[quote]danmaftei wrote:
What? This thread was opened two days ago…?? Or do you mean this argument comes up in many threads?
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Zeb and the Prof have this arguement every six months. I think last time was when Janet Jackson popped her tittie out at the Superbowl.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
In America, you have many people who seem to act as if sex is a “dirty word” and the naked human body is so vile and disgusting that the mere image of it can warp the minds of children and turn them into criminals and sexual deviants. Mind you, the image that started this doesn’t even show any sexual organs so apparently it is just the fact that she is naked that causes an issue.[/quote]
Once again you are wrong prof!
It was never a matter of the human body being a thing of beauty, of course it is.
The argument is over the constant barrage of sexual (and violent) information and video (photo’s etc) hitting our children at a very rapid rate.
According to current studies parents are sick of it by a whopping 90%!
According to the “experts” the more violence and sex that kids see on TV the more they want to repeat those actions in their own lives.
"66% of children (ages 10 to 16) surveyed say that their peers are influenced by TV shows
62% say that sex on TV shows and movies influences kids to have sex when they are too young
A study of 1792 adolescents ages 12-17 showed that watching sex on TV influences teens to have sex. Youths who watched more sexual content where more likely to initiate intercourse and progress to more advanced noncoital sexual activities in the year following the beginning of the study.
Youths in the 90th percentile of TV sex viewing had a predicted probability of intercourse initiation that was approximately double that of youths in the 10th percentile. Basically, kids with higher exposure to sex on TV were almost twice as likely than kids with lower exposure to initiate sexual intercourse. - Study Conducted by RAND and published in the September 2004 issue of Pediatrics."
Think STD’s, AIDS, teen pregnancy and a host of other problems attached to these things.
It’s cool to say that the human body is a thing of beauty, and it is indeed. But it’s not so cool when the media acts irresponsibly and the above happens.
And that is what this argument is all about my very naieve friend
[quote]hardcore_balla wrote:
Europe vs. America,
Europeans are much more open about issues especially sex and nudity when compared to americans.
Some would say they are desensitized further but some would argue that being open and honest with people about human nature is the best way to go.
I prefer open and honest. [/quote]
You are confusing “open and honest” with a constant barrage of sexual images and themes which are causing kids to have sex before they are ready. And that means sometimes suffering painful consequences.
I forgot now, how many kids do you have?
[quote]Massif wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
What? This thread was opened two days ago…?? Or do you mean this argument comes up in many threads?
Zeb and the Prof have this arguement every six months. I think last time was when Janet Jackson popped her tittie out at the Superbowl.[/quote]
LOL yep that was it.
If memory (I almost typed mammary) serves me correctly prof was buying into the idea that it was a wardrobe malfunction. 
Zeb,
Obviously this is a very deep subject for you. Who would you appoint the TV/morality police? Should the rsponsibilty for this go to the religious right (Pat Robertson would be a natural for the job) or should VP Cheney assign this to Haliburton as the latest no-bid, sole source contract.
The FCC obviously can’t do the job, Colin’s son couldn’t take the heat from Howard Stern and gave up. If we are going to “clean” up TV, does this mean we can finally put an end to all the advertisements for feminine hygene products. Those are equally offensive. Also, does the new “skin” ban count for those Public Network medical shows (Dr. 90210 doesn’t as one).
We should probably clean up the Discovery Channel, no animal “privates” on the air. And heaven forbid they show the birth of anything. Definately no more “beach” shows or “sexy” MTV videos. We should probably ban any cartoon character that doesn’t look like Rosie O’Donnell. No more shots of anyone chewing anything, this could lead to an oral fixation in children (people licking their lips in the hamburger commercials have a definate hidden message).
However, we will no longer have to worry about sex-filled advertising there won’t be any viewers anymore.
Zeb, do you have sex? With the lights on…ever? Outside of the “missionary position”? I can only imagine sex in the Zeb house would go completely unnoticed if you were even just sitting in the other room.
