My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part II

Hi there,

It’s been a month now that I am following the AD and I feel great, my energy levels are always on top. Well, everything is great, but…

   -> I was wondering did anyone who had acne issues when being a teenager start having such problems again after turning to this diet (I would guess due to an increase in test caused by the amount of fats taken in); pure curiosity.

[quote]AlexD wrote:
Hi there,

It’s been a month now that I am following the AD and I feel great, my energy levels are always on top. Well, everything is great, but…

   -> I was wondering did anyone who had acne issues when being a teenager start having such problems again after turning to this diet (I would guess due to an increase in test caused by the amount of fats taken in); pure curiosity.[/quote]

Yea and we seem to be the only ones with this problem lol. I definitely noticed a huge increase in acne the first time I did a CKD and then when I went back to a more keto-like diet later on it came back again. Luckily I got accutane so it’s not a problem anymore but it sucked when I had it

You’ll have to forgive me, but with that SIZE of these two AD threads it’s hard to find specific information. (I’ve done a few searches too)

Is a semi-comprehensive list of recommended foods anywhere? I’ve got my diet idea set up…but want to see if I’m missing anything.

[quote]B rocK wrote:
You’ll have to forgive me, but with that SIZE of these two AD threads it’s hard to find specific information. (I’ve done a few searches too)

Is a semi-comprehensive list of recommended foods anywhere? I’ve got my diet idea set up…but want to see if I’m missing anything. [/quote]

Here’s a great site with a pretty comprehensive list of foods: http://stronglifts.com/the-ultimate-anabolic-diet-food-list-101-foods-you-can-eat/
I’m not sure how to make it a link that you can just click, so you’ll have to copy n’ paste that address into your browser. :wink:
Anyway, I really like this guy’s take on the AD, so it’s worth checking out the whole site. If you wanted to post your meal plans so far, I’m sure some of us would be happy to look at it and offer some tips.

Edit: Hey it did the link! Yay!!! :smiley:

Okay guys, I have a dilemma!!! Help!!!
I had some peroidontal surgery on friday, and I’m on a “soft foods” diet for about a week. Friday was fine, I slept most of the day and just drank protein shakes, so no big deal. Saturday was my carb-load, so oatmeal, yogurt, and pudding was the menu de jour.

Now sunday was where I ran into problems. I had scrambled eggs, cottage cheese, sugar-free jello, and hard-boiled eggs cut into pieces… and then I tried a hamburger cut into pieces but it hurt to chew!!! :frowning: I’m freakin’ starving, but it seems like most AD foods require a lot of chewing. Even cheese is difficult right now. I have to confess, I broke down and had a bowl of oatmeal after my workout this morning. Now I feel like I cheated on my husband or something!!! LOL!!!
Any ideas for some soft AD food? Besides eggs? lol
Thanks! :smiley:

Tuna salad?

Also, I need some advice on non-awful carbs. Last weekend’s carb-up was literally ice cream, cookie dough, and a PB&J. And I’m worried I’m not making any progress (on physique stuff; my lifts are getting better, of course.)

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Tuna salad?

Also, I need some advice on non-awful carbs. Last weekend’s carb-up was literally ice cream, cookie dough, and a PB&J. And I’m worried I’m not making any progress (on physique stuff; my lifts are getting better, of course.)[/quote]

Do you care more about following the diet strictly, or about staying sane? If it’s the latter, just go and eat what you want as long as your calorie totals aren’t crazy. If it’s the former, follow the usual advice on good carbs - whole wheat bread and pasta, brown rice, oatmeal and fruit.

Last week I was kind of going nuts, but I think from now on I can stick to the good stuff.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Tuna salad?

Also, I need some advice on non-awful carbs. Last weekend’s carb-up was literally ice cream, cookie dough, and a PB&J. And I’m worried I’m not making any progress (on physique stuff; my lifts are getting better, of course.)[/quote]

My load days are largely beans, steamed red potatoes and sweet potatoes and fruit. I have insulin sensitivity issues that make it a bad idea for me to eat much sugary or grain based carbs though. I also divorced my taste buds (for the most part) a long time ago. I eat 98% for pure function with taste being a bonus on occasion.

