My Experience on the Anabolic Diet Part IV

Progress reports anyone?

I am in the 180’s for the first time in probably 2.5 years. 189 lbs to be exact. This is week 8 for me, and to tell you the truth, I am not convinced this diet is anything special, yet. The best results and side effects seemed to take place in the second and third week, and then just kind of leveled out since then.

I feel that my fat loss is really just a function of lowering my calories and doing cardio. I dont think I have experienced anything special by going low carb. That being said, I got 4 more weeks to go, and if fat loss doesnt accelerate by the end of the 4 weeks (12 weeks total), I am done with this diet.

My waist size has not changed a whole lot, but my wife has really been commenting on how lean I look lately. I dont know if she is just being nice/biased, or if I really am leaning up. I am losing about 1 lb/week, so with the extra cardio I am hoping to make that 1.5-2 lbs/week. I am taking measurements around my leanest and most muscular areas, like my upper arms, and the are not changing, so I am under the assumption that this weight loss is pure fat and not muscle. That could be misleading though, but its the best way I know how to check.

Total I am down about 6 net lbs in 8 weeks, but the first few weeks were really a waste of time because I was blowing my weeks work with a heavy carb up.

Anyone else have progress to report?

Hey Smithers… not too much I can report here. On day 10 of induction phase. Seeing the usual water weight loss and some mental foggyness. I thought i was going to crash earlier this morning. Wasn’t feeling right. I didn’t think I would crash this time being I did the diet before but I guess it was a good call to go through the induction phase again.

Regarding your results… seems pretty good so far. Your waist hasn’t changed… but fat seems to be coming off from somewhere considering everything else you said. I don’t know about you, but for my body on a traditional higher carb diet… i think I would of lost more muscle and strength.

Last year I lost 2.5 inches on my waist and gained a half inch on my arms… all with a net bodyweight loss of only 3 lb ish. Then I screwed it up and brought my cals too low. I think i needed to be more patient at moderate calorie levels. This time I’m going to take my time with it. The pics in my profile are “before” I started the AD last year. So it wasn’t like I was “fat” or “untrained” to start.

[quote]talenaah wrote:
haaa, yes, i’m a chick and i do know how to spell (bean=been) oops.

um, i didn’t specify ONE glass of wine…ha!! it’s been a bit more on some weekends due to special circumstances but i intend to get it in check. my food has been great and i think i was just over in cals by 200 or so a day, so i’m trying to cut that down with a couple low days here and there.

i was averaging about 1800 a day, now i’m going to knock that down a tad. i lift heavy for the most part and do a decent bit of metabolic work so for me, eating 1400 or less every day will NOT work.

i will start posting here so maybe i can get some insight from you all. :slight_smile: thanks![/quote]

Cool glad not the only girl now. Whats your bf and goals etc? dont think the bulk of it is about reducing kcals but waving them like you say, feel lean today but hungry as a low day going to bed so i wont eat!

[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Progress reports anyone?

I am in the 180’s for the first time in probably 2.5 years. 189 lbs to be exact. This is week 8 for me, and to tell you the truth, I am not convinced this diet is anything special, yet. The best results and side effects seemed to take place in the second and third week, and then just kind of leveled out since then.

I feel that my fat loss is really just a function of lowering my calories and doing cardio. I dont think I have experienced anything special by going low carb. That being said, I got 4 more weeks to go, and if fat loss doesnt accelerate by the end of the 4 weeks (12 weeks total), I am done with this diet.

Come on smithers you’ve got to admit you feel better with this way of eating? I think your weight loss is progressive at this stage. Cut your carb ups right down and tweak a few other variables. It will come, think what those nasty carbs would do if consumed every day!

My waist size has not changed a whole lot, but my wife has really been commenting on how lean I look lately. I dont know if she is just being nice/biased, or if I really am leaning up. I am losing about 1 lb/week, so with the extra cardio I am hoping to make that 1.5-2 lbs/week. I am taking measurements around my leanest and most muscular areas, like my upper arms, and the are not changing, so I am under the assumption that this weight loss is pure fat and not muscle. That could be misleading though, but its the best way I know how to check.