“…not with a bang, but with a whimper.”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
If memory (I almost typed mammary…
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Damn it! My neqhew just walked by and read that. He got a mental image of a breast and now he’s scarred for life!
Thanks for destroying my nephew’s future. Now he’s ruined for life.
I knew I should have locked his cell, I mean ‘play room’, better.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yes, of course, that’s always your answer! Avoid it, no problem. Maybe you need to take another look at your own selfish outlook. All we need is just a tiny bit of reform and you can have your “R” rated world and children will not be as effected by it.[/quote]
Reform? Why do you even desire to reform the country if you can obviously control what is seen in your own house? I just explained how. Why not do that and leave everyone else alone?
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With freedom comes responsibility![/quote]
And to give up that freedom due to your insecurity is stupidity!
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You are once again showing your naivete. You are claiming that you can control damn near anything? How about what other kids parents allow when they are visiting friends (gee the parents seemed like decent people). How about what they see when riding a bus to school? How about what they hear when they are with friends? How about the 1000 other times that as a parent you just can’t be there?[/quote]
WHY do you wish to control everyone else? You can’t do it, thank God. I am so glad you aren’t in power. The idea of some old dude with a stick up his ass telling me what my kids can say on a bus is ridiculous. Outside of blatant disrespect or avoiding following the rules, why do you think the world needs to have the exact same “values” that you do?
This is the same attitude I see from many in the conservative category. Your goal isn’t to control your own life, but the lives of every other man and woman in this country. This is “christianity”?
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In essence claiming that society has nothing to do with what seeps into your childs brain is just ridiculously funny![/quote]
What? Who wrote this? I am saying plan for shit happening spontaneously and stop expecting for society to have no influence. It is a dumb concept. How could your kids deal with a world they are blind of their entire lives until they leave your house?
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I had to show your posts to my wife-She is getting as big a kick out of them as I am. Keep posting as she is copying your posts and emailing them to her “married with children friends” I don’t know about their reaction yet, but will post back to you when the comments start rolling in.[/quote]
I am glad she is. I hope her friends read every word and I even hope they respond back. hell, she is married to you so obviously her idea of excitement is reading over your shoulder. Who-hooo! Let the good times roll!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zeb, do you have sex? With the lights on…ever? Outside of the “missionary position”? I can only imagine sex in the Zeb house would go completely unnoticed if you were even just sitting in the other room.
“…not with a bang, but with a whimper.”[/quote]
YOH! Even I felt that one…
Damn Zeb you did it again,
You pulled out your RAND study of 1792 kids out of how many in the united states? Where did they do there sampling? What was the sample population with regards to location and how does it reflect across the midwest, the northwest etc?
Your ONE study does not prove SHIT! Read my comment again, I can come up ie: make my own study that will show otherwise. Let me take a poll of my best friends and we can see how that compares. One came from penn, one came from s. illinois, one from chicago, one from ohio, one from seattle, one from california, one from montana & one from florida.
That should be a pretty good random sampling from across the country. Right? The point is that your study, is one study. Anyone with any kind of collected data can word the statements and show the graphs to support their point.
Basically what you keep stating is that people see sex, they do sex. People see drugs they do drugs. People see violence they do violence?
You pointed out that the shows I sampled out of TV guide were popular but not appropriate. They must be approrpriate? Are they not? I mean 90% of the parents in the US are upset with them? 90% of your peers should be calling in, saying “fine this show, or stop this show it is violent, hateful, profane, etc etc.”
So why have only 12 million (I think that is the right number) been logged as a peak value? Hell that would mean that there should have been 50-60 million complaints at least per year. But wait there is more. Hell you don’t even watch tv so how can you even judge what is appropriate? You make it sound like you never watch these shows so that just makes you some spigot for random information about which you have no clue.
So here is the rub. I’m going to ask you again. What do you find so offensive in the media today. Some specific examples and if you tell me again that you don’t watch tv well that just goes to show that you, have no room to talk. How about your wife and you do a research trip. 4 hrs of monday night tv and then youcome back and tell us what you find so apprehensible about the media oh and 1 hr of news doesn’t count.