Beans. I keep forgetting beans. Thanks, that’s good advice.

[quote]sunshne wrote:
Okay guys, I have a dilemma!!! Help!!!
I had some peroidontal surgery on friday, and I’m on a “soft foods” diet for about a week. Friday was fine, I slept most of the day and just drank protein shakes, so no big deal. Saturday was my carb-load, so oatmeal, yogurt, and pudding was the menu de jour.

Now sunday was where I ran into problems. I had scrambled eggs, cottage cheese, sugar-free jello, and hard-boiled eggs cut into pieces… and then I tried a hamburger cut into pieces but it hurt to chew!!! :frowning: I’m freakin’ starving, but it seems like most AD foods require a lot of chewing. Even cheese is difficult right now. I have to confess, I broke down and had a bowl of oatmeal after my workout this morning. Now I feel like I cheated on my husband or something!!! LOL!!!
Any ideas for some soft AD food? Besides eggs? lol
Thanks! :D[/quote]

The food processor is my best friend. Everything goes in there. meat, fish, eggs, veggies, nuts, evoo etc.

If the link doesn’t call the right page, it’s on the 3rd page almost all the way down.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Beans. I keep forgetting beans. Thanks, that’s good advice.[/quote]

Beans are good food. Cheap and nutritious.

Lotsa fiber, very steady low GI/GL carb source, some micros and protein, though the protein is incomplete.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Last week I was kind of going nuts, but I think from now on I can stick to the good stuff.[/quote]

I have recently started doing a one day carb up, and really hammering it for the one day! I ate a little over 1000 grams of carbs sat. I am eating about 1800cal/day during the week and the combination of these two things is really working great! I read about the huge carb up on another thread here. It is supposed to force your metabolism to crank up.

Alisa, I miss your old avatar. Can we have it back?

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
sunshne wrote:
Okay guys, I have a dilemma!!! Help!!!
I had some peroidontal surgery on friday, and I’m on a “soft foods” diet for about a week. Friday was fine, I slept most of the day and just drank protein shakes, so no big deal. Saturday was my carb-load, so oatmeal, yogurt, and pudding was the menu de jour.

Now sunday was where I ran into problems. I had scrambled eggs, cottage cheese, sugar-free jello, and hard-boiled eggs cut into pieces… and then I tried a hamburger cut into pieces but it hurt to chew!!! :frowning: I’m freakin’ starving, but it seems like most AD foods require a lot of chewing. Even cheese is difficult right now. I have to confess, I broke down and had a bowl of oatmeal after my workout this morning. Now I feel like I cheated on my husband or something!!! LOL!!!
Any ideas for some soft AD food? Besides eggs? lol
Thanks! :smiley:

The food processor is my best friend. Everything goes in there. meat, fish, eggs, veggies, nuts, evoo etc.

If the link doesn’t call the right page, it’s on the 3rd page almost all the way down.[/quote]

Wow Trib, Anabolic Glop, hunh? Looks like shit, rofl! No offense, of course! :smiley: If I can get past the gross-out factor, I will definitely give that a try. The meat is raw, yes? Hmmmm… definitely something to think about, thanks so much!

I’ve gone AWOL around Thanksgiving to Christmas before due to crazy scheduling and whatnot. The worst digestive distress, lethargy, and water fluctuations of my life. Without a doubt I’m built for Pro and Fat and many others are too. I agree with CP that the majority of people will fare far better on a cyclic carb diet. Everybody just wants to be the exception or doesn’t give it enough time to fully adapt or the ever popular lack of calories.

DH

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
DH wrote:
Ketosis becomes a nonissue after youve adapted and you take in a large CHO load on a consistent basis. Ketones are used but the emphasis is not the same as a ketogenic diet. Doc tries to distance himself from that label and call it a phase shift diet.

And as far as loading on dirtier carbs and more fat, that is HIGHLY individual. Mauro emphasizes repeatedly that this depends on your goals, bodyfat levels, and when you start to smooth out.