Total I am down about 6 net lbs in 8 weeks, but the first few weeks were really a waste of time because I was blowing my weeks work with a heavy carb up.

Anyone else have progress to report?[/quote]

Tams - you are the suck when it comes to quoting haha! It works better if you type what you want to say after the second [/quote] thing or whatever it is. That way what I said appears in grey, while yours is distinguished outside in yellow.

I am actually not sure if adding carbs would effect my diet at all. About 2 summers ago, I just ate “healthy” while still eating carbs, did some cardio, and trained hard and made some good progress.

I feel that I cant judge my progress based of my waist size though. I feel, probably like most men, that the fat around my waist will be the absolute last place I will see change. I know for a fact when I bulk that I start putting fat on around my stomach before anywhere else, so if the theory of fat coming off in the oppossite order it goes on is true, then the last place I will see progress is around my midsection.

However, I guess if I have truely lost 6 lbs of pure fat (not counting the water loss and what not), with no muscle loss (and possibly some muscle gain, somethings got to explain my increase in strength), then I dont have much to complain about.

DJS - You look pretty thick in your profile pics, good work. What kind of shape are you in currently compared to your pics? If you are about the same, it doesnt look like you have very far to go before looking pretty lean.

I think I have my weekly cals right now, so I am hoping for slightly better results the next four weeks. Plus, I am getting some cardio in everyday, not always hard and heavy, but some everyday to just help that extra little bit.

I do have to admit, there is someting about this diet and my increase in strength. In such a cal deficit, I thought I would be half assing my training sessions everyday. Instead, I am able to train harder and harder every week I get in. That has been the most impressive thing about this diet, or maybe I am just that much more focused. If I am going to spend 8 weeks tracking every calorie I eat, you best believe I am not going to mess it up by half assing it in the gym!

Just started the induction phase and I have quick question. I know generally speaking that one does not need to take a whole lot of protein powder while on this diet. My question is does anyone utilize protein pulses on this diet? I’ve typically done at least two per day. One before breakfast and one before lunch and/or pre-workout.

[quote]smithers584 wrote:
DJS - You look pretty thick in your profile pics, good work. What kind of shape are you in currently compared to your pics? If you are about the same, it doesnt look like you have very far to go before looking pretty lean.

I think I have my weekly cals right now, so I am hoping for slightly better results the next four weeks. Plus, I am getting some cardio in everyday, not always hard and heavy, but some everyday to just help that extra little bit.

I do have to admit, there is someting about this diet and my increase in strength. In such a cal deficit, I thought I would be half assing my training sessions everyday. Instead, I am able to train harder and harder every week I get in. That has been the most impressive thing about this diet, or maybe I am just that much more focused. If I am going to spend 8 weeks tracking every calorie I eat, you best believe I am not going to mess it up by half assing it in the gym![/quote]

Yeah… i think bodyfat was in the same ballpark when I started last week. Lets see how it goes. Best of luck over the next 4 weeks. I didn’t do any cardio last year. I’m going to do a lot of things differently this year.

[quote]DJS wrote:

Last year I lost 2.5 inches on my waist and gained a half inch on my arms… all with a net bodyweight loss of only 3 lb ish. Then I screwed it up and brought my cals too low. I think i needed to be more patient at moderate calorie levels. This time I’m going to take my time with it. The pics in my profile are “before” I started the AD last year. So it wasn’t like I was “fat” or “untrained” to start. [/quote]

how low did you go? and what was your body weight at the time?

[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Tams - you are the suck when it comes to quoting haha! It works better if you type what you want to say after the second [/quote] thing or whatever it is. That way what I said appears in grey, while yours is distinguished outside in yellow.

