort of joking, by the way!
Wow, after reading the above…I realize I am a Midwestern stereotype.
[quote]Artemisia wrote:
Canned salmon is pretty inexpensive, and it’s always wild. Eggs from cage-free, vegetarian-fed hens are pretty easy to find for reasonable prices if you Google for local organic farms in your area (try http://www.localharvest.org/). OR if you own a place and have a bit of room, hens are easy to keep and you’ll have tons of eggs. You can raise veggies on the cheap in pots, too, if you don’t have space/time for a garden.
There’s also always hunting. I have friends who pack their freezers full of deer and always have grass-fed meat at their disposal. Wild boar is a nuisance in many states and so usually is always in-season…but it’s quite delicious. I’m only sort of joking, by the way!
Wow, after reading the above…I realize I am a Midwestern stereotype.[/quote]
Yea living in Florida on the gulf doesn’t provide too much game (hunting wise, girls come a plenty;] ) I’ll try that local harvest thanks for that.
But again what’s the consensus of ~70% calories from fat? I mean at maintenance now feeling amazing, as I did while last on the AD, except this time so much more room for food Probably because coming off a strict diet.
I’ll also look into some plants…maybe.
A few questions for those who have been on the diet for a while.
Carbs vs no carbs post workout?
Why are such huge carb ups reccomended when the body can only store 400-600grams of carbs as muscle and liver glycogen?
Diet soda good or bad? (some say it spikes insulin)
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
A few questions for those who have been on the diet for a while.
NO. Stick with glutamine, glycine and WPI.
Carb up would be dependant on how lean you are. Example. Over 15% bf I would stick to ONE crab meal every 5-7 days. If you are 10%, have a carb DAY every 5-7 days.
Bad. It provides a similar insulin response as reg soda and the chemicals are no god anyway. Add lemon or lime to your water and you will end up drinking much more!
GJ
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
[quote]Artemisia wrote:
Canned salmon is pretty inexpensive, and it’s always wild. Eggs from cage-free, vegetarian-fed hens are pretty easy to find for reasonable prices if you Google for local organic farms in your area (try http://www.localharvest.org/). OR if you own a place and have a bit of room, hens are easy to keep and you’ll have tons of eggs. You can raise veggies on the cheap in pots, too, if you don’t have space/time for a garden.
There’s also always hunting. I have friends who pack their freezers full of deer and always have grass-fed meat at their disposal. Wild boar is a nuisance in many states and so usually is always in-season…but it’s quite delicious. I’m only sort of joking, by the way!
Wow, after reading the above…I realize I am a Midwestern stereotype.[/quote]
Yea living in Florida on the gulf doesn’t provide too much game (hunting wise, girls come a plenty;] ) I’ll try that local harvest thanks for that.
But again what’s the consensus of ~70% calories from fat? I mean at maintenance now feeling amazing, as I did while last on the AD, except this time so much more room for food Probably because coming off a strict diet.
I’ll also look into some plants…maybe. [/quote]
From my understanding, fats should be kept to 40-60%. But I doubt experimenting would hurt…I am CURRENTY taking in 2g/lb of protein, BUT counting aminos toward this so complete protein is about 1.5g/lb…all whilst trying to lean out. Fats is at about 45%…carb meal every 5th day.
Next week, I am adding more protein and dropping volume of workouts toward more strength/hypertrophy with a goal of body comp. This TYPE of eating is the best way to add lean mass whilst dropping bf as we have all experienced.
GJ
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
A few questions for those who have been on the diet for a while.
Carbs vs no carbs post workout?
Why are such huge carb ups reccomended when the body can only store 400-600grams of carbs as muscle and liver glycogen?
Diet soda good or bad? (some say it spikes insulin)[/quote]
I am going to preface this response with an important truth regarding this diet: Everyone responds differently to it. Therefore, what works for me may not work for you.
You certainly can save your carbs up for post workout. I will occasionaly do some almond butter or other carb source post workout if I don’t feel up to jumping right into some fat and protein. First couple pages of the original thread go into detail about what the vets did post workout. DH would just go with a little protein and then shortly after a protein and fat meal.
400-600 is nothing compared to my bulking carb ups (also covered early on in the thread by Il Cazzo). I don’t care what people say can or cannot be stored in my body. I know how I feel during the week when my weekend carb ups are huge and I know how I feel when they are smaller. I do not buy into such statements as “you can only digest __ amount of protein in one sitting” or “_____ is the best exercise for your entire life”. I listen to a few people I respect on a certain subject, I put their theories and ideas to use and make them work for me. 400-600g carb ups may be perfect for you, if so, rock on. Just remember, we are all different and I housed a bath tubs worth of oatmeal while writing this…cheers.
I am not a fan of putting chemicals and the what not in my body. It is hard enough avoiding it in the foods that are a staple of my diet (meat, for instance). So I try to avoid all unnecessary aditions (diet soda). Water and tea my friend. Loose leaf tea is the way to go. I have replaced all my coffee consumption with mate (pronounced mah-tay) tea, which has the same caffeine as coffee.
Re: glycogen storage…I was taught in sports nutrition that it varies from individual to individual, and with proper protocol you can more than double the amount you store. It is by no means a static number. I’ve been told normal is 1.7 g for every 100 g of muscle, but loading procedures (which is what AD’ers do with the weekend carb-ups) can increase that to 5 g per 100 g of muscle.
Good morning ladies and gents, happy Mother’s Day.
An update on my AD life. I am finishing up the third month of my AD bulk. My cals are in the 4300 range give or take a couple tablespoons of olive oil. I feel freakin awesome and have put on a suprising bit of size in 3 months, with minimum fat gain to boost.
I am going to drop my cals to maintenance next week and probably another drop another 500 cals the week after that in preperation for my 2 weeks in the Bahamas in July. I will say, I am looking forward to the more affordable grocery bill…buying enough steak to bulk is no easy job.
I have started going through the original thread these past couple days. I went through the first 50 pages when I restarted this lifestyle in Feb. There is a huge difference in reading the original thread when you first start eating like this and when you read it once you have some experience under your belt.
It is similar to watching a PG13 flick when you are 8 and again when you are 18. All this shit you didn’t understand before makes perfect sense when you are a little older and wiser.
I have picked a tasty nugget to share from page 3 of the original thread by the man, DH. He is talking about the reason to eat starches over sugars on the weekends:
"mdragon, that is a valid point and one that does play into your choice of CHO on the AD. The big one is that starches are broken down into glucose primarily with small amounts of fructose. Glucose preferentially fills the muscle while fructose heads to the liver.
Sucrose (table sugar in your sweets) is a dissacharide and has a larger fructose content that will allow the liver to be full faster and then when you begin carb depletion, the liver will continue to spike and drop your blood sugar levels for hours until it is depleted again.
Better to focus on filling muscle glycogen stores to the max. Also sucrose and fructose stimulate fat creating enzymes. So keep your loads smart. Have your goodies, but do it after you’ve consumed quality carbs. You’ll feel better, look better, and your appetite won’t get you into trouble by driving you to down a gallon of Ben & Jerry’s.
DH "