Thanks a lot. I’ll make sure to be precise about the carbs. It’s a relief to know a month is a short time as these things go.
I’m just trying to see where I can get; right now, lifts come first for me, appearance second. No intention of doing the whole Figure Athlete-style thing. (BTW I’m 5’6’'.)
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Another belief of mine is that for some people undisciplined carb loads can adversely effect insulin function even after the load days have past. If somebody is very low carb all week and then eats twinkies and captain crunch washed down with mountain dew all day on Saturday that may not be received well by somebody’s endocrine system, especially if repeated consistently. Some people can do that, but I don’t think they’re as common as is sometimes believed.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by it adversely effecting insulin function and the endocrine system? When I was cutting with it I went for a period of hours on the refeed instead of the whole day but was basically all out on carbs totaling about 800g or so. I would think that would maybe have been the problem but on the other hand I know plenty of guys who compete who put down 1000+ grams while on their cut following a keto diet with a once a week refeed so I don’t know if that was really the problem.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
If it’s any encouragement my wife has been eating this way almost as long as I have. She doesn’t train, but she’s very active. I cannot put weight on her. She’s 5’6, like 118-120 and eats like an absolute horse. I’ve never figured her calories, but she has to be 3 to 4 grand a day.[/quote]
Man thats pretty nuts for a woman.
By the way you mentioned about 4,000 calories when you started. Was that just enough to keep weight pretty constant at that point? You also said it took about 3 months before you felt the same every day…maybe I’m different but I never really felt significantly different from when I started to months into it…always felt pretty good from the start (maybe I adapted faster?)
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Thanks a lot. I’ll make sure to be precise about the carbs. It’s a relief to know a month is a short time as these things go.
I’m just trying to see where I can get; right now, lifts come first for me, appearance second. No intention of doing the whole Figure Athlete-style thing. (BTW I’m 5’6’'.)[/quote]
How lean are you looking to get. Just from looking at your pics I can’t see a reason for you to get leaner unless it was for some figure competition or something. You don’t really have any areas that noticeably need to lose fat or anything.
I honestly don’t know; I’m new to this world & new to any kind of regimented eating. My “default” – what feels natural to me – involves a lot more crap than anyone on this site would even dream of eating, so I got the impression from reading around that I at least ought to be paying some attention to it. I might be happy with the way I am as is or a little different. Sometimes I wonder if I’m making a mistake, but I’m stubborn enough that I want to stick with the AD at least till the end of the summer.
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
- involves a lot more crap than anyone on this site would even dream of eating[/quote]
You must not have been around here very long 
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad. i have said this before but i have to say it again. im starting to get sick of eating like this(no im not ill.) ive looked at the meal plans. they have great variety but i honestly cant chug all that down with three meals.
the best one i tried following was the 4 tbsp of evoo guy. but after a week of olive in my protein shake, my body is so sensitive and can taste so strong of even one drop of olive oil. the one question i would really appreciate someone answering is the first one. i honestly havent found any feedback from any big bodybuilders about this diet.
there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad. i have said this before but i have to say it again. im starting to get sick of eating like this(no im not ill.) ive looked at the meal plans. they have great variety but i honestly cant chug all that down with three meals. the best one i tried following was the 4 tbsp of evoo guy. but after a week of olive in my protein shake, my body is so sensitive and can taste so strong of even one drop of olive oil. the one question i would really appreciate someone answering is the first one. i honestly havent found any feedback from any big bodybuilders about this diet. there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help. [/quote]
I was hesitant to start this type of diet for bodybuilding purposes as well. However I am now 3 weeks in and am already putting on weight at a steady pace. I competed just over a month ago at 165lbs, binge ate for 2 weeks and blew up to 190. 3 weeks in to the AD eating ~6000kcals I am sitting at 200lbs today and will carb up tomorrow, probably to about 205 so I can tell you if you are looking for bulk out of this diet it is possible. If your having problems getting the calories in from the EVOO then try using light olive oil, the taste is much less overwhelming and you can use it on your salads etc… I like it with olive oil and some Franks red hot sauce on a pile of spinach. I have also found that heavy whipping cream completely covers up the taste and you can throw just about anything into your shake if its in there. I have been using 30ml of whipping cream and 60ml of EVOO (and this is horrendously tasting EVOO when used alone) and it tastes great, even covers up the taste of leucine powder. I have also stayed lean and havent put on any noticeable fat over the last 3 weeks, and I am sure that my results will continue to improve as my body becomes more adapted to this diet. BTW I started my contest prep 18 weeks ago at 205 and now around the same weight, I am much more lean and muscular 200+lbs than I was before.