I accept your apology MrChill. On a related note, I offer up this quote:
“Fuck the children!”
-George Carlin
[quote]Tech9 wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
This thread has GOT to go down as “The Greatest Hi-Jacked Thread of the year; 2006”!
That and the fastest hijacked thread.[/quote]
And maybe add Controversial Image to the list?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
If a show is “popular” does that mean that it is “appropriate”? Think again my friend![/quote]
I’m done with this argument except for the above statement. I haven’t even read anymore postings.
By the above logic, the polls you are presenting mean nothing. Isn’t a poll just “popular” consensus or “popular” opinion?
[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Zeb,
Obviously this is a very deep subject for you. Who would you appoint the TV/morality police? Should the rsponsibilty for this go to the religious right (Pat Robertson would be a natural for the job) or should VP Cheney assign this to Haliburton as the latest no-bid, sole source contract.[/quote]
That would be sort of nutty wouldn’t it? But then you are jesting right?
It is the FCC’s job and they need to do it properly!
More kidding…
If you look at what sort of “entertainment” that MTV produces, and then look at what demographics that they are shooting for, you might have a good idea of what their intentions are.
Actually, I’d like to ban any cartoon character that looks LIKE Rosie O’Donnell.
Your sarcasm is not lost on me. I chuckled a little bit…sort of.
You might be surprised at the amount of viewers that you do have if TV simply cleaned up it’s act.
Again, just about anything is fine with me as long as it’s on at the right time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zeb, do you have sex? With the lights on…ever? Outside of the “missionary position”? I can only imagine sex in the Zeb house would go completely unnoticed if you were even just sitting in the other room.
“…not with a bang, but with a whimper.”[/quote]
I’m looking to protect young children from too much sex and violence on TV (and in the media) as it can cause them to act in ways that they are not prepared for, this causes pain in their lives.
Oh and as for your sex comment, at least I can prove that I had sex as I have children. How many kids do you have?
Far too much sex (and violence) on TV for those of us with small kids.
If you can find a decent show you can watch with kids they always stick some inappropiate commercials in there.
It is my job to decide when and how to teach my kids about sex not the medias.
I enjoy some of the shows that are inappropriate for kids. I have no problem when they show that stuff at 10 PM, but much of the stuff they show during the early evening is far too raunchy.
I usually end up with the TV off or with a kids video playing if the kids are awake.
Those of you that do not have kids do not have much of a clue in this area.
I am not calling for government censorship, just for the networks to wake up.
The reason crappy shows like “Dancing with the Stars” get big ratings is because it is one of the few things parents can watch with their kids.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Yes, of course, that’s always your answer! Avoid it, no problem. Maybe you need to take another look at your own selfish outlook. All we need is just a tiny bit of reform and you can have your “R” rated world and children will not be as effected by it.
Reform? Why do you even desire to reform the country if you can obviously control what is seen in your own house? I just explained how. Why not do that and leave everyone else alone?[/quote]
I keep making points but they keep flying right over your head.
I have everything under control in my house that’s not the issue. The volume of statistics which point out a larger problem is my concern.
Those of us who do not want to live in a cocoon and actually care about society and the greater good see the obvious problem.
Of course it helps to have children as you then start to see the world through their eyes when it comes to viewing what is being put forth as “entertainment.”
[quote]With freedom comes responsibility!
And to give up that freedom due to your insecurity is stupidity![/quote]
If you call putting all “adult themed” entertainment on after a certain hour giving up freedom then you are even more selfish than I thought you were!
Heaven forbid you can’t hear any profanity until after 10pm LOL
Why do you want to do nothing about the current problem that plagues our children and teens?
Why do you offer nothing but more of the same which has proven not to work?
Why can’t you understant the difficult plight of parents?..Oh that’s right you are not a parent so you don’t get it…
Actually, you have no idea who I am. I may very well be “in power.”
