My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part II

Nutrition
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[quote]El Sonido wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
Just read the new eat your lungs out article…could it be true that carbs arent ever needed?

You really hate those carbs, huh bk? :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m leaning more towards carb cycling now personally.
And nothing you guys can say will stop me!!

But seriously, I think it will suit me better.
Psychologically and in terms of my lifestyle I don’t feel that the AD (at least for the moment) is ideal for me.

I seem to lose two days (three this week!) when I carb up because I just cannot control myself and I end up gorging uncontrollably.
I’m by no means knocking the AD (the problem definitely lies with me!) because it’s definitely an excellent tool but I’ve gone through the CC thread as well as reading several articles here and there and it seems more suited to me.

I’m definitely going to keep checking in on this thread though for the latest developments! hehe

I took a small bowl of oats (25g CHO) PWO yesterday and I’m going to do the same today.
Tomorrow is an off day so I’ll cut the carbs again then.

Saturday would have been my loading day so would you guys recommend I just treat it as a ‘high’ day? So perhaps 300-400g CHO early on in the day?
It’s my back/biceps day which is a pretty draining workout so I might have a P+F breakfast, work out shortly after and then start the ‘mini-load’ PWO.

Either that or just take 50g CHO or so PWO and keep it smoothed out for a couple of weeks, slowly reintroducing the carbs without any loads.

Thoughts would be greatly appreciated as I’m pretty unsure of the best course of action.[/quote]

I’m in the same boat Sonido…I’ll be cycling with Thibs

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yeah i meant last monday as in the 11th when i started. ive done the 12 days of fat n protein only, so ill start the carb up in the morning.

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Sonido, I’m not loading. I feel like it’s pointless. I’m using this time to keep my insulin levels low except for when it matters (pwo, and that’s it). I’ll be increasing my frequency to every workout shortly…and I’m also going to be reducing fats just a little to make up the caloric difference.

Here’s another point I’d like to address just as sort of a conjecture/notion. Adapting to the AD is a pretty serious change as demonstrated by feeling terrible for a week and then functioning completely fine on an ‘irregular’ diet. Here’s my idea: You’re fat-adapted, and your enzymes are more active…if you bring back carbohydrates as a small part of your diet (like switching the roles of carb to fat with regard to energy intake on a ‘typical’ diet), you can get their positive functions while maintaining a much more efficient way to metabolize lipids. I’m not sure if my thinking is scientifically accurate, but it seems to make logical sense.[/quote]

I would say it depends on the degree. If you raise carbs to say 30% of overall calories your definitely not going to be in a fat-adapted state. However, if you do what your doing and keep carbs around workouts thats basically the idea behind a TKD (more a Timed Carb Diet reall) in which case yea I would say your right. Theoretically that seems like the best way to put on muscle IMO however I’ve gained fat with that approach before. You can ignore my experiences though since I gain a lot of fat whatever I do lol

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Hey Tiribulus, great work. Just reading some of your comments back in 2006 only on pg 138/3## you had some great input back then and your comments were always well written & understood. What can you share that you’ve learnt in the last 3 years and waht mods worked best for you. Cheers.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
So your still following this diet Tribulus? What are your goals right now?

Fairly close, some modifications, but still adapted for sure. 3 years in August. Still gaining. About 5500 cals a day. Still not lean, but still not fat. Gains are harder to come by these days not being so young any more, but workin harder than ever.[/quote]

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
nz6stringaxe wrote:
Sonido, I’m not loading. I feel like it’s pointless. I’m using this time to keep my insulin levels low except for when it matters (pwo, and that’s it). I’ll be increasing my frequency to every workout shortly…and I’m also going to be reducing fats just a little to make up the caloric difference.

