Muslim Seeks Conscientious Objection

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]weby wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

9/11 was an inside job, there is more evidence to prove that radical muslims didn’t do it than did[/quote]

More nut flakes on T-Nation, Sheesh.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/02/muslim-soldier-refuses-deploy-afghanistan/

“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

LOL

Yeah, how have things changed since you joined there bud? I think its far more cowardly an act to join and then refuse to be a soldier than to not join to begin with.

If he does get out of it, shouldn’t he have to pay back all the money spent on his training and even his salary, since he’s refusing to do his job?[/quote]

I bet if we were attacking Israel his ass would be front and center.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]weby wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

9/11 was an inside job, there is more evidence to prove that radical muslims didn’t do it than did[/quote]

More nut flakes on T-Nation, Sheesh.
[/quote]

Sounds quite reasonable to me, you know like washing your dick with sulfuric acid.

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he should definitely be kicked out of the military.
that said though - at least he is somewhat up front with this (although not completely honest as pat pointed out - if US had a confrontation with Israel he most likely won’t be complaining) - better this than that muslim azzhole who detonated a grenade in Iraq in his own camp.

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[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

Yep, because the guys flying the planes represented the beliefs and ideals of the average Muslim. I suppose by that logic all Catholics are paedophiles. If the priests are doing it, they all must be.

And to get back on point, the guy should never have signed up in the first place.

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[quote]weby wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

9/11 was an inside job, there is more evidence to prove that radical muslims didn’t do it than did[/quote]

This is such a horrible lie. Go away.

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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

Yep, because the guys flying the planes represented the beliefs and ideals of the average Muslim. I suppose by that logic all Catholics are paedophiles. If the priests are doing it, they all must be.

And to get back on point, the guy should never have signed up in the first place. [/quote]

Average Muslims are not true believers. Average Muslims are Muslim in name only.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

Yep, because the guys flying the planes represented the beliefs and ideals of the average Muslim. I suppose by that logic all Catholics are paedophiles. If the priests are doing it, they all must be.

And to get back on point, the guy should never have signed up in the first place. [/quote]

Average Muslims are not true believers. Average Muslims are Muslim in name only.[/quote]

I disagree. Most of my muslim mates would be ones I consider to be “average muslims”. They don’t drink, they go to mosque regularly, and follow the five pillars of Islam. I myself would fit your description of an average muslim but I don’t see myself as one, more a sub-par muslim ;). I would say that most if not all the muslims I know have a very low/negative view of America. Low/negative enough to blow stuff up or get violent? No, not at all.

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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
I would say that most if not all the muslims I know have a very low/negative view of America. Low/negative enough to blow stuff up or get violent? No, not at all. [/quote]

Low enough to actively or passively support the people who do blow things up or get violent?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
And yet, pretty regularly, there’s some Muslim trying “to blow stuff up or get violent.”[/quote]

Because there is a lot of support for these violent Muslims from the non-violent Muslims. Straight after 9/11/2001 there were a heap of people who passively supported them. “Well they shouldn’t be involved in Israel then” etc were common comments.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
“Islam is a peaceful religion, it’s not a religion of warfare,” Abdo said. “And it’s not a religion of terror. As a Muslim, we stand against injustice, we stand against discrimination, and I feel it’s my duty as an individual to do this.”

At least he knows the truth.[/quote]

I’m sure all those in the Twin Towers would agree.[/quote]

Yep, because the guys flying the planes represented the beliefs and ideals of the average Muslim. I suppose by that logic all Catholics are paedophiles. If the priests are doing it, they all must be.

And to get back on point, the guy should never have signed up in the first place. [/quote]

Average Muslims are not true believers. Average Muslims are Muslim in name only.[/quote]

I disagree. Most of my muslim mates would be ones I consider to be “average muslims”. They don’t drink, they go to mosque regularly, and follow the five pillars of Islam. I myself would fit your description of an average muslim but I don’t see myself as one, more a sub-par muslim ;). I would say that most if not all the muslims I know have a very low/negative view of America. Low/negative enough to blow stuff up or get violent? No, not at all. [/quote]

And yet, pretty regularly, there’s some Muslim trying “to blow stuff up or get violent.”[/quote]

True but they are still the minority and not the majority. It is wrong to judge everyone by the bad deeds of a few.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
And yet, pretty regularly, there’s some Muslim trying “to blow stuff up or get violent.”[/quote]

Because there is a lot of support for these violent Muslims from the non-violent Muslims. Straight after 9/11/2001 there were a heap of people who passively supported them. “Well they shouldn’t be involved in Israel then” etc were common comments.[/quote]

This is a good point and does, I think, basically sum up the attitude of most muslims. You asked in your post before this about active/passive support. I am sure that there are those in positions of power and influence who do activley support the acts of terrorists. These people are in the minority compared to those who passively support them. I am not 100% sure what you mean by “passive support” so I will respond according to what I think you mean.

I believe that most muslims are of the attitude that “evil begets evil” and that while there are many,many innocent victims of the attacks, America/the West/Capitalism (whichever or whoever is being blamed by said group) has brought these things on itself by it’s own actions.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

Of course, in principle I agree, but how do you define “a few?”

And in a world where it only takes a small number of actors to wreak devastating havoc, common sense demands a healthy dose of suspicion. [/quote]

I can’t define “a few” any better than saying they are the minority.

Irregardless of the numbers involved, these kinds of attacks are happening and will continue to happen for the forseeable future. To make them stop would take drastic (and unrealistic) measures from all sides involved, measures that none would willingly take or accept.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
But your point was that we shouldn’t “judge” Muslims based on them?

Is your answer, then, basically, “just live with it, but don’t think poorly of Islam?”[/quote]

It seems like it. “Minority” could be anywhere from <1% up to 49.9%.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
But your point was that we shouldn’t “judge” Muslims based on them?

Is your answer, then, basically, “just live with it, but don’t think poorly of Islam?”[/quote]

It seems like it. “Minority” could be anywhere from <1% up to 49.9%.[/quote]

Well you can’t honestly expect me to quote a figure can you? I grew up in an area where most of my friends were Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Turkish muslims. Most of them had anti American sentiments, none of them (that I know of) took part, or have taken part in terrorist activity. Of course this is purely what I know from my own personal experience and from living in London. I can’t comment on other countries with any authority.

And no, my answer is not to “just live with it”. Like I said, the measures needed to deal with the problem in a real and final way would never be undertaken by any of the parties involved. My original post was pretty vague but that was because I didn’t want to derail this thread anymore than it had been. It would need a huge change in American foreign policy (never going to happen), a willingnness for Islamic countries to keep their own houses in order (even less likely to happen), and unity between Islamic countries (an even more unlikely thing to happen).

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What I don’t get is why muslims with anti-american (or anti-western in general) sentiments move there in great numbers. I mean if you don’t like the country - why go there?

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[quote]ReignIB wrote:
What I don’t get is why muslims with anti-american (or anti-western in general) sentiments move there in great numbers. I mean if you don’t like the country - why go there?
[/quote]

The only reason I can think of is economics. They can make a load more cash for a lot less work. Sure some of them leave for more freedom but money is the biggest motive. Move abroad, get chashed up, and then retire back home and live like a king on what you have saved.