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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, even if I conceded that those tactics worked, which I dont…
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[quote]orion wrote:
I am admitting that one tried to smuggle in explosives in his underwear and one tried to ignite his shoe.

Both attempts were spoiled…

I also admit that the few cases were American Muslims tried to blow shit up…
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LOL[/quote]

Lol what?

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First you say that the tactics didnt work in preventing terrorist attacks in the US, then you admit that there have been numerous terrorist attacks that have been prevented here in the US.

That = LOL

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[quote]orion wrote:
Those plans were obviously not spoiled by heroes in uniform…but by ordinary citizens that kept their eyes open in order not to die.
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what about the attempts at “blowing shit up” that you, literally, JUST SAID were prevented by the FBI?

more LOLs

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Also, even if I conceded that those tactics worked, which I dont…
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[quote]orion wrote:
I am admitting that one tried to smuggle in explosives in his underwear and one tried to ignite his shoe.

Both attempts were spoiled…

I also admit that the few cases were American Muslims tried to blow shit up…
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LOL[/quote]

Lol what?

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First you say that the tactics didnt work in preventing terrorist attacks in the US, then you admit that there have been numerous terrorist attacks that have been prevented here in the US.

That = LOL[/quote]

But.

Not.

By.

Those.

Tactics.

Savvy?

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[quote]orion wrote:
But…
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LOL, you are cracking me up man. Almost every post you try to qualify with a “but” lol

But.

What.

About.

The.

Prevented.

Attempts.

That.

Dont.

Make.

The.

News?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Those plans were obviously not spoiled by heroes in uniform…but by ordinary citizens that kept their eyes open in order not to die.
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what about the attempts at “blowing shit up” that you, literally, JUST SAID were prevented by the FBI?

more LOLs[/quote]

After the FBI had recruited them and supplied them with materiel.

Well it seems to this is also not a ringing endorsement of those tactics.

And spare me the BS that there have been myriads of plots that failed that we dont even know about.

Not only did the FBI strut its stuff when they foiled the evil masterplans of teh borderline retarded, it would also assume that the US government is a reliable source of information, which is prima facie absurd.

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Also, I think its funny that you comment so much on the tactics when you obviously have NO IDEA what the tactics are.

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of intelligence/counter intelligence operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of counter terrorist operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of terrorist surveillance operations?

You do understand that there is A LOT of things going overseas (and here in the US, but your not from the US so I can see how you wouldnt know) that never make the news. Things that are classified and that arent blasted over CNN?

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[quote]orion wrote:
After the FBI had recruited them and supplied them with materiel.
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^^Which is one of those “tactics” that you said didnt work. Its called a “sting operation” kind of like an undercover cop posing as a drug dealer or a prostitute. A very effective tactic

how do you know? Are you, or have you ever been, involved in any of the counter terrorism activities that I posted above?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Also, I think its funny that you comment so much on the tactics when you obviously have NO IDEA what the tactics are.

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of intelligence/counter intelligence operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of counter terrorist operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of terrorist surveillance operations?

You do understand that there is A LOT of things going overseas (and here in the US, but your not from the US so I can see how you wouldnt know) that never make the news. Things that are classified and that arent blasted over CNN?[/quote]

Yeah, sure those millions, if not billions of attempts that the enormously efficient arm of government that we never encounter under any circumstances in real life has spoiled.

And, imagine that, they are so incredibly humble and well supplied with funds that they would never dream of making their successes public.

Sounds entirely convincing, practically every encounter with bureaucrats that I have ever had weighs heavily one the side of the validity of your argument.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
After the FBI had recruited them and supplied them with materiel.
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^^Which is one of those “tactics” that you said didnt work. Its called a “sting operation” kind of like an undercover cop posing as a drug dealer or a prostitute. A very effective tactic

how do you know? Are you, or have you ever been, involved in any of the counter terrorism activities that I posted above?[/quote]

Well, leaving the morality of sting operations aside, it would only count if those people had ever seriously considered to blow shit up and would have had the means to do so.

Nudging someone into a crime that he would not have otherwise committed, happens quite frequently with narc-stings btw, does not really diminish any risks.

You might as well dig a ditch and fill it up again and brag about your accomplishments.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Also, I think its funny that you comment so much on the tactics when you obviously have NO IDEA what the tactics are.

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of intelligence/counter intelligence operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of counter terrorist operations?

Have you ever been part of ANY SORT of terrorist surveillance operations?

You do understand that there is A LOT of things going overseas (and here in the US, but your not from the US so I can see how you wouldnt know) that never make the news. Things that are classified and that arent blasted over CNN?[/quote]

attempt at patronizing
No I do not have any experience with any of those things and am speaking about things that I know nothing about
more attempted patronizing
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I went ahead and edited that for you to save people the time of having to read through it all.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Well, leaving the morality of sting operations aside, it would only count if those people had ever seriously considered to blow shit up and would have had the means to do so.

Nudging someone into a crime that he would not have otherwise committed, happens quite frequently with narc-stings btw, does not really diminish any risks.

You might as well dig a ditch and fill it up again and brag about your accomplishments.

