[quote]weight junky wrote:
How does the AD compare to the Zone? The book makes claims of improving athletic performance(the Zone) so I’m interested. Also, is it the start up faze that allows me 30g of carbs, or am I allotted 30g during the maintenance faze too?[/quote]
the zone starts you off at the same point as the AD, but then you systematically increase carbs every 2 weeks or so. When you have completed all the ‘phases’ for the zone plan, you are eating at 40-30-30 all the time. No cheating, no deviations nothing.
The AD is repetitive in nature. You go 12 days with <30gm carbs, then carb-up for 24-48 hours. Then you jump on to cycle of 5-days <30gm carbs and 1-2 day high carbs.
On comparison, they both probably give the same results. It depends on what you value the most. Personally, I choose to stay on the AD for the relative freedom and sociability it offers.
damn I forgot how much I hate smoothing out…no definition at all, my tummy looks rounder and Ive come to find out that Beano makes me bloat but my NOW Super Enzymes do not hrm…YUM! i love my eggplant chips!! oh btw is this fine carb wise? total carbs:71 Fiber:42 (had a lavash wrap which adds 10g fiber, usually fiber stays around 25-30 from the mass of veggies I eat and flax)
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
damn I forgot how much I hate smoothing out…no definition at all, my tummy looks rounder and Ive come to find out that Beano makes me bloat but my NOW Super Enzymes do not hrm…YUM! i love my eggplant chips!! oh btw is this fine carb wise? total carbs:71 Fiber:42 (had a lavash wrap which adds 10g fiber, usually fiber stays around 25-30 from the mass of veggies I eat and flax)[/quote]
I am usually wary of lc tortillas and breads. Calculate its carbs by difference. unfortunately labeling laws are vague enough to allow enough of ‘tomfoolery’ by producers.
Of course, in the end just do what works for you.
On another note.If your bulking and find yourself not remotely hungry fr your meals and have to force food down, try this.
Eat lean proteins for all meals (white fish etc). Fish has a faster digestion rate as compared to beef or pork or chicken. So this would allow you to actually feel hungry for your next meal, rather than have to force it down and end up feeling sick. (this tip comes thanks to a video of Dexter Jackson)
In the other thread someone said dont count the carbs that come with Fiber, so if Im eating bits of broccoli at every meal, and my PWO has me at 28g of carbs am I safe?
[quote]weight junky wrote:
In the other thread someone said dont count the carbs that come with Fiber, so if Im eating bits of broccoli at every meal, and my PWO has me at 28g of carbs am I safe?[/quote]
No, you don’t count fiber but you still count other carbs that veggies have. I think a cup of broccoli is around 4 net carbs.
I’m not sure that I buy it, but I think it’s worth mentioning: I’ve seen some people get down on spiking insulin with something like Surge PWO (as I assume you’re doing if you’re taking in 28g PWO) because it supposedly reduces the effectiveness of the diet by causing insulin spikes during the week.
[quote]weight junky wrote:
In the other thread someone said dont count the carbs that come with Fiber, so if Im eating bits of broccoli at every meal, and my PWO has me at 28g of carbs am I safe?[/quote]
If your PWO drink has 28g CHO in it, it is very likely that you are well over 30g CHO for the day. I have gotten very good at weeding out the trace carbs in my food, and you’d be suprised how they add up. I consistantly come in at about 25g net CHO every day, and that’s just from the non-fiber carbs in the veggies, the trace carbs in my whey isolate, and my pb that I can’t seem to give up.
I’ve heard that the rapid absorbtion of the protein in whey isloate drinks can cause an insulin surge similar to the surge from carbs. I’m sure someone more experienced can weigh in on that.
Sunshne, what you said is very interesting. I feel like the female population tends to feel a greater sense of desperation in their quests for beauty and therefore try a greater quantity of more absurd things in an effort to stay afloat or get ahead. I read a bunch of articles on estrogen and sex hormones, basically concluding how horrible it is lol. If the average woman ate more properly and treated her body with more respect from a position of knowledge, rather than guessing and succumbing to mythology, the whole PMS issue would be a lot less of an issue for her. At least, this is my belief.
Evil, you stated something very explicitly that I’ve observed and would like to add a small note to it. With regards to how true physiological hunger is more exposed on the AD, I also feel as though it’s rewarded better. Typically, you get hungry so you eat…but you may stay hungry (similar to carb weekends). However, on the AD, when I get seriously hungry and then eat, I am instantly rewarding with the sensation dissipating. Too often I think people incorrectly read their physical cues and take action to resolve them, but the sensation doesn’t go away because they ‘guessed wrong’.
I listened to John Berardi’s interview with one of his PN guys on calorie counting, and it spoke a lot about these physiological cues and their importance. It was a good listen.
[quote]Evil1 wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
damn I forgot how much I hate smoothing out…no definition at all, my tummy looks rounder and Ive come to find out that Beano makes me bloat but my NOW Super Enzymes do not hrm…YUM! i love my eggplant chips!! oh btw is this fine carb wise? total carbs:71 Fiber:42 (had a lavash wrap which adds 10g fiber, usually fiber stays around 25-30 from the mass of veggies I eat and flax)
I am usually wary of lc tortillas and breads. Calculate its carbs by difference. unfortunately labeling laws are vague enough to allow enough of ‘tomfoolery’ by producers.
Of course, in the end just do what works for you.
On another note.If your bulking and find yourself not remotely hungry fr your meals and have to force food down, try this.
