Must Win, No Other Option

Bigger Stronger Leaner Competitive Bodybuilding
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[quote]jerm wrote:
Completely. There are way too many know it alls on the T-Nation. How many are actually competitive bodybuilders or powerlifters? You can probably count em on one hand around here. Lets see some guys start showing a pic or two to go with all this knowledge, haha, yeah exactly most of these cats cant do that.

They will however be the first to tell what is and isn’t possible and how your training and diet is soo flawed, cause they read and article by some guru that said so. My ears are open to the cats with the photos and the experience to match the advice however. I’m not gonna listen to faceless, 165lb cats however, so keep it at home unless you got the beef to back it up please…[/quote]

I hear ya. Lots of people give advice and remain photo-less with empty profiles. Advice from these people is suspicious. I can agree with you there. I do seem to value the word of the members with pics/stats posted more, usually.

However, if you feel so strongly that this place (T-Nation) doesn’t have many peeps that are experienced, why post a thread here and ask for our advice? Surely, there are other places to post with more bodybuilders than u can count on one hand…

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[quote]jerm wrote:
Completely. There are way too many know it alls on the T-Nation. How many are actually competitive bodybuilders or powerlifters? You can probably count em on one hand around here. Lets see some guys start showing a pic or two to go with all this knowledge, haha, yeah exactly most of these cats cant do that.

They will however be the first to tell what is and isn’t possible and how your training and diet is soo flawed, cause they read and article by some guru that said so. My ears are open to the cats with the photos and the experience to match the advice however. I’m not gonna listen to faceless, 165lb cats however, so keep it at home unless you got the beef to back it up please…[/quote]

Kind of funny though. You are busting on people for not being bright or having the physique to back it up, yet countless people in this thread have told you what you are doing does not make a lick of sense, yet you won’t listen.

If you wanted specific people’s advice, maybe you should have PM’d those that do compete.

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So you want me to post a pic in this thread or you wont listen to me is basically what you are saying?

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Yeah, well I’m not gonna get into a net argument or whatever. Thats just how I feel about forums in general, whether it be bodybuilding or whatever else. Lets get back to the original idea, I plan on competing in the show, lets focus on that please.

I could care less to argue about the lack of credibility associated with some posters on internet forums which is what I was initially pointing out. I think overall you guys have some pretty good advice.

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I’m missing something. How does someone’s physique affect their credibility regarding advice telling you to add more muscle before competing? I’m pretty sure you don’t have to be jacked to have seen bodybuilding competitions and to appreciate what the judges are looking for in the winners.

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[quote]jerm wrote:
Yeah, well I’m not gonna get into a net argument or whatever. Thats just how I feel about forums in general, whether it be bodybuilding or whatever else. Lets get back to the original idea, I plan on competing in the show, lets focus on that please.

I could care less to argue about the lack of credibility associated with some posters on internet forums which is what I was initially pointing out. I think overall you guys have some pretty good advice.[/quote]

…that you clearly won’t follow which begs the question, “why are you asking for it?”.

People who do compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

People who don’t compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

In fact, the only people who seem to be telling you it is a good idea are the people who no one has ever seen a picture of and who have very few posts here.

You are 6 feet tall. If you hit the NPC weighing less than 220lbs IN CONTEST SHAPE…not walking around in the off season weight, you are wasting your time unless you are some genetic freak who can weigh 190 and look 230.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jerm wrote:
Yeah, well I’m not gonna get into a net argument or whatever. Thats just how I feel about forums in general, whether it be bodybuilding or whatever else. Lets get back to the original idea, I plan on competing in the show, lets focus on that please.

I could care less to argue about the lack of credibility associated with some posters on internet forums which is what I was initially pointing out. I think overall you guys have some pretty good advice.

…that you clearly won’t follow which begs the question, “why are you asking for it?”.

People who do compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

People who don’t compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

In fact, the only people who seem to be telling you it is a good idea are the people who no one has ever seen a picture of and who have very few posts here.

You are 6 feet tall. If you hit the NPC weighing less than 220lbs IN CONTEST SHAPE…not walking around in the off season weight, you are wasting your time unless you are some genetic freak who can weigh 190 and look 230.

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Agreed. 220 in stage shape equals… about 245-255 at lean normal peoples standards.

I’ll follow your log too I suppose, but you should really take the time off and just mass up for next year. If you are hell bent on competing this year, you need to either come in ridiculously lean, or super massive. Really, you can’t do super massive in the time left.

So if you’re going to compete, I’d suggest cutting from 10-12 weeks out to try and get conditioning rock solid. You’re going to be a lot smaller than you think if you do that.

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This wouldn’t be the first time someone with unrealistic expectations and perspective just had to compete!

And it won’t be the last While I am sure you are proud of yourself for what you consider a few yrs of hard work in the gym which to a point is commendable realisticly you look fit or reasonably in shape but there are a ton of guys I see on the basketball court with your build who never venture into the weight rm.

The hardest reflection to look at is one’s own image relying on this being a novice show to give you a clean sweep which is what this sounds like as you keep referancing how the novice guys aren’t all that etc. is foolhardy you have no idea who’s ben toiling away for yrs and will show up.

Plus assuming you were to win its obvious that there would be no bragging rights, as mentioned numerous times before by competitors and non competitors you just dont have the size and certainly aren’t gonna have it by show time.

Thats like challenging the smallest skinniest weakest kid in school to a boxing match and pummelling him then running around bragging about the win. OK maybe that’s a bit extreme but just because it’s a novice show doesn’t mean you should treat it any less than the Nationals.