Oh my god cant work this thing. Hve you had your bio-sig done, storing fat around the mid section maybe an in balance in your hormonal profile, usualy cortisol, is your body stressed by not enough sleep, over ttraining, what ever the out come you can get natural supps to support the prob which would go hand in hand with the diet i would imagine. Just an idea but of course you may have already donr this?? Tams

Oh yeah any one that knows. Yesterday i was eating rasberries. the nutritional content to 100 grams was 4.7g sugars/carbs and 6.5g fibre. Yum i ate lots with cream. I was no where near 30g for the dy so even if it wasnt that much fibre its cool but was curious as to what your nutrition tables say for rasberries? Thanks
Tams

[quote]Vegetable Man wrote:

[quote]DJS wrote:

Last year I lost 2.5 inches on my waist and gained a half inch on my arms… all with a net bodyweight loss of only 3 lb ish. Then I screwed it up and brought my cals too low. I think i needed to be more patient at moderate calorie levels. This time I’m going to take my time with it. The pics in my profile are “before” I started the AD last year. So it wasn’t like I was “fat” or “untrained” to start. [/quote]

how low did you go? and what was your body weight at the time?
[/quote]

Hmm… I don’t remember exactly. I wish i kept better records of it now. But to understand I guess you have to walk the walk of the progress I was getting. As I stated I started at 18 x BW. I didn’t do any cardio and i ate whatever I wanted on the weekends. I dropped 1000 cals a week. So 200 cals per day during the 5 day low carb and kept weekends the same and I kept droping 1/4 inch a week on my waist like clockwork. Arms went up as I said… strength went up. It was going great. Trying to think back… I think i got down to like 2300 or 2100 cals at a body weight of 188-190ish. At that point… strength tanked… lost the gains in my arms… wasn’t getting any leaner… got caught up with other stuff and after 5+ months i didn’t want to do it anymore. The end.

I got used to being able to eat whatever I wanted on the weekends and still seeing progress. I didn’t want to and didn’t think I had to give that up. I didn’t want to do cardio because i was worried it would use up my glycogen stores during the week.

So long story short is I felt great on the diet at higher calorie and protein numbers and my body responded very well to it. I’m doing the diet again to focus on what I felt worked for me best last year. I’m gonna stay in a surplus and lift hard and see what happens. I can do that long term. I’ll add cardio as needed.

If and when I cut again… I’ll add in cardio and whittle down my carbups. from 2 days to 1… to 6 hours… etc.

[quote]tams88 wrote:

[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Tams - you are the suck when it comes to quoting haha! It works better if you type what you want to say after the second [/quote] thing or whatever it is. That way what I said appears in grey, while yours is distinguished outside in yellow.

Oh my god cant work this thing. Hve you had your bio-sig done, storing fat around the mid section maybe an in balance in your hormonal profile, usualy cortisol, is your body stressed by not enough sleep, over ttraining, what ever the out come you can get natural supps to support the prob which would go hand in hand with the diet i would imagine. Just an idea but of course you may have already donr this?? Tams[/quote]

I have no idea what a Bio-Sig is. I am somewhat stressed most of the time, but that is due to the enormous amount of work I have at school (BS in Mechanical Engineering) and trying to keep my GPA high, while training, while being married, while working, and drilling with my Air National Guard Unit. I really dont ever get a break, I dont sleep good at all, but I get what I feel is enough to keep me going. I just figure its the nature of the beast right now. I think I handle the stress in a positive way though, I mean I dont stress out like most people do, I just feel the weight on my shoulders.

Smithers, bingo i hit the jack pot! Bio sig is Charles Poliquin’s multiple point caliper test. It gives an acurate profile of hormones and which are out of balance causing weight gain in particular parts of the body. Listening to your short description of stress this is what is causing excess cortisol excretion, resulting in weight gain around the middle.

Wether mentaly you are able to cope with stress or not your body has its own defence mechanisms. Lack of sleep: should be sleeping 10.30 to 6.30. This is when your body repairs obviously, using certain times with in that space for parts of body, say you stay up with your mates/wife well past midnight that repair time is now lost stressing your body further.

Get my point?
Sorry to go on but think this might help you. Tams

[quote]tams88 wrote:

Smithers, bingo i hit the jack pot! Bio sig is Charles Poliquin’s multiple point caliper test. It gives an acurate profile of hormones and which are out of balance causing weight gain in particular parts of the body. Listening to your short description of stress this is what is causing excess cortisol excretion, resulting in weight gain around the middle.

Wether mentaly you are able to cope with stress or not your body has its own defence mechanisms. Lack of sleep: should be sleeping 10.30 to 6.30. This is when your body repairs obviously, using certain times with in that space for parts of body, say you stay up with your mates/wife well past midnight that repair time is now lost stressing your body further.

Get my point?
Sorry to go on but think this might help you. Tams[/quote]

I thought “wow - I thought I was burning the candle at both ends” 'til I saw smither’s post…

I’ve been interested in trying Bio Sig for a while. How would I go about finding a practitioner in the area I live and how much does it generally cost just to get the caliper stuff done (roughly - I realize it might vary)? I’m actually kind of skeptical but hey if it’s cheap enough…

Fade where do you live? It is worth it, i thought it was shit when i first heard but i have seen first hand results. Not personaly but many pt clients. Type ‘charles poliquin bio-signature’ in to google you will be able to find someone near you. Im english and prices range from about £30-£40 round here. How’s the diet treating you in general?

BioSig Link:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/TheBiosignatureMethod/TheMethod.aspx

I might check it out, if I can find someone near me.

[quote]tams88 wrote:

Fade where do you live? It is worth it, i thought it was shit when i first heard but i have seen first hand results. Not personaly but many pt clients. Type ‘charles poliquin bio-signature’ in to google you will be able to find someone near you. Im english and prices range from about Ã?£30-Ã?£40 round here. How’s the diet treating you in general?[/quote]

Minnesota. I have not done a carb-up yet (on day 45) so technically I guess I’m not on the AD yet, ha. Looking forward to that this Saturday tho. But so far so good on the low-carb part. I’m more vascular than I have been in a long time but am actually up a couple of pounds from the low mark so I’m thinking that’s muscle.

[quote]smithers584 wrote:
BioSig Link:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/TheBiosignatureMethod/TheMethod.aspx

I might check it out, if I can find someone near me. [/quote]

Thank you both for the info. on BioSig.

[quote]tams88 wrote:

[quote]talenaah wrote:
haaa, yes, i’m a chick and i do know how to spell (bean=been) oops.

um, i didn’t specify ONE glass of wine…ha!! it’s been a bit more on some weekends due to special circumstances but i intend to get it in check. my food has been great and i think i was just over in cals by 200 or so a day, so i’m trying to cut that down with a couple low days here and there.

i was averaging about 1800 a day, now i’m going to knock that down a tad. i lift heavy for the most part and do a decent bit of metabolic work so for me, eating 1400 or less every day will NOT work.

i will start posting here so maybe i can get some insight from you all. :slight_smile: thanks![/quote]

Cool glad not the only girl now. Whats your bf and goals etc? dont think the bulk of it is about reducing kcals but waving them like you say, feel lean today but hungry as a low day going to bed so i wont eat!
[/quote]

hi there…i’ve come down with a pretty bad cold so sticking to the AD is not really an option for a few days til i get over this bug. i’m probably about 22-24% BF. 5’ 5" 148 with some solid muscle under a little fluff. i store fat more so on my upper body (arms/back) there is pic in my hub that was taken in oct or so. (i also have a log in Powerful Women) i’m not sure how many pounds i need to lose to get as lean as i would like, but i’m thinking that # would be about 135-138. which is not much to lose, but definitely the “last 10” are a bitch!

and yes, cycling cals is generally a great way to go. so bummed i got sick, i finally saw a drop last week to 146 on the scale and wanted to kill it on nutrition this week.

[quote]smithers584 wrote:

I have no idea what a Bio-Sig is. I am somewhat stressed most of the time, but that is due to the enormous amount of work I have at school (BS in Mechanical Engineering) and trying to keep my GPA high, while training, while being married, while working, and drilling with my Air National Guard Unit. I really dont ever get a break, I dont sleep good at all, but I get what I feel is enough to keep me going. I just figure its the nature of the beast right now. I think I handle the stress in a positive way though, I mean I dont stress out like most people do, I just feel the weight on my shoulders.[/quote]

wow, props to you. i can’t imagine! keep up the good work.