Ok, as not to be a total dick, I watched the video again. In the first part, there’s at least 8 shots and no one reacts, which is strange. But you are correct, in the wide shot, you can actually see 2 people being hit by sniper fire.
If Israel did this, it was a pussy thing to do. In your opinion does it justify blowing up busses full of civilians? If this is in fact what happened, how is one side more moral than the other if they both use the same tactics?
If this is in fact what happened, how is one side more moral than the other if they both use the same tactics?
One last question:
Who called the women whores? The snipers?[/quote]
I don’t know that it justifies anything, but it seems to be the only thing that the Palestinians can do to retaliate.
I don’t claim one side to be more moral than the next. My argument is that Americans don’t get the whole story. They don’t see a video like this. They don’t see the day-to-day horror that is the norm for the Palestinians. It’s portrayed as the Israelis are being picked on by the crazy, bloodthirsty Palestinians.
The truth is, the Palestinians are being oppressed by the Israelis, not the other way around.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
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Independent news sources don’t have to worry about upsetting the interests of their advertisers because they don’t have any. …quote]
These “news sources” are usually created to push political opinions.
They are usually less reliable and honest than crappy old CNN and FoxNews.
Of course you seem to seek out the ones that agree with your viewpoint and pretend that they are factually while everyone else is controlled by the jews.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Dustin wrote:
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Independent news sources don’t have to worry about upsetting the interests of their advertisers because they don’t have any. …quote]
These “news sources” are usually created to push political opinions.
They are usually less reliable and honest than crappy old CNN and FoxNews.
Of course you seem to seek out the ones that agree with your viewpoint and pretend that they are factually while everyone else is controlled by the jews.[/quote]
What? You’re full of it,Zap…its controlled by The Architect and spread through the Matrix…be careful…everything is not what it appears to be. :\
Footage of Israeli victims “defending themselves” using American weapons.
More footage of what the blood-thirsty Israelis do when someone stands up to them.
I apologize for not feeling an ounce of sympathy for the poor, defenseless, psychotic Israelis.
Dustin
Are you serious? Don’t follow Lixy’s example of bias,please! Its sad that innocent lives are lost…but how is that in your eyes only innocent Muslim and Arab lives have been lost and no innocent Israeli lives? That just shows ignorance on your part. Why does Israel even have to take the stance it has against its neighbors? I know its holy land,but why are Muslims and Arabs wasting energy obsessing over such a small land when they already occupy so much? Is greed,obsession a sin in Islam?? I’m just curious.
Hmmm…you’re surrounded by neighbors whom are basically trying to make you disappear since the day you first existed…do you sit there and take it in the ass? You’re corned by a group of guys who not just want to rough you up,but kill your ass…are you gonna throw the first strike to give yourself a chance…or are you just gonna offer to suck their dicks and die anyways? [/quote]
Innocent Israeli lives don’t matter. After all they are just a bunch of Jews. Probably worth 2/5ths of an arab life.
Footage of Israeli victims “defending themselves” using American weapons.
More footage of what the blood-thirsty Israelis do when someone stands up to them.
I apologize for not feeling an ounce of sympathy for the poor, defenseless, psychotic Israelis.
Dustin
Are you serious? Don’t follow Lixy’s example of bias,please! Its sad that innocent lives are lost…but how is that in your eyes only innocent Muslim and Arab lives have been lost and no innocent Israeli lives? That just shows ignorance on your part. Why does Israel even have to take the stance it has against its neighbors? I know its holy land,but why are Muslims and Arabs wasting energy obsessing over such a small land when they already occupy so much? Is greed,obsession a sin in Islam?? I’m just curious.
Hmmm…you’re surrounded by neighbors whom are basically trying to make you disappear since the day you first existed…do you sit there and take it in the ass? You’re corned by a group of guys who not just want to rough you up,but kill your ass…are you gonna throw the first strike to give yourself a chance…or are you just gonna offer to suck their dicks and die anyways?
Innocent Israeli lives don’t matter. After all they are just a bunch of Jews. Probably worth 2/5ths of an arab life.[/quote]
My take is, no one will ever take the “Palestinian as victims” case serious while they blow the hell out of busses full of Jews. Anyone who does something like this is not a victim.
In other words, you get mugged in the park by a black man for example. Then you get angry and shoot the first black man you happen to see. Should I feel sorry that you got mugged?
These “news sources” are usually created to push political opinions.
They are usually less reliable and honest than crappy old CNN and FoxNews.
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Once again, anything outside the mainstream are lies or propaganda.
The U.S. government and corporate interests have a long history of using the mass media for propaganda purposes. Why people still take the MSM as gospel is beyond me.
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Of course you seem to seek out the ones that agree with your viewpoint and pretend that they are factually while everyone else is controlled by the jews.[/quote]
Of course Zap, it’s much easier to turn on the TV and have the so-called news framed and put in to context for you. You don’t have to do any thinking or reading.
And to deny the influence Jews have in the media, despite all the evidence to the contrary, is just being foolish.
Innocent Israeli lives don’t matter. After all they are just a bunch of Jews. Probably worth 2/5ths of an arab life.[/quote]
No one said that. If you’ll take 5 seconds go read my posts on this page you’ll see that I didn’t.
Why does criticism of Israel equal Anti-Semitism? Why is Israel off limits when it comes to criticism?
You’re last sentence is interesting. Arabs have asked the same question with regards to themselves. I can’t say that I blame them for asking it considering the U.S’s foreign policy in the ME since WWII.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
You’re last sentence is interesting. Arabs have asked the same question with regards to themselves. I can’t say that I blame them for asking it considering the U.S’s foreign policy in the ME since WWII.
Dustin[/quote]
Which policy is that? Flood the region with trillions of dollars?
Trust me, I am sorry we did that.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
My take is, no one will ever take the “Palestinian as victims” case serious while they blow the hell out of busses full of Jews.[/quote]
Take a peek at UN resolutions from last century. A heck of a lot of people are taking the case seriously.
What you probably meant to say is that the US government will always be biased towards the issue.
No, you shouldn’t. But your analogy couldn’t be any weaker.
If you get mugged, you go to the police and they try to find your assailant. In the case of the Palestinians, we have a heavily armed aggressor, and the only sheriff in town is crooked. Palestinians took the matter into their own hands, and things got completely out of control.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Palestinians took the matter into their own hands, and things got completely out of control.[/quote]
Which is the wrong thing if they want to ever get their own country. They should be more concerned with creating a COUNTRY than with letting things get “completely out of control.”
You don’t think that the US wanted to work with Arafat, with Abbas? It’s too bad Arafat was more interested in stuffing his own pockets. He had a golden opportunity and he blew it. Also Israel demanding that Arafat destroy Hamas. He clearly could not do it, and looking at the current situation of a civil war between Hamas and Fatah, he was not lying.
So what should we do? Embrace Hamas, the winners of the election, who want to drive Israel into the sea more than they want to form a State?