Here’s another point I’d like to address just as sort of a conjecture/notion. Adapting to the AD is a pretty serious change as demonstrated by feeling terrible for a week and then functioning completely fine on an ‘irregular’ diet. Here’s my idea: You’re fat-adapted, and your enzymes are more active…if you bring back carbohydrates as a small part of your diet (like switching the roles of carb to fat with regard to energy intake on a ‘typical’ diet), you can get their positive functions while maintaining a much more efficient way to metabolize lipids. I’m not sure if my thinking is scientifically accurate, but it seems to make logical sense.

I would say it depends on the degree. If you raise carbs to say 30% of overall calories your definitely not going to be in a fat-adapted state. However, if you do what your doing and keep carbs around workouts thats basically the idea behind a TKD (more a Timed Carb Diet reall) in which case yea I would say your right. Theoretically that seems like the best way to put on muscle IMO however I’ve gained fat with that approach before. You can ignore my experiences though since I gain a lot of fat whatever I do lol[/quote]

This is how Im going to do things. Everything will be PWO. BTW is there a limit to what sort of an insulin spike you can get with Surge? Thinkin on higher carb days to megadose it and then have a carb meal afterwards

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This really is messed up.
My cravings for tomorrow’s carbs are engulfing all my thoughts!

Bagels, Bananas, Oats, Raisins, Sweet Potato. Brown Rice.

I’m so tempted to just do my Back/Bicep workout today so I can have my carbs and be done it, aaahh!

See, this is why it’s such an issue - I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of WILLPOWER - it’s just that mind… I can’t focus on anything! I’ve just been sitting planning tomorrow’s meals - banana bagels, oats+raisins, sweet potato+banana+brown rice. I’m positively QUIVERING with anticipation!

I’ve got around 500-600g CHO to get through which I think is fairly moderate considering some of my other previous gorge-fests.

At the high end I think I’ll be looking at around 600g CHO / 25g Fat / 130g Protein.
(That doesn’t include the F+P in my breakfast).

Oh man I’m THIS close to going and doing my workout and stuffing all that food down in as few hours as possible then just crashing out for the rest of the day…!

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:

This is how Im going to do things. Everything will be PWO. BTW is there a limit to what sort of an insulin spike you can get with Surge? Thinkin on higher carb days to megadose it and then have a carb meal afterwards[/quote]

everything? I’m not saying its a bad approach at all depending on how many carbs your taking in but how are you setting this up throughout the week?

[quote]El Sonido wrote:
This really is messed up.
My cravings for tomorrow’s carbs are engulfing all my thoughts!

Bagels, Bananas, Oats, Raisins, Sweet Potato. Brown Rice.

I’m so tempted to just do my Back/Bicep workout today so I can have my carbs and be done it, aaahh!

See, this is why it’s such an issue - I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of WILLPOWER - it’s just that mind… I can’t focus on anything! I’ve just been sitting planning tomorrow’s meals - banana bagels, oats+raisins, sweet potato+banana+brown rice. I’m positively QUIVERING with anticipation!

I’ve got around 500-600g CHO to get through which I think is fairly moderate considering some of my other previous gorge-fests.

At the high end I think I’ll be looking at around 600g CHO / 25g Fat / 130g Protein.
(That doesn’t include the F+P in my breakfast).

Oh man I’m THIS close to going and doing my workout and stuffing all that food down in as few hours as possible then just crashing out for the rest of the day…!
[/quote]

Get some help man haha. I’m on low calories this week and will be on even lower calories soon and I’m just now starting to get cravings for my weekend carb up but your bulking. When I was bulking with a CKD my carb up was almost just like any other day to me. It tasted better but I was full all the time so I didn’t care much.

Plus the foods you listed suck! lol…

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Hey, has anyone seen Il Cazzo. That big pud hasn’t been around this thread for awhile now. :wink:

Ain’t the AD da bomb!

Best,
DH

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[quote]DH wrote:
Hey, has anyone seen Il Cazzo. That big pud hasn’t been around this thread for awhile now. :wink:

Ain’t the AD da bomb!