Take a few yrs and build the size tons of people do this every yr just gotta rush to the stage and its not just the men I have seen a disturbing trend with the women some middle age woman lose 40 lbs and some trainer blows smoke up her skirt and she is on the message board saying well Im 12 weeks out from my first show.

I wish you well what ever you decide but wether you accept it or not you would serve yourself far better taking the time and adding the size then you can compete as someone who took it seriously against those who just had to rush to the stage.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jerm wrote:
Yeah, well I’m not gonna get into a net argument or whatever. Thats just how I feel about forums in general, whether it be bodybuilding or whatever else. Lets get back to the original idea, I plan on competing in the show, lets focus on that please.

I could care less to argue about the lack of credibility associated with some posters on internet forums which is what I was initially pointing out. I think overall you guys have some pretty good advice.

…that you clearly won’t follow which begs the question, “why are you asking for it?”.

People who do compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

People who don’t compete are telling you that you aren’t big enough.

In fact, the only people who seem to be telling you it is a good idea are the people who no one has ever seen a picture of and who have very few posts here.

You are 6 feet tall. If you hit the NPC weighing less than 220lbs IN CONTEST SHAPE…not walking around in the off season weight, you are wasting your time unless you are some genetic freak who can weigh 190 and look 230.

Agreed. 220 in stage shape equals… about 245-255 at lean normal peoples standards.

I’ll follow your log too I suppose, but you should really take the time off and just mass up for next year. If you are hell bent on competing this year, you need to either come in ridiculously lean, or super massive. Really, you can’t do super massive in the time left.

So if you’re going to compete, I’d suggest cutting from 10-12 weeks out to try and get conditioning rock solid. You’re going to be a lot smaller than you think if you do that.[/quote]

I follow NPC pretty closely and have dvds of the comps that go back to at least 2000. No one is playing around at that level. That is how you go pro. I only follow the heavies and superheavies, but most of the light-heavies and light weights I’ve seen make everyone here look like sedentary fat bastards.

I am a little surprised someone is planning to compete at that level but is doing it just to say they competed by trying to win a class they THINK is only going to be filled with people who look like they barely lift.

It is like guys don’t even take height into consideration anymore.

There are heavy weights who are 5’6" who weigh over 220lbs…yet someone who is 6 feet tall is planning on STARTING THEIR DIET at barely 200lbs?..and then thinks they have the time to somehow gain another 20lbs and then diet when the contest is that close?

If Jerm could gain 20lbs that easily, it now becomes a question of why the hell he hasn’t done so LONG before now?

I mean, shit, I think I am just now at the level where I could compete at that stage and not get laughed off yet someone at his level (AGAIN at 6 FEET TALL) thinks he is so ready that he can half ass his dieting?

That’s not just unrealistic, that borders on delusional.

I am guessing people have really been blowing your head up about your progress up to this point in the gym or at school.

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Some guys who compete at NPC along with weights so we can compare.

This is Scott Turner…5 foot 3 and 173lbs.

Now, Jerm is how tall again?

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Troy Tate…5 foot 6.5 and 198lbs

How tall is jerm again?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So you want me to post a pic in this thread or you wont listen to me is basically what you are saying?[/quote]

You heard him Way, come back when you’ve got some meat on your bones.

–JB

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Curtis Bryant…5 foot 5 and 198lbs.

Jerm, how much do you weigh at what height?

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Branden Ray…5 foot 7 186lbs

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I don’t know about anyone else, but I won’t be jumping on a stage at that level until I am at least sure I can hang with the people SHORTER than me.

Maybe I set my goals too high and should just do “novice comps” so I can win some easy trophies.

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[quote]WS4JB wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
So you want me to post a pic in this thread or you wont listen to me is basically what you are saying?

You heard him Way, come back when you’ve got some meat on your bones.

–JB[/quote]

lol will do :wink:

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George Maiorano …5 foot 2 and 185lbs

Mind you, all it takes is for one of these well developed shorter guys to show up in that “novice division” for the first time and you will be in a situation where you wasted time dieting when you could have been actually gaining more size so you can do well in a few years.

Also, anyone who even acts like you are just one year away is also doing you a disservice.

You are one year away when people look at you and say, “Damn, do you compete already?”…when they have never met you before and are serious weight lifters themselves.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
George Maiorano …5 foot 2 and 185lbs
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Holy fuck. I have even longer to go than I thought.

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Professor X just put some fucking big nails in your coffin jerm mate. I admire your determination, but it’s not going to end well for you, and when you come back here after competing, you’re going to have a mob of guys saying ‘I told you so’.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Professor X wrote:
George Maiorano …5 foot 2 and 185lbs

Holy fuck. I have even longer to go than I thought.[/quote]

But see, most people do. I remember walking up to Tony Dodd (an NPC competitor who last competed around 3-4 years ago) and telling him I wanted to compete. I must have weighed what I thought was a “very developed 225lbs”. I figured I would just have to drop to about 200lbs to compete.

His advice was the same I am giving here. He also went on to say that I would probably have to drop to about 185lbs to be comp ready.

Mind you, I had arms at the time closing in on nearly 19" so I thought there was no way I would need to drop that low again.

But he was right.

To be a solid 220+lbs in contest shape, you need to be walking around in the off season around 250lbs or BIGGER…especially if you are 6 feet tall.

I think Jerm has just been listening to the wrong people. Considering how few people even look muscular lately, I am guessing barely developed people are getting much smoke blown up their asses about how “big” they are from the sedentary crowd.

It doesn’t sink in where they really stand until they are in a crowded room filled with people who actually take this seriously.