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[quote]orion wrote:
To paraphrase CS, yeah, nature might have cocked the gun but you pulled the trigger and reloaded.
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you just said this^^ in another thread. seems pretty applicable to the “sting operation” topic doesnt it? the FBI might have recruited the terrorist/“cocked the gun” but they did not make them “pull the trigger”

lol

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
But this one has been made better. Not one terrorist attack on US soil since the “War on Terror” started. I’m not a big fan of it, but it has been successful.

Comparing accidents to an aggressive attack is completely asinine.[/quote]

Bathroom safety can be increased significantly at less cost.

Also, even if I conceded that those tactics worked, which I dont, at what cost?

A significant amount of your liberties are gone and maybe, maybe a few American lifes were saved at the cost of a few million and a few hundred if not thousand innocent lifes abroad for each.

Claiming that you cannot put a price tag on human lifes may be popular but it is buffonery, because insurance companies certainly can. Incidentally, nobody likes them either, which does not change that to spend vast amounts to eliminate even the tiniest risks is political and financial madness.

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So if we are attcked we should just shrug it off? “well, they only killed 3000 people. Heck more die from falls than that. No need to retaliate…”

Like I said, asinine.
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And attacking a few countries and killing a few hundred thousand to appease the hoi polloi is morally superior?

Do you know how grown ups do this?

When confronted with two shitty options, they choose the less shitty one.

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Yes, the most shitty one would be to do nothing and prove to the world that they can attack us with no consequences. Kinda like what Carter did in 1979…

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, leaving the morality of sting operations aside, it would only count if those people had ever seriously considered to blow shit up and would have had the means to do so.

Nudging someone into a crime that he would not have otherwise committed, happens quite frequently with narc-stings btw, does not really diminish any risks.

You might as well dig a ditch and fill it up again and brag about your accomplishments.

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[quote]orion wrote:
To paraphrase CS, yeah, nature might have cocked the gun but you pulled the trigger and reloaded.
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you just said this^^ in another thread. seems pretty applicable to the “sting operation” topic doesnt it? the FBI might have recruited the terrorist/“cocked the gun” but they did not make them “pull the trigger”

lol[/quote]

Oh I am not saying that those inbreds are not responsible for their actions, what I am saying is that they would not even have come close to posing a threat on their own.

Disposing of a threat that you yourself created does little to make anyone safer.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
But this one has been made better. Not one terrorist attack on US soil since the “War on Terror” started. I’m not a big fan of it, but it has been successful.

Comparing accidents to an aggressive attack is completely asinine.[/quote]

Bathroom safety can be increased significantly at less cost.

Also, even if I conceded that those tactics worked, which I dont, at what cost?

A significant amount of your liberties are gone and maybe, maybe a few American lifes were saved at the cost of a few million and a few hundred if not thousand innocent lifes abroad for each.

Claiming that you cannot put a price tag on human lifes may be popular but it is buffonery, because insurance companies certainly can. Incidentally, nobody likes them either, which does not change that to spend vast amounts to eliminate even the tiniest risks is political and financial madness.

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So if we are attcked we should just shrug it off? “well, they only killed 3000 people. Heck more die from falls than that. No need to retaliate…”

Like I said, asinine.
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And attacking a few countries and killing a few hundred thousand to appease the hoi polloi is morally superior?

Do you know how grown ups do this?

When confronted with two shitty options, they choose the less shitty one.

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Yes, the most shitty one would be to do nothing and prove to the world that they can attack us with no consequences. Kinda like what Carter did in 1979…[/quote]

Well the less shitty one would have been to fly in some Navy Seals and take Bin Laden out.

Unthinkable I know.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Pish posh.

If one of your family dies of cancer it might be a tragedy for you, but it hardly justifies the mobilizzatiuon of an army or such an abomination as the PATRIOT act, because in the grand scheme of things neither you nor your loved ones mean anything.

Now you may not like to hear it, but teh fact that it has to be pointed out to you is embarrasssing if you are older than say, 16?

If you feel like trivializing my personal life a little bit, my father died of a heart attack about 10 years ago.

War on CHDs anyone?

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You are literally retarded if you think that cardiovascular disease, slipping in the bathtub, and terrorist attacks are all analogous. Do you really need this explained to you? Maybe reading all that Chomsky has rotted your brain.

And yes, the PATRIOT Act was an abomination, and was passed because nobody read the fucking thing. That doesn’t mean that a country shouldn’t defend itself from further threats.

Good thing your dad wasn’t forced to choose between jumping out of a skyscraper or burning to death within it.

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Orion has literally ignored 3/4 of my posts and hasnt actually answered any of my very simple basic questions lol

Is that how it always is over in PWI?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Orion has literally ignored 3/4 of my posts and hasnt actually answered any of my very simple basic questions lol

Is that how it always is over in PWI?[/quote]

Between your two first names and your mustache-growing abilities, who can blame him for feeling intimidated?

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Hey!! Hey stay on topic !! /sarcasm

EDIT: If you missed it, the USOC is going to make a case for the girl to be able to lift in hijab as long as no competitive advantage is given.

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Stop trying to derail this mustache thread. Jeez, what a typical mustachaphobe Muslim move.