Best,
DH
[/quote]

Could you share your experiences with it a little more? When you started, starting stats, how it’s gone, modifications you’ve made, etc…

Thanks

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Will try to do that Monday.

Best,
DH

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
DH wrote:
Hey, has anyone seen Il Cazzo. That big pud hasn’t been around this thread for awhile now. :wink:

Ain’t the AD da bomb!

Best,
DH

Could you share your experiences with it a little more? When you started, starting stats, how it’s gone, modifications you’ve made, etc…

Thanks
[/quote]

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hey guys just a update on myself

i know its only been 2 weeks on protein n fat only, but i got a comment from my gf’s mum saying that she can see my abs more than the last time she saw me. I do agree, i hope this is the ad working lol…

anyways im having trouble eating all these carbs, i used to be able to eat them easy, maybe my stomach has shrunk? i dunno but been eating clean carbs anyways. about to go out for fish n chips with some mates, going to eat the chips :stuck_out_tongue:

I had Surge after my workout today i feel so bloated n gross, maybe i should just stick to protein n carbs only the last few days ive had crazy energy at work, until 2day i was fucking so tired lol.

I never thought id say this but i cant wait to go back to eating minimum carbs!

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This is the end of my 6th week on the AD. I agree with synny on the carbs, I’d kinda rather just leave them out. I am going to shorten the length of my carb up this weekend by starting at lunch today (sat) and stopping sometime mid-day tomorrow. i always hate the last part of Sunday. I started a cut this week, I just dropped about 800-900 cals during the week and it is already working. I think this diet fits me like a glove.

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So if I was to do two loads per week - say, every 3-4 days - does anyone have an idea of an optimal range for grams of CHO?

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[quote]El Sonido wrote:
So if I was to do two loads per week - say, every 3-4 days - does anyone have an idea of an optimal range for grams of CHO?[/quote]

It’s all gonna be about trial and error but if I were you I’d try 3-400g on those days

I gotta say, now that I’m sticking to a complete CKD and have lower weekly calories it’s much harder to restrain from eating more on these carb up days. I have my meals planned out and never cheat, but before when I would be full I’m now still hungry and want to eat 2x as much easily. Thats one thing that’ll be good about the GSD when I start soon…more food on the carb ups :slight_smile:

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
El Sonido wrote:
So if I was to do two loads per week - say, every 3-4 days - does anyone have an idea of an optimal range for grams of CHO?

It’s all gonna be about trial and error but if I were you I’d try 3-400g on those days[/quote]

Ok thanks.
That’s precisely what I had in mind but for some reason it just seemed a little high, I guess I’ll start at 300g and see how I go.

I’m definitely for smaller carb ups - the bloating is just too much for me!

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wow i bought walnuts for the first time 2day, 33g of fat in 1/2 a cup and 3.3g of carbs.

Its polyunsaturated tho, i remember DH saying you need more mono than poly, so ill only half 1/2 a cup a day with tuna and some salad/spinach then, yum!

Also bought light EVOO, which has exact same nutritional profile as normal evoo cept it says its tastes better… the normal one said its cold pressed tho, does that mean the light one is aswsell?

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Here’s another question on olive oil.

I finally bought a tin of it today as I always used the glass bottles.

There were two tins from the same brand: one said for dressing and marinades (extra virgin), and the other said for grilling and sauteeing (pure olive oil) or something like that. What is this suggesting about the differences? Is cooking with pure olive oil actually alright?

PS. I got some Barlean’s Coconut Oil today from BB.com. Yeah, I know the AD says not to use it, but the AD can suck it, I’m afraid. As soon as the oatmeal starts coming back, I’m going to have burgers with bread again instead of several layers of spinach.

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[quote]nz6stringaxe wrote:
Here’s another question on olive oil.

I finally bought a tin of it today as I always used the glass bottles.

There were two tins from the same brand: one said for dressing and marinades (extra virgin), and the other said for grilling and sauteeing (pure olive oil) or something like that. What is this suggesting about the differences? Is cooking with pure olive oil actually alright?