Old dude? Can’t even run for President until you’re 35. Would that leave you out Prof? Yea, I guess it would.
Once again you don’t get it do you? We either have a society where there are ruels or we don’t. Otherwise why not show hard core porno flicks on Saturday morning.
Tell me why you wouldn’t be in favor of that. Some would why not you? Are you trying to force your morals onto those folks?
See how shallow your argument is?
Actually, the goal is to make sure that pop culture and the media is not controlling the lives of the millions of children who are so very susceptable to manipulation at a young age.
You would understand that better if you had children of your own-have I mentioned that before?
quote]…stop expecting for society to have no influence. It is a dumb concept. How could your kids deal with a world they are blind of their entire lives until they leave your house?[/quote]
Okay…I have to say it and I’m sorry that I do: Exactly how stupid are you? Perhaps you are deliberately being obstinate, but I doubt it. I really think it’s brain power that is lacking.
The very essence of my point is that SOCIETY DOES HAVE INFLUENCE on our children! Hence, why not insist that the media act somewhat responsiblly?
Can you please reread that until you can understand it?
And furthermore what’s wrong with wanting society to act responsibly?
How does that take away from your life? However, anyone can see how it would benefit the millions of kids who are pesuaded to act wrongly (for their age) and cause themselves some serious consequences.
[quote]I had to show your posts to my wife-She is getting as big a kick out of them as I am. Keep posting as she is copying your posts and emailing them to her “married with children friends” I don’t know about their reaction yet, but will post back to you when the comments start rolling in.
I am glad she is. I hope her friends read every word and I even hope they respond back. hell, she is married to you so obviously her idea of excitement is reading over your shoulder. Who-hooo! Let the good times roll!!
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This is your logic: Zeb does not want young children to be constantly exposed to sexual (or violent)images as they have been proven to cause them to act in an irresponsible manner. Therefore, Zeb is not exciting.
You are a very dumb man prof-No seriously…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Far too much sex (and violence) on TV for those of us with small kids.
If you can find a decent show you can watch with kids they always stick some inappropiate commercials in there.
It is my job to decide when and how to teach my kids about sex not the medias.
I enjoy some of the shows that are inappropriate for kids. I have no problem when they show that stuff at 10 PM, but much of the stuff they show during the early evening is far too raunchy.
I usually end up with the TV off or with a kids video playing if the kids are awake.
Those of you that do not have kids do not have much of a clue in this area.
I am not calling for government censorship, just for the networks to wake up.
The reason crappy shows like “Dancing with the Stars” get big ratings is because it is one of the few things parents can watch with their kids.[/quote]
You mentioned “10pm”. Is this the designated time you think all shows not for kids should come on? What about those of us, like myself, who have jobs that are not the usual “9-5”? I wake up at 4am. I don’t watch much tv anyway, but if I chose to, I would never be able to watch a program I liked simply because you had kids. Meanwhile, what inappropriate shows are on the cartoon network before 10pm?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zeb, do you have sex? With the lights on…ever? Outside of the “missionary position”? I can only imagine sex in the Zeb house would go completely unnoticed if you were even just sitting in the other room.
“…not with a bang, but with a whimper.”
I’m looking to protect young children from too much sex and violence on TV (and in the media) as it can cause them to act in ways that they are not prepared for, this causes pain in their lives.
Oh and as for your sex comment, at least I can prove that I had sex as I have children. How many kids do you have?
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Weak. I know how to use condoms and as a result, I don’t have kids as of yet. That works out great for me because I would rather be well established before raising a family as opposed to the action of many guys that I know of ending up with 3 and 4 kids from 3 and 4 different mothers all begging for child support. Shit, the fact that I don’t have kids should speak volumes about my maturity and priorities.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I have everything under control in my house that’s not the issue.[/quote]
If you have everything under control, then there is no issue. You prove, yourself, that avoiding it is possible so what the hell is the problem?
As far as your “dumb” comment, I am laughing at you…as always.