Eat lean proteins for all meals (white fish etc). Fish has a faster digestion rate as compared to beef or pork or chicken. So this would allow you to actually feel hungry for your next meal, rather than have to force it down and end up feeling sick. (this tip comes thanks to a video of Dexter Jackson)[/quote]
As am I…I only have the lavash there for incase I need to make up my fiber…I had been out all day at an event for the restaurant I worked at and not one moment was there time to eat . Besides 6 hours later…I had 5 oz of turkey breast, beef liver, and 8 oz cheese in a cooler in my car along with a serv. of said lavash. Now thats when I eat/depend on lavash but I dont eat it daily hell no! I still get 50-60 total carbs with veggies and flax but still keep it to 30 thanks to the fiber. But thanks for the heads up
Never thought I’d say this but OMG thinly slicing eggplant, cukes, and squash and shiitake mushrooms then throwing it on a hot pan of melted butter until browned is like a treat! Yes a candy treat! Oh dont forget the Celtic Sea Salt now!
BTW with regards to heating butter…does it denature like healthy oils and become unhealthy in essence?
BTW with regards to heating butter…does it denature like healthy oils and become unhealthy in essence?[/quote]
Regular Butter has a smoke point of 177C, which is pretty low (lower than EVOO).
A better (and tastier) option is to cook with Clarified butter (Ghee) which has a smoke point of 252C.
I just got some new stats taken, thought I’d share. Been on the AD for almost exactly 3 months.
I’m 5’9"
Starting:
Weight: 161.1
BF%: 8.6
Today:
Weight: 168.3
BF% 5.1
I’ve been eating at a caloric deficit for under a week, so I think I’ll stop. My BF is much lower than I thought, and it would seem that I’m able to eat higher amounts without compromising BF%.
Other notes: My BP was a bit high, but it has been a stressful day so I’ll have to get it checked again later.
BTW with regards to heating butter…does it denature like healthy oils and become unhealthy in essence?
Regular Butter has a smoke point of 177C, which is pretty low (lower than EVOO).
A better (and tastier) option is to cook with Clarified butter (Ghee) which has a smoke point of 252C.
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dammit…so by heating up butter in a pan and then throwing in my veggies is more detrimental than de-ricious?
It seems as though everyone here advocates the 12 day induction period. I could not find that anywhere in the book. Is there a reason why the 12 day period is recommended instead of just jumping into the startup phase outlined in the book?
Hi all, I’ve been lurking for a while now and decided to chime in. I read about the first 60-70 pages of the first AD thread and of course this one so I like to think I’m more or less up to speed with the discussion.
I’m just coming upto the end of my 4th week on the AD and what can I say, I’m almost certainly a lifer now.
My induction phase (I definitely advocate doing 12 days) wasn’t so bad as I was fairly low carb before but I certainly experienced the ‘crash’ on a couple of occasions towards the end.
I recently realised that I have a milk allergy, of all things! So I’ve had to cut out the cheese, cream and whey isolate. I was taking two whey shakes with cream daily and was suffering from terrible bloating, water retention and unholy flatulance.
I thought it was lactose intolerance but I’ve concluded it is actually an allergy to particular proteins in the whey part so I’m going totally dairy-free (except butter which should be ok given that it’s mostly fat) for a few weeks and then I might try non-homogenised, non-pasteurised products like yoghurt.
I’ve certainly noticed the bloating (not to mention the damn farts) has subsided within only a few days of cutting out the whey, cream and cheese. Oh how I miss my wonderful chocolate whey shakes though…
Hi all, I’ve been lurking for a while now and decided to chime in. I read about the first 60-70 pages of the first AD thread and of course this one so I like to think I’m more or less up to speed with the discussion.
I’m just coming upto the end of my 4th week on the AD and what can I say, I’m almost certainly a lifer now.
My induction phase (I definitely advocate doing 12 days) wasn’t so bad as I was fairly low carb before but I certainly experienced the ‘crash’ on a couple of occasions towards the end.
I recently realised that I have a milk allergy, of all things! So I’ve had to cut out the cheese, cream and whey isolate. I was taking two whey shakes with cream daily and was suffering from terrible bloating, water retention and unholy flatulance.
I thought it was lactose intolerance but I’ve concluded it is actually an allergy to particular proteins in the whey part so I’m going totally dairy-free (except butter which should be ok given that it’s mostly fat) for a few weeks and then I might try non-homogenised, non-pasteurised products like yoghurt.
I’ve certainly noticed the bloating (not to mention the damn farts) has subsided within only a few days of cutting out the whey, cream and cheese. Oh how I miss my wonderful chocolate whey shakes though…
<Excuse the double post, there’s some good first-impressions for you, huh?>
Also, I’m quite the flax-enthusiast and I came across this great recipe for flax bread:
I calculated the macros to be (based on the labels on the products I’m using):
Per 50g slice:
4.14g Protein
9.1g Fat
0.59 (net) Carbs
Approx. 150 total calories
I personally don’t include any sweetener and I don’t add so much oil but I like to add a little cinnamon and also tried replacing the oil with some turkey fat which worked nicely.
I’ve also tried frying the batter mix to make pancakes and also baking the mix in muffin tins and both work wonderfully.
I also like to sprinkle some unmilled flax seeds on top of the batter mix before putting it in the oven, just another nice touch imo.
This bread has allowed me to clean up my breakfast a bit by replacing eggs and bacon with a couple pieces of this bread with 2 tbsp of my beloved natural PB.
This makes for a fairly filling meal with around 500-550 calories.