PS. I got some Barlean’s Coconut Oil today from BB.com. Yeah, I know the AD says not to use it, but the AD can suck it, I’m afraid. As soon as the oatmeal starts coming back, I’m going to have burgers with bread again instead of several layers of spinach.[/quote]

It is my understanding that the ‘pure’ olive oil is more refined, processed and probably laden with crap to mask the odor, colour and what not.
I would assume that there is a difference in that the fats have already been wrecked!

I don’t think you’d be doing yourself any favours cooking with either.

I would be curious to know a little more about the extent of the effects of using coconut because I’ve only heard a vague summary.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:

This is how Im going to do things. Everything will be PWO. BTW is there a limit to what sort of an insulin spike you can get with Surge? Thinkin on higher carb days to megadose it and then have a carb meal afterwards

everything? I’m not saying its a bad approach at all depending on how many carbs your taking in but how are you setting this up throughout the week?

El Sonido wrote:
This really is messed up.
My cravings for tomorrow’s carbs are engulfing all my thoughts!

Bagels, Bananas, Oats, Raisins, Sweet Potato. Brown Rice.

I’m so tempted to just do my Back/Bicep workout today so I can have my carbs and be done it, aaahh!

See, this is why it’s such an issue - I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of WILLPOWER - it’s just that mind… I can’t focus on anything! I’ve just been sitting planning tomorrow’s meals - banana bagels, oats+raisins, sweet potato+banana+brown rice. I’m positively QUIVERING with anticipation!

I’ve got around 500-600g CHO to get through which I think is fairly moderate considering some of my other previous gorge-fests.

At the high end I think I’ll be looking at around 600g CHO / 25g Fat / 130g Protein.
(That doesn’t include the F+P in my breakfast).

Oh man I’m THIS close to going and doing my workout and stuffing all that food down in as few hours as possible then just crashing out for the rest of the day…!

Get some help man haha. I’m on low calories this week and will be on even lower calories soon and I’m just now starting to get cravings for my weekend carb up but your bulking. When I was bulking with a CKD my carb up was almost just like any other day to me. It tasted better but I was full all the time so I didn’t care much.

Plus the foods you listed suck! lol…[/quote]

What I meant was that yea I’m essentially just going to eat carbs only peri-W/O. Carb-loads really take over my mind as El Sonido has so passionatelt described for us and I hate being “out of control.” And it’s not really fun…I don’t want to equate food with fun anyway…i like looking at food as nourishment

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So for anyone who’s vaguely interested, my routine is coming together and is looking like this:

(The carbs will come in immediately PWO and I’ll probably just cram until I hit my target amount, I’ve decided to range it from 300-400g depending on sources and how I feel).

1
Back/biceps
300-400g CHO

2
Upper chest/triceps

3 -
AM Cardio before breakfast
Abs

4 -
Legs
300-400g CHO

5 -
Shoulders

6 -
Lower chest

7 -
AM Cardio before breakfast
Abs

For the record, my carb intake is usually <15g on the low carb days, not intentionally, it just seems to end up this way even going through 300-450g spinach a day plus the usual eggs, PB etc…

I’m going to run this for 4-6 weeks and see how I go - I really am a complete beginner both to training and regimented dieting so I may decide in a couple of weeks to mix it up.

Another consideration is that going straight into a 5-day split has been hard work!
I’m just about getting by but I really do need my rest days so I might add in the occasional TWO day rest period, in which case I’ll probably just keep these as low carb days and if a load happens to fall on one of these days I’ll do my best to abstain from gorging hehe.

This is all probably quite irrelevent but the two weekly ‘mini-loads’ (or just ‘high’ days) seems to be an interesting approach and I think my workouts should benefit.

I’ll let you guys know how it pans out.

edit: I emphasised the rest requirement but I think the cardio and ab work is relatively minimal effort so that shouldn’t be much of a hinderance.