Best,
DH>>>

I do best on clean carbs and a bit more fat on load days. Very individual indeed. I remember my first week almost 3 years ago now when you told me to just follow the plan as is in the book for 3 months at a bare minimum before thinking I had any idea what specific adjustments may be useful. You were absolutely correct and I was actually in my 5th month before I started having a grip on how I responded to what.

I’ve repeated that advice more times than I can count since then (giving you credit of course).

Haven’t seen Il Cazzo in a while. He did go on a v-diet splurge for a minute there a while ago though. Man I can’t imagine what that would do to ME at this point. I’ve never adapted back to carbs and have no intention of ever doing so. I don’t know if he did either. He was years in. Maybe he didn’t adapt back either.

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[quote]sunshne wrote:
The meat is raw, yes? Hmmmm… definitely something to think about, thanks so much!

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Meat is lightly sautéed. Liver (3 times a week) is raw and all veggies are raw. I started doing 2 of the 8 (or sometimes 9) eggs raw as well. A calculated risk.

I’m so used to it I don’t even notice the taste any more, seriously.

It’s tough to beat for convenience. A meal, a real muscle building meal in like 2 minutes. It also digest very efficiently.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Tuna salad?

Also, I need some advice on non-awful carbs. Last weekend’s carb-up was literally ice cream, cookie dough, and a PB&J. And I’m worried I’m not making any progress (on physique stuff; my lifts are getting better, of course.)[/quote]

Thanks Alisa! I had some tuna with a bit of cottage cheese mixed in for lunch, nice and soft. :slight_smile:

I like to eat a lot of the “forbidden” fruits and veggies during my carb load. So banannas, apples, melons, dried fruit, etc… Usually on top of plain yogurt. Another clean fave is white corn and black beans, with a few tablespoons of salasa, on a whole wheat wrap. A good dinner is breaded baked chicken or fish, with rice and peas on the side. Oatmeal pancakes are also a good choice… Really just dig out any of your low-fat clean faves, I’m sure the carb content is pretty high in most of them.

I have found that the lower my kcals are during the week, the harder it is to stay clean during my carb load. It’s like the dam just breaks, and I completely loose self-control! It’s a little easier when I’m at maintainence kcals, then I’m happy with one cheat and the rest is clean. Just my experience. :slight_smile:

[quote]DH wrote:
<<< or doesn’t give it enough time to fully adapt or the ever popular lack of calories. >>>[/quote]

I all but gave up trying to tell people this. There must be 50 or 75 posts of mine in the old thread suggesting people just give it time. Over and over, the induction is just to get you adapted. It will take several months for full adaptation and for somebody’s physiology to reveal exactly how it’s responding.

The lack of calories thing is always a good one. I have no problem getting 5000-5500 a day almost by accident and could easily add a couple thousand more without much effort.

I have a feeling if I ever tried to adapt back I’d be sick as a dog. I don’t know how some folks “try” this several times adapting back and forth.

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
AlexD wrote:
Hi there,

It’s been a month now that I am following the AD and I feel great, my energy levels are always on top. Well, everything is great, but…

   -> I was wondering did anyone who had acne issues when being a teenager start having such problems again after turning to this diet (I would guess due to an increase in test caused by the amount of fats taken in); pure curiosity.

Yea and we seem to be the only ones with this problem lol. I definitely noticed a huge increase in acne the first time I did a CKD and then when I went back to a more keto-like diet later on it came back again. Luckily I got accutane so it’s not a problem anymore but it sucked when I had it[/quote]

Cheers for the reply, I’ll have to look into how to treat that shit as I’ll probably stay on this type of diet for a while.

Ha! You’re neither, DH -I know better!

The good news is…I ain’t really that handsome -so we’re even

;^)

[quote]DH wrote:
Im cheap and easy. I’ll admit it.

sunshne wrote:
DH wrote:
What happened to my “baby”?! The original thread is locked.

BTW, why didn’t anyone tell me Pauli D was so handsome. :wink:

DH

lol, is that what we have to do to lure you over here?? :wink:

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