My diet looks like this:
Meal A 3x/d
6 eggs, celery, 30g cheddar cheese, flax seed, fish oil
Meal B 2x/d
170g lean beef w/fat, 60g cheese, spinach, EVOO, flax seed, fish oil
Post workout shake
whey protein
Before bed w/ last meal
Casein, whipping cream, evoo, flax seed, fish oil
I also go out for wings 1-2 nights a week instead of a meal and consume 30+.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad. i have said this before but i have to say it again. im starting to get sick of eating like this(no im not ill.) ive looked at the meal plans. they have great variety but i honestly cant chug all that down with three meals.
the best one i tried following was the 4 tbsp of evoo guy. but after a week of olive in my protein shake, my body is so sensitive and can taste so strong of even one drop of olive oil. the one question i would really appreciate someone answering is the first one. i honestly havent found any feedback from any big bodybuilders about this diet.
there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help. [/quote]
Why are you only eating 3 meals per day?
Yes there are some big >200lb. guys on the AD I know of so I’m sure there are even more I don’t know of
Use “Light in Taste” Olive Oil. I think I mentioned that before.
[quote]colinphenom wrote:
My diet looks like this:
Meal A 3x/d
6 eggs, celery, 30g cheddar cheese, flax seed, fish oil
Meal B 2x/d
170g lean beef w/fat, 60g cheese, spinach, EVOO, flax seed, fish oil
Post workout shake
whey protein
Before bed w/ last meal
Casein, whipping cream, evoo, flax seed, fish oil
I also go out for wings 1-2 nights a week instead of a meal and consume 30+.
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thats almost 6,000 calories? How much fat and protein total? Must be using a lot of that oil
[quote]vcjha wrote:
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad.
there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help. [/quote]
Last I checked, DH was about…oh, 264# and sport’n 20"+ pipes.
He’s built himself a ‘real bodybuilder’ type physique.
Ain’t that right, DH?
ya big lug, you
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Another belief of mine is that for some people undisciplined carb loads can adversely effect insulin function even after the load days have past. If somebody is very low carb all week and then eats twinkies and captain crunch washed down with mountain dew all day on Saturday that may not be received well by somebody’s endocrine system, especially if repeated consistently. Some people can do that, but I don’t think they’re as common as is sometimes believed.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by it adversely effecting insulin function and the endocrine system? When I was cutting with it I went for a period of hours on the refeed instead of the whole day but was basically all out on carbs totaling about 800g or so. I would think that would maybe have been the problem but on the other hand I know plenty of guys who compete who put down 1000+ grams while on their cut following a keto diet with a once a week refeed so I don’t know if that was really the problem.
Tiribulus wrote:
If it’s any encouragement my wife has been eating this way almost as long as I have. She doesn’t train, but she’s very active. I cannot put weight on her. She’s 5’6, like 118-120 and eats like an absolute horse. I’ve never figured her calories, but she has to be 3 to 4 grand a day.
Man thats pretty nuts for a woman.
By the way you mentioned about 4,000 calories when you started. Was that just enough to keep weight pretty constant at that point? You also said it took about 3 months before you felt the same every day…maybe I’m different but I never really felt significantly different from when I started to months into it…always felt pretty good from the start (maybe I adapted faster?)[/quote]
It’s another one of those things I can’t really prove and if true I’m sure doesn’t apply to everybody. There were a bunch of people in the old thread who reported getting fatter even though they seemed to be doing everything right and not getting excessive calories, but to a man would bombard themselves with low quality sugary carbs all weekend. I got to thinking maybe those nuclear sugar assaults were screwing up the way they metabolize energy in general which is what fat adaptation is all about and that is all about the endocrine system.
4000 calories a day back then was enough to make optimal gains. I was 40 pounds lighter. As I progressed I consistently raised the intake enough for the gains to remain steady. Usually I would overshoot a bit, get a little softer at first and when I started getting leaner I’d boost the calories again. The goal is to keep a solid buffer between maintenance and growth. I’m more worried about my muscles than I am BF. This is my last hurrah. I do not have 10 years to waist piddling around worrying about being a little blurry. I want to get as big as I can before I die.
That isn’t to say I eat with abandon either though. Not being a kid anymore and not having the greatest insulin sensitivity in history I do have to be smart because when it comes time to cut the fat it isn’t going to be as easy to get rid of once I get down toward 10% as it would be if I were 10 years younger.
It’s tough to say why someone specific responds the way they do, yourself in this case. What you are saying is unusual though to say the least. The biggest complaint is rubbery legs and lack of energy in general, but so few people stick with it, it’s always somebody pretty new to this way eating.
Dr. Pasquale has an article on his site that claims carbs can be detrimental post-workout. Read it first before you reply. The science is good, & I am debating on reducing the total load on carb-up days as well. Any thoughts?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
It’s another one of those things I can’t really prove and if true I’m sure doesn’t apply to everybody. There were a bunch of people in the old thread who reported getting fatter even though they seemed to be doing everything right and not getting excessive calories, but to a man would bombard themselves with low quality sugary carbs all weekend. I got to thinking maybe those nuclear sugar assaults were screwing up the way they metabolize energy in general which is what fat adaptation is all about and that is all about the endocrine system.
4000 calories a day back then was enough to make optimal gains. I was 40 pounds lighter. As I progressed I consistently raised the intake enough for the gains to remain steady. Usually I would overshoot a bit, get a little softer at first and when I started getting leaner I’d boost the calories again. The goal is to keep a solid buffer between maintenance and growth. I’m more worried about my muscles than I am BF. This is my last hurrah. I do not have 10 years to waist piddling around worrying about being a little blurry. I want to get as big as I can before I die.
That isn’t to say I eat with abandon either though. Not being a kid anymore and not having the greatest insulin sensitivity in history I do have to be smart because when it comes time to cut the fat it isn’t going to be as easy to get rid of once I get down toward 10% as it would be if I were 10 years younger.
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Well I was about 160 when I really did it first. Jumped upto 3900 calories too quickly and you said you were only at 4000 at 200lb. so it’s likely 3200 or so would have been a better start for me but I didn’t think about the water loss.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote
It’s tough to say why someone specific responds the way they do, yourself in this case. What you are saying is unusual though to say the least. The biggest complaint is rubbery legs and lack of energy in general, but so few people stick with it, it’s always somebody pretty new to this way eating.
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What exactly did I say that you think is unusual? lol I said a lot I don’t know exactly which thing your referring to.
By the way just a hypothetical here: If you had 2 people, one guy who did a strict AD for 3 months with a saturday carb up and then switched to having carbs peri-workout do you think at the 6 month point he’d be getting different results from someone who just started with carbs peri-workout to begin with and was now 3-6 months in?
thank you to all of u for the quick replies. i have the motivation again to do this diet. ill tell u a few things: 3 meals a day is even hard now as im gradually trying to get myself to wake up before 12 am, eventually getting at 9 am(i know, it was stupid to stay up late so many nights) it is also hard to get money for the food(no job) from your parents when they dont even support what u are eating.
i will try to get at least 4-5 meals in. i know in order to get my parents’ support, i should eat a variety of foods, not take much time eating or cooking the food, and choose mostly healthy foods. if i have all of those down, my parents will never mind buying me food for this diet.
if there is a few things ive noticed, one, i hate eating bacon and hot dogs, and i need variety everyday in what i eat as i used to eat the same foods day in day out. on the subject of bulking, given the best choice of diet, which will be the fastest way to reach 190 7% body fat? is it bulking then cutting, or as dr di pasquale said which is gain muscle and lose fat a the same time? some people say it’s easier to bulk then cut, but im just looking for effiency and accuracy.
the difficulty doesnt matter to me. i can put in hard and dedicated work to bodybuilding for three months if that’s what it takes to be halfway to my goal. sorry if it’s long. thanks again, fellow ad’ers.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
<<< What exactly did I say that you think is unusual? lol I said a lot I don’t know exactly which thing your referring to.[/quote]
It’s unusual for people to not have energy fluctuation for a while or other transitory weirdness. You said you felt the same form the beginning.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
By the way just a hypothetical here: If you had 2 people, one guy who did a strict AD for 3 months with a saturday carb up and then switched to having carbs peri-workout do you think at the 6 month point he’d be getting different results from someone who just started with carbs peri-workout to begin with and was now 3-6 months in?[/quote]
This is a great question actually. My view is that it’s a mistake to assume at the start you are one day going to do anything specific. That is, one may never need more carbs during the week at all. In my case I found that making depletion by the end of the week a firm goal didn’t serve me as well simply making very sure I stayed very adapted and loosened up A BIT. Like I say a little around workouts and simply not being fanatical about trace. Others, like IlCazzo, kept cho to 30 or below all the time during the week, even after years, and sometimes he loaded like a madman and sometimes barely at all.
The point of waiting a good while is to be sure the information you’re basing your plans on is truly representative of what your long term results are. In other words if you make a decision to tweak this or that because you feel this or that way and what you’re basing it on is just a symptom of not being fully adapted you could potentially have months or even years of less than optimal results because the premise for the decision may have been deceptive.
The long and short is that some people may fully adapt by months faster or slower than others but there’s not usually a reliable way to be sure without a time frame that overshoots you certainly into that state. Did I just make any sense? I’m trying to do 3 things at once.
I kind of get what your saying, not entirely answering the question but I think I get what you mean lol.
As for me not feeling different, I guess it’s a little strange but I’ve talked to others who said they never felt bad during the transition too. I felt fine with steady energy at <30g carbs during the week and these last 2 weeks with 75-100g of carbs a day I’ve felt almost exactly the same as far as hunger and energy go. The only time I’ve really noticed a difference in energy swings was occasionally when I would eat a TON of high GI carbs and back a few years ago in school I remember I would have a chicken sandwhich on 2 slices of WW bread and about an hour later I’d always be so damn tired…might have just been the boring class though lol.
Also 2 years ago doing a cut with low carbs but not low enough to be fat adapted (or high enough fat to be) I was always tired as hell but I think that had more to do with me running something like 6 days a week in addition to 3 full body workouts and low calories
im sorry, was it something i said? seems like i can only get the first post answered. all the others, nobody cares about.
Uh… seriously?
Read the original AD thread and check my posts. I’m 260+
It works quite well…if you work it well…
Anyone wanting to do this needs to know what they are doing.
DH
[quote]vcjha wrote:
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad. i have said this before but i have to say it again. im starting to get sick of eating like this(no im not ill.) ive looked at the meal plans. they have great variety but i honestly cant chug all that down with three meals.
the best one i tried following was the 4 tbsp of evoo guy. but after a week of olive in my protein shake, my body is so sensitive and can taste so strong of even one drop of olive oil. the one question i would really appreciate someone answering is the first one. i honestly havent found any feedback from any big bodybuilders about this diet.
there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help. [/quote]
I’m gonna need a dozen eggs with all that butter PauliD just gave me. ;0
DH
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
vcjha wrote:
alright, im jus about to go off ad, not tryna hate. but not tryna be stupid, but is anyone on the ad a true bodybuilder? i know the diet is great for burning fat and all, but i dont see anyone >190 lb bulking on the ad.
there’s alotta claims i love about the diet but i care about results, not studies, not science, not claims, results. im not tryna be annoying. i just want to finally reach my goal without being skeptical and staying up till 4 am trying to find true-and-tried bodybuilding info. thanks to all who help.
Last I checked, DH was about…oh, 264# and sport’n 20"+ pipes.
He’s built himself a ‘real bodybuilder’ type physique.
Ain’t that right, DH?
ya big lug, you[/quote]
[quote]vcjha wrote:
<<< bulking then cutting, or as dr di pasquale said which is gain muscle and lose fat a the same time? some people say it’s easier to bulk then cut, but im just looking for effiency and accuracy. >>>[/quote]
This will always be my answer to this question. This is quoted a post from a couple years ago"
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
My muscles tell me how much to eat, not my body fat.
When they’re doing what I want that’s how much I have to eat and that’s how much bodyfat I have to put up with.
When they don’t, I eat more and same as above.
If I found myself getting fatter without a corresponding response from my muscles I’d eat less.
All I need now is 2000 studies and a million armchair experts to help me make that more complicated.[/quote]
As for you and this diet? If it is going to be this monstrous a chore for you you will not stick with it. No insult intended whatsoever, I’ve just seen